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For those that find $150, 50Mbps a little hard to swallow...
(old news - 12:36PM Wednesday Oct 08 2008)
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Comcast says they'll have 20% of their markets upgraded with faster DOCSIS 3.0 50Mbps speeds by the end of the year, and all customers will be upgraded by the end of 2010. Still, the only market deployed so far is Minneapolis/St. Paul -- where users can buy a 50Mbps downstream 5Mbps upstream connection for $150 per month. Additional launch markets should be coming very soon -- users have seen testing in New England at night, and Comcast techs in several markets tell me their markets are also running the new technology through its paces.

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One tech tells me Comcast may be offering another new tier for those who find the $150 price point a little extreme. "Comcast MAY be launching DOCSIS 3.0 in Michigan region, with a 22/5 tier, along with the 50/5," says a Comcast insider. Unfortunately he's unable to offer a timeline, or an estimated price tag for the new tier. He did note that the faster 50Mbps tier will remain $150.

It's not clear whether this 22Mbps tier would replace their existing 16Mbps "Blast!" tier, or simply act as another option aimed at FiOS (and customers eager for faster upstream speeds). The tier would of course compete with Verizon's 20Mbps/5Mbps FiOS offering, which costs $52.99/month when bundled with phone service and $57.99/month solo. Verizon's 50Mbps/20Mbps tier is $139.95/month with phone service and $144.95/month without.

Either way, it wouldn't be particularly surprising to see Comcast completely revamp their tiers and pricing once we see some broader launches of DOCSIS 3.0 technology. Insiders tell me at the moment, FiOS markets are upgrade priorities, while Comcast feels confident their existing 16Mbps Blast! tier can more than compete with AT&T U-Verse (which offers 10Mbps). Comcast customers: what price would be nice for a 22Mbps/5Mbps tier?

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Rob
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Price..

I'd estimate that a reasonable price for 22Mbps/5Mbps, initially, be between $70-$85/mo.

K3

join:2008-05-06
Kankakee, IL

Re: Price..

Initially..I paid $84.95/month when I had Blast, I would say the $100/month for 22/5 is reasonable for the speed and I would pay it since the only other competition in my area is 6/1 at&t dsl. Bring it on, I can't wait!

Rob
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Re: Price..

said by K3 See Profile :

Initially..I paid $84.95/month when I had Blast, I would say the $100/month for 22/5 is reasonable for the speed and I would pay it since the only other competition in my area is 6/1 at&t dsl. Bring it on, I can't wait!
Was $84.95 without cable TV? I figure since Blast! (16/2) is $59.95 in most markets, then 22/5 would fit nicely in the $70-$85 range, as the 6/2 is $42.95. These prices are with cable TV..

K3

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Re: Price..

Yes it was without cable tv, and no competition in my area like I said, that is the reason for the higher prices. I guess I should rephrase and say that $100 is reasonable in my market, $70-85 is reasonable for yours. Even with cable tv, in my area,the price was $67.95/month for 16/2 Blast

Rob
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Re: Price..

said by K3 See Profile :

Yes it was without cable tv, and no competition in my area like I said, that is the reason for the higher prices. I guess I should rephrase and say that $100 is reasonable in my market, $70-85 is reasonable for yours.
Anything is reasonable! My only alternative is 1.5/256 from AT&T.

K3

join:2008-05-06
Kankakee, IL

Re: Price..

So like me comcast is the ony way.

S_engineer

join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
·Comcast

Re: Price..

this is a smart move. With incremental tiers, they can figure out how much people are willing to pay. They then can figure a truer deployment schedule (fiscally speaking) for DOCSIS 3.
Once they figure what it will cost them, they then can formulate the additional "DOCSIS 3 deployment recovery fee" for their customers!
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scoopy03

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if prices are around $100 without cable tv thats really not appealing to people who can get 20/5 from Verizon for around 49.95-54.95.....for a whole 2mb more its really not worth the extra maybe 25-40 dollars more let alone the price for cable tv
majortom1029

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IF cablevision can offer 30/5 for $60 a month why cant comcast?

