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I Work For Food
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Sherman, TX | isohunt... Wow...torrent sites don't even recognize Oklahoma as a state...I can get around and download just fine @ isohunt...  | |
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join:2003-10-21
Edmonton, AB
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| Re: isohunt... I'm confused about the demonoid thing, because there was a court ruling a few years ago that said it was ok to share files via p2p for music. According to demoid Canadians are blocked because of notice from the CRIA (which is our version of the RIAA). However, the CRIA would only be defending music which isn't illegal here? I'm thinking Demonoid got the letter and didn't want to deal with it, but I don't think the CRIA has a leg to stand on. | |
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Guelph, ON | Re: isohunt... In Canada it is legal to download not upload. BitTorrent by its nature is uploading content which is illegal. | |
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join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA
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| Re: isohunt... said by boltz  :In Canada it is legal to download not upload. BitTorrent by its nature is uploading content which is illegal. If what you say was true then demonoid wouldn't have blocked canadian user. I'm not a fan of demonoid so this doesn't concern but just thought I point out your flaw or error. | |
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lucky644
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| said by zod5000 :I'm confused about the demonoid thing, because there was a court ruling a few years ago that said it was ok to share files via p2p for music. According to demoid Canadians are blocked because of notice from the CRIA (which is our version of the RIAA). However, the CRIA would only be defending music which isn't illegal here? I'm thinking Demonoid got the letter and didn't want to deal with it, but I don't think the CRIA has a leg to stand on. The CRIA is only 'represents' the RIAA in america. They're not a Canadian RIAA. And they don't have a leg to stand on, Demonoid just panicked. | |
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KrK
Heavy Artillery For The Little Guy
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Tulsa, OK | I think most the USA doesn't recognize Oklahoma as a State, either...  | |
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techwench
I Work For Food
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Sherman, TX
| Re: isohunt... said by KrK :I think most the USA doesn't recognize Oklahoma as a State, either... EXACTLY!  | |
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hopeflicker
Capitalism breeds greed
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Long Beach, CA | OHHH MY!!! Please dont block my pRon  | |
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S_engineer
join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL | Re: OHHH MY!!! "Even the local porn industry is working on legal action to prevent p2p piracy."
Are they paying in trade?
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LiberalKing
Intocable
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Bronx, NY | FileSwapping will forever be with us. 65 millions p2p(ers) and growing. | |
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join:2001-02-22
Kennesaw, GA | Re: FileSwapping will forever be with us. said by LiberalKing :65 millions p2p(ers) and shrinking. fixed | |
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| fiberguy
My views are my own.
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| Re: Socks Proxy said by Madcap :It's clear they don't care about legal torrent uses (*nix distros, World of Warcraft's patching system, etc.) Don't need P2P for business use. Businesses can flip their bill themselves.. it's why they collect a monthly fee from their users after all. Spend it where they should.. on infrustructure. Why doesn't Microsoft just sent out service packs on P2P then?
If people would stop abusing the part of torrent which ISN'T LEGAL, then maybe there would be no need to crack down on it. So far, this is just an excuse, and a bad one at that. You have a right to be on the street at night too - it's legal. HOWEVER, in some areas, they will crack down on people, ALL PEOPLE, because of the prostitution and drug activity that runs amok. This is no different. Until it's cleaned up and people knock it off, then they will continue to crack down.
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Rails Please
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join:2002-09-25
Santa Monica, CA
| Can't stop wont stop this form of filesharing might be halted, but with the new popularity of streaming everything, the only thing left to be shared is software. Surely there will be a new way to do this shortly after torrents are stopped.
Go DIVX
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moschops
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join:2003-12-20
Oakland, CA | Hey network, leave my peers alone That's going to really upset all the legitimate users of p2p - like Vuze, open source distribution, Joost etc. | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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| Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone said by moschops :That's going to really upset all the legitimate users of p2p - like Vuze, open source distribution, Joost etc. No, it only affects the individual torrent trackers who choose to block, and theres tons of em (that dont.)
I wonder how much mpaa/riaa is paying those people to do this.
I highly doubt they are doing this out of the kindness of thier hearts.
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | i see a come back of usenet and irc if the keeps up | |
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join:2004-08-03
Olathe, KS
| Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone said by elios :i see a come back of usenet and irc if the keeps up Sadly enough, I can see the same happening also. Mainly towards usenet, IRC possibly, but IRC is rather old on its life span... | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone That sounds funny if you know how old Usenet is... | |
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| | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| It doesn't matter where it goes.. if crimes are being committed, they will be sought after and stopped. The only way to stop legal content owners from going after people is to KNOCK IT OFF.
People act as if as long as there is a delivery vehicle that it's simple o.k. to use it for what ever - IT'S NOT!
The people that are getting popped for illegal fire sharing know they are doing something wrong. It's in the news, it's all over the same internet they are doing it, and if they visit this site, they know it's not right. Yet, people are going to continue to be smug about it.
That girl in Minnesota that's GOING to pay the $220K WILL pay it.. it WON'T be discharged and on $34K a year, it looks like she'll be in debt to them the rest of her life - or she can move to Canada.
Continue to push the envelope and there will be more of these law suits. Take it elsewhere and it will follow. Use the software and technology for the right reasons and not illegal ones and there won't be a crack down.
Sure, there are people that are using it for legal purposes - but you'd be a fool to think there isn't a LARGE, VERY LARGE portion of people that think sitting behind their computer won't get caught.
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Winston Salem, NC | Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone She's never going to pay that judgment.
Her wages are too low to be garnished.
RIAA paid a lot for a moral victory. | |
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My views are my own.
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| Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone This judgment is non-dischargable.
My own attorney, who happens to be in the same state as this case and happens to know it very well, and also knows the judge in this case, was talking to me about this one yesterday. He stated that this is an order that will be paid, one way or another.
Now that they have the judgment, will they get it all? They CAN! It can take them many years to get it, OR, since they have her now, they can work on something, between themselves, that is more reasonable. But, the fact remains, if they wanted to go after her - they will get it, slowly but surely.
And, if they wanted to garnish her check, they are welcome to 25% of it. At $36,000 per year, there is plenty of money in there for her to give up. It may take her 25 years, but if they really want it, they can have it. If she comes into any inheritance, lottery winnings, real estate, stocks, pay raises.. the RIAA owns her at this point.
She should just make sure she has no government garnishments in the future because ON TOP of they 25% that she will lose, the government can come after an additional 25% of her pay as well.
What you don't understand, probably, is that bad things happen to people like this. It's far more than a moral victory. It should be sending a loud message that file sharing is against the law and they want it stopped. For sharing that music, her life is ruined. They are SURELY going to make an example out of her.
What I HOPE *doesn't* happen, in this case, is that people come to her aid and donate and pay the fines and attorney costs. THAT will also surely send a message to the **AA that they'll get their money one way or another as well.
Either way, the **AA wins.
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elios
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Springfield, MO | Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone no she wont pay it others will help her trust me | |
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My views are my own.
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| Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone said by elios :no she wont pay it others will help her trust me I know... not sure that's a good thing either. That will very likely get publicity which goes straight to the RIAA. So, instead of one person paying the fine, they know they can get these large judgments and know that "the people" will bail the defendants out.
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Collegeville, PA
| said by fiberguy :This judgment is non-dischargable. No, it isn't. Criminal fines are nondischargable. Restitution is nondischargable. Civil judgements generally aren't. I imagine if she declares bankruptcy, the RIAA will attempt to contest it, but that's just their terrorism by litigation. | |
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My views are my own.
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Collegeville, PA | Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone 11 USC 523. Contains a long list of debts not dischargable in bankruptcy. Statutory damages for copyright violation not among them. | |
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spamd
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Rockford, IL
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| I think usenet is too difficult for the average joe user.
If it was easier to use then usenet would be more popular than it is today.
But lets face it. If usenet were as easy as p2p, then corp/gov America would surely find a way to shut it down or limit it just like p2p.
In the mean time I'll just enjoy my Giganews for now. (knock on wood).
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join:2004-01-30
Portland, OR
| said by elios :i see a come back of usenet and irc if the keeps up They never left.. IRC/usenet are just below the radar as they're not as easy as point and click (for the most part).
But yeah, I'm sure once bitt starts to get hit really hard, we may see people move to these.
IRC would be a battle and a half. Servers are all over the world... | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
1 edit | Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone IRC is not what it was way back be for Bittorrent and the other user frendly file sharing stuff
and DCC is point to point hard to block really and and be set to use any port you want | |
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join:2005-07-08
K2P OW2
| Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone hey buddy,
Guess what... these tards want to only sell CD's and no online content.
Until the riaa open up their catalogues and charge per use they are the ones who are in the wrong and you'll never convince most of the people here otherwise.
Your tirade about distribution misses this point entirely.
This is a fight for channels of distribution with corporate assholes who want to turn the net into their own money tree.
Wake up before it's too late. | |
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My views are my own.
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join:2005-05-20
| Re: Hey network, leave my peers alone So, because the people that control the content you seek don't seek to do business the way YOU want to, they are wrong?
If you ran your own business and your model made your money the way you set it up, and a few people came along and wanted to chip away at your product like, would you be in the wrong too?
WHO EXACTLY are the parents teaching people today that if you stomp your feet hard enough and throw a temper tantrum that you are going to get it your way.. or that you are entitled to see that everyone follows YOUR point of view?
Too many people sit inside their own boxes and can't see that there is more than one way to see things and people aren't always going to come to an agreement. It SURELY doesn't mean the other guy is "wrong"...
The beauty is that around here, there is no such thing as convincing. You can't convince the stubborn and most people here are stubborn.