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Re: Price..

said by majortom1029 See Profile :

IF cablevision can offer 30/5 for $60 a month why cant comcast?
Comcast isn't in any of Cablevisions footprints.

Rob
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said by majortom1029 See Profile :

IF cablevision can offer 30/5 for $60 a month why cant comcast?
They can, but why should they?

m3rl1n

@compuware.com

said by majortom1029 See Profile :

IF cablevision can offer 30/5 for $60 a month why cant comcast?
They could if they wanted to, but they will rob you of every last penny you are willing to cough up, especially if there is no competition in a market.

dvd536
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said by Rob See Profile :

I'd estimate that a reasonable price for 22Mbps/5Mbps, initially, be between $70-$85/mo.
We *are* talking about comcast.
id say closer to $99/mo
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xmas7717

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said by Rob See Profile :

I'd estimate that a reasonable price for 22Mbps/5Mbps, initially, be between $70-$85/mo.
You're crazy if u think thats a reasonable price

for me it would be like 29.95 to 39.95
thats reasonable
you pay anything???

Rob
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Re: Price..

said by xmas7717 See Profile :

said by Rob See Profile :

I'd estimate that a reasonable price for 22Mbps/5Mbps, initially, be between $70-$85/mo.
You're crazy if u think thats a reasonable price

for me it would be like 29.95 to 39.95
thats reasonable
you pay anything???
Look up the word reasonable, and get back to me.

Charles444

@insightbb.com
I pay 40.00 for 20/1.5 no bundle. 20 down is usually like 36 down

Goober

join:2000-12-17
Naperville, IL

Cut it Out

All I can say is that Comcast should cut it out.

My provider, WOW, is having a hard time keeping up and I continually end up suffering from HSI envy every time Comcast ups their speeds.

S_engineer

join:2007-05-16
Chicago, IL
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Re: Cut it Out

said by Goober See Profile :

All I can say is that Comcast should cut it out.

My provider, WOW, is having a hard time keeping up and I continually end up suffering from HSI envy every time Comcast ups their speeds.
Yes but we were quite envious of the NebuAd that WOW onflicted on you

You can't get Comcrap in Naperville? I know it's at least to Lisle.

Goober

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Re: Cut it Out

No, Comcast has been available for many years now. It's just that I prefer WOW for cost reasons mainly. I have bounced back and forth a few times though, always negotiating the better deal.
RadioDoc
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Be glad you live in Naperville and have at least some choice in providers. Over on this side of the Tri-State Comcast can't seem to muster more than 6 and mostly 4 megs. The Comcasst hare has no hind legs, while the Slowskys turtle is damn fast by comparison.
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Goober

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Re: Cut it Out

Really?

Naperville was lucky in the sense that Americast (WOW) came along and installed all new equipment. The old and existing Jones system was bought up by Comcast and had to be completely upgraded. So, Naperville has two relatively newer systems. It's been a long time now, but still better than other communities from what you say and what I've heard.

Weren't you in Downers Grove at some point? I think I remember that from an old sig.
RadioDoc
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Re: Cut it Out

I lived in Downers until 1993. Been in Western Springs since. The cable system here is absolutely horrid. They don't even advertise more than six megs and the two people I know who tried it never got past 4. My DSL may be pokey by some standards, but it's always working and its always 6016/768 netting 5100/650.

Recently, Comcast pulled all of the digital cable, Internet and phone offerings for my area off the website. According to them they no longer do digital cable, HSI or phone:


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Goober

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Re: Cut it Out

I can't believe Comcast did that! So they've basically given up on your city. What a crock.

It's got to be the size of the city that's making Comcast ignore you. WS has a wealthier demographic than Naperville, yet Comcast is not upgrading your systems. I'd be ticked.

S_engineer

join:2007-05-16
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Yeah, but you have to be within reach for the turtles. COs are few and far between. On the southwest side of Chicago, theres only WOW and Comcrap, both of whom are complacent in the 6 meg tier, which is additionally cut once the teenagers get home.
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NOZIREV

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Re: Cut it Out

You are so far from the truth its not even funny but hey your a cable hater and a wannabe engineer
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cypherstream
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DOCSIC 3.0 eMTA

Do they have DOCSIS 3.0 eMTA modems yet? I wouldn't want to split my line yet again to have my data modem separate from my voice modem. You can only get 4 or 5 splits on our system before running into harry levels.

I don't expect DOCSIS 3.0 any time soon either. Our 750 MHz system is all used up.

Rob
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Re: DOCSIC 3.0 eMTA

said by cypherstream See Profile :

Do they have DOCSIS 3.0 eMTA modems yet? I wouldn't want to split my line yet again to have my data modem separate from my voice modem. You can only get 4 or 5 splits on our system before running into harry levels.

I don't expect DOCSIS 3.0 any time soon either. Our 750 MHz system is all used up.
Yep, they do. The Arris TM702.

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Re: DOCSIC 3.0 eMTA

You could always add a Directional Coupler instead of a splitter, which would yield a 4, 6, 9, or 12 dB loss on your tap, or modem, leg and only 1 dB loss on the pass through to your splitter cascade. That is if you ever got a Docsis 3 modem and needed a seperate MTA.
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herdfan
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Getting it down now.

I'm getting the 22 down, but only 2 up. Had 3 up last week:


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voipdabbler

join:2006-04-27
Kalispell, MT

They'll need to lower the price or have no business.

Retailers and service providers who are selling non-essential goods and/or services need to realize that if they're going to survive the recession they need to keep their prices reasonable. Consumers are stretched thin now with discretionary income falling. Many are barely able to cover their essential bills (rent/mortgage, food, energy). As the jobless rate increases along with inflation, that number will grow significantly. Expect Russia and OPEC to attempt to manipulate the oil market to get the price of crude back up, especially as the dollar continues its slide. If it comes down to cable and broadband Internet or food/shelter/energy, guess what consumers will drop. Duh, if the recession lasts 2 years, as some economists are predicting, then I wouldn't be surprised to see Comcast and TW losing significant subscriber numbers, especially since they're mainly in urban/suburban markets where people have ready access to free, regular broadcast signals generated by their local TV stations. The winners in broadband during tough economic times, at least among the young, maybe cellular carriers, if they don't get too greedy. However, if they implement low data caps and keep raising their fees, then who knows.

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captblaze

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Pontiac, MI

possible speed tiers for docsis 3 in MI

i would be willing to pay $70-75 a month for 22/5, but at the same time i would like to see the bandwidth cap increased to 500 GB or even eliminated.
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Corydon
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Re: possible speed tiers for docsis 3 in MI

This is an excellent point...I wonder if Karl can work some of those secret contacts he has to find out if Comcast will raise (or eliminate) the 250 GB cap for customers on the premium DOCSIS 3.0 tiers. While I'm willing to accept a 250 GB cap on my 6 Mbps service, I'd be a lot less willing to swallow it if I were paying $150 a month.
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nitzan
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Re: possible speed tiers for docsis 3 in MI

Third that. I'd upgrade to a higher tier if it meant I don't have to worry about caps - but it's absolutely pointless to upgrade to a faster speed if you can't actually use it.

dadkins
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Why DOCSIS 3?

Current DOCSIS 2 plants can achieve those speeds.

If PowerBoost is allowing *us* to see 30-35 down and ~7000kbps up, sustainable 20/5 is doable.

DOCSIS 2 is good for 38/27... right?
Seeing as some of us are already at 16/2 for $52.95, I don't see 22/5 for ~$75-$100 as an item that is very alluring.

Of course, YMMV.

$42.95 gets you 6/1.
$52.95 gets(some) 16/2
$62.95 for 22/5 sounds doable... maybe?
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majortom1029

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Lindenhurst, NY

Re: Why DOCSIS 3?

her ein cablevision land we have a docsis 2 30/5 package for $60 a month so comcast should be able to do the same exact thing at the same price.

dadkins
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Re: Why DOCSIS 3?

Damn Right!
And on existing CPE.

DaSneaky1D
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The Lou

Re: Why DOCSIS 3?

*cough* DOCSIS 3 provides better network management *cough*

dadkins
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Re: Why DOCSIS 3?

*cough* only one channel is required for those speeds - with existing CPE = less overhead *cough*
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FIB3RTECH

@comcast.net

said by majortom1029 See Profile :

her ein cablevision land we have a docsis 2 30/5 package for $60 a month so comcast should be able to do the same exact thing at the same price.

Without DOCSIS3 they would have to narrowcast more downstreams QAMS to get those speeds. Which could mean adding nodes in the field to reduce number of customers per nodes.

DOCSIS 3 instead of 1QAM they can use up to 4 to a single node, that would eliminate the need to add nodes.
Chaldo

join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI

Happy

I live in MI and are upload speeds suck where I am (Detroit Market) i can only get around 1.5 upload
Seeky

join:2001-06-10
Chicago, IL

Speed vs. Cap

Off topic.. will this 22Mbps still with 250GB cap per mouth?

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mustang46

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Roseville, MI


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Is Comcast Cooking Up a 22Mbps/5Mbps Tier?

Well I'm in Michigan (Detroit market), they have been doing something here. I don't know if it's reg maintenance or what, but my IP has changed twice and I'm getting 1 hour leases for the past couple of days. My speeds or signals haven't changed, but I did notice it seems more consistent.
If they do implement 22/5 I might try it if the price is reasonable. I think it should be only $10 more then blast, but hey this is comcast.
Also, I will lower my TV from premier to classic. Can't afford the price increases for TV anyway.
iampedro

join:2005-02-12
Houston, TX

Re: Is Comcast Cooking Up a 22Mbps/5Mbps Tier?

This would be smart b/c it would put competition against all other broadband company's in the US.
iansltx

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Here, fastest Qwest offers is 5/896 (really more like 4.35/760). In Denver, the fastest they offer is 20 Mbit down for $100. So I'll bet that around here that's the price for 22/5 if it ever comes out. No Verizon, no FiOS.

What they'll probably have to do is price the service at around $58 per month without TV. So, about the same price as Blast. That is, in areas where there's FiOS. Everywhere else, probably much more expensive

Honestly, there's no competition in most areas for anything faster than 16/2. So except for FiOS they probably will price the service out of the market ($90-$100 for 22/5, $150 for 50/5). Geesh.
quintin3265

join:2008-06-07
State College, PA
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Depends on cap

The amount I'd be willing to pay depends on whether the total cap for the month will still be set at 250GB or not. I don't have Blast! because it would just make me get to the 250GB more quickly.

If they increased both the speeds and the cap, or even just the cap, I'd gladly pay more. But if they just increase the speeds, I'm not interested regardless of the price.

K3

join:2008-05-06
Kankakee, IL
·Comcast

Re: Depends on cap

its not hard to stay within the cap with blast, I had it for 9 months and never even came close, you just get the file you want faster, also the cap is not concrete, alot of people are scared shi**less about the cap cause they think if they hit it they will be banned, but that is not the case, you have to still be in the top 1% of users AND be over 250GB to get banned, if your not in the top 1% and have downloaded/uploaded more than 250GB, you have nothing to worry about

sansri88
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What they should really do

Is make Blast! 16/2 the standard Performance tier and make 22/5 Blast! and keep the 50/5 or whatever that premium tier is where it is now.

dadkins
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Re: What they should really do

said by sansri88 See Profile :

Is make Blast! 16/2 the standard Performance tier and make 22/5 Blast! and keep the 50/5 or whatever that premium tier is where it is now.
Yes!
Completely doable on current DOCSIS 2 hardware.

Let DOCSIS 3 and channel bonding handle the speeds not attainable with a single channel.
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said by sansri88 See Profile :

Is make Blast! 16/2 the standard Performance tier and make 22/5 Blast! and keep the 50/5 or whatever that premium tier is where it is now.
I agree with that totally. And as for the 6/1 tier that is now, that could be used to replace the 4/384 or whatever tier gets handed out when you sub to net only.

anon219

@comcast.net

Little lost here..Must be the only one.

What the hell is the point in keep getting faster speeds if Comcast throttles it and CAPS it?

I would rather have a slower connection than Comcast and have no cap/throttling, but that's just me I guess..
Samwoo

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Re: Little lost here..Must be the only one.

So you can get files faster.
AVonGauss
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Tiers, Smears....

What I would like to see is a customize your Internet experience option, for example, the order page might have the following options:

A) Basic Light Use

6 Mbps Down / 1 Mbps Up

B) Multiple User Househould

8 Mbps Down / 2 Mbps Up

C) Customized Experience

Download Speed: [Drop-down: 6 Mbps to 50 Mbps]
Upload Speed: [Drop-down: 1 Mbps to 20 Mbps]

Technology wise, it would be pretty simple to do, especially with a cable system.

chicago

@northwestern.edu

comcast

I want my 50mbps in Chicago now and I'll pay the MPLS prices for it.

mike12806
Premium
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Milton, MA

Get over it already...

How about one comcast thread where NO ONE talks about caps or throttling???

Possible....yes...probable....not likely.

Cjaiceman
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Would be happy to see this

I would love to see Comcast replace the 16/2 tier with a 22/5. I have the 16/2 business plan and would jump to the 22/5 as soon as its offered. Its not so much the download that has me sold, as the 16Mbps down is fast enough 95% of the time. Its the upload that sold me on the business plan (this was before the caps and the upgrade to 2Mbps on the 8Mbps plan). I like not having caps as I do about 400GB a month, so I will stay on the business plan, but a jump to 22/5 would make me even more happy with my setup.

A 22/5 with no caps and exchange server...... mmmmmmmm.....
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Re: Would be happy to see this

said by Cjaiceman See Profile :

A 22/5 with no caps and exchange server...... mmmmmmmm.....
Just so you know..16/2 is capped and even their 50/5 tier.
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Cjaiceman
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Re: Would be happy to see this

said by ztmike See Profile :

said by Cjaiceman See Profile :

A 22/5 with no caps and exchange server...... mmmmmmmm.....
Just so you know..16/2 is capped and even their 50/5 tier.
Right, on their residential plan it is. I have their business plan with no known caps.
ebubman

join:2002-01-17
Enola, PA

reaction to comcast tier?

BFD

Comcablrtl

join:2003-10-25
Midwest

2 edits

Is Comcast Cooking Up a 22Mbps/5Mbps Tier?

There are a lot of things possible...
xmas7717

join:2008-08-04

Re: Is Comcast Cooking Up a 22Mbps/5Mbps Tier?

22/5 is useless
6/1 or 8/2 is much more useful
too much speed=overkill

fldiver2008

@comcast.net

Re: Is Comcast Cooking Up a 22Mbps/5Mbps Tier?

I am lucky if I can get the non-high speed rates and I pay for the 16/2; what a crock...I could CARE LESS about paying more money for more empty promises.

FTTC

join:2008-10-01
Mount Rainier, MD
·Verizon FIOS

crikey

I think the a 22/5 tier should be priced about the same ass fios, $57 a month, taxes included. but you will never see that tier at that price, because