In the case of the copyright, distribution, and so on, there IS a right and a wrong. In this case, you are the one who is wrong. You're talking about the fact that there is a business model you don't like so you are justifying the illegal use of a delivery system for in which it was never intended in the first place.
Just because there is FedEx, does that mean I can ship fireworks through it?
The RIAA doesn't have to "open their catalogs and charge per use".. where did you ever come off with that notion? I know - it's because *you said so*... that doesn't make it right.. that's your opinion. Until the day comes where you separate fiction from reality, you're always going to be at war with these "assholes" who simply want to turn the net into their own money tree.... just like everyone else. I guess everyone that uses the net to make money are assholes all the way from grandma selling her collectibles to those that day trade.
Got a news flash.. the net is many things.. and making money IS one of them. Ask anyone who sells on eBay, or creates and sells their own software only online.. or those that run member's only sites and charge for it.
The only one who needs to wake up are those with views such as your own.
Who put you in charge of what the internet is and isn't for anyway? And who put you in charge of how the RIAA is going to run their business.
It's typical of liberals to think they can bully anyone to change... people here ALL know how to get an industry to conform to a new way.. speak with your wallet. However, you're not going to get what you want until enough people stop patronizing the particular system or industry.. MANY people have to speak with their wallets first.. yelling and demanding ISN'T going to work. The excuse of "there are not other choices" is false.. there is another choice, it's called "DO WITH OUT".. stop giving them money and when they hurt, they will find out why - it's been that way for many years now. People simply don't want to do with out.. they just want... so where is the greed again? Greed is the desire to have all... it works both ways and just doesn't come from evil corporations. Again, convincing people HERE of that will never happen because MOST people can only see one side,.. theirs.
But,.. these "tards" just want to sell CDs huh? not online content? You must be blind then... the reality is they just don't want to compete with their own product being distributed for free.. what's so hard to figure that out? The "tards" in this case are the ones that continue to break the law and look smug face into the camera when they get popped after several warnings to stop doing it with a $224K judgment.. THOSE are the "tards"...
To be honest, I can't wait until a BBR user is here telling their story about THEIR judgment too. Right or wrong in what ever you feel, we are a nation of laws and when you don't respect those laws, you're a criminal. Don't like the laws? Change them... break them.. pay the price.
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@mountaincable.net | Just another way to halt the evolution of the inet. Piracy will always be around. ISP's like piracy since it gets them subscribers.. What they don't like is upgrading.. Having Bit caps and throttling various software programs helps them in reaching this goal. | |
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join:2001-02-22
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| Re: Just another way to halt the evolution of the inet. said by asdfasd :
Piracy will not be around forever. ISP's hates piracy since it loses them subscribers.. What they don't like is upgrading.. Having Bit caps and throttling various software programs helps them in stopping piracy.
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join:2001-02-26
antarctica
| Re: Just another way to halt the evolution of the inet. said by superht1 :I think I'm clever because I change peoples quotes around and then tell them I fixed them. Also I do this twice in the same thread and expect people to still find it amusing. fixed | |
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peerimpact
join:2005-11-07
Londonderry, VT
| Distributed Bittorent clients get around the need for sites Tribber is a Social Open source distributed bittorent cleint that has a built in tracker and recommendations eso it no longer needs sites to work out what is available ,it indexes what is on other users computers and they are building aloritms and hashing techniques to build trust into the system .Any Tribler style network will be very hard for the RIAA and MPAA to shut down .
Tribler is from the University of Delft in the Netherlands and some researchers from Harvard are also working on it so its not some fly by night project.
»https://www.tribler.org/
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Transmaster
Don't Blame Me I Voted For Bill and Opus
join:2001-06-20
Cheyenne, WY
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| There is light at the end of the tunnel There is light at the end of the tunnel. Check out the two links below The Group Radiohead in England which is one of their top acts released their 7 album on line for whatever you think it is worth with only a 45 pence processing fee for using
a credit card. they recognize most of their income is from live
performances and when they heard what even the lower level of recording executive get paid while the band they leech off of starve.
»www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.j···c107.xml
»www.telegraph.co.uk/money/main.j···i107.xml
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| You can't fix stoopid can you! Hey people wake up if we don't start giving a S^it about net neutrality our freedom to download legally and illegally may all someday be controlled by some corporation. We will all be standing around with our thumbs up our noses remembering the good ol days when we argued about the morality of file sharing.
Guess they should outlaw libraries too then huh! There I can borrow and take home an artists entire library and I don't have to worry about getting sued. In the 80's tape trading proliferated and bands like Metallica came to be. Seems the industry lost its roots. The thing that makes the industry viable is people enjoying music together and any time people are together in any way even on line they share things.
Maybe the RIAA will sue the library system now net neutrality will be lost and we will all be stuck with an internet that looks something like xbox live completely limited and controlled by its provider. | |
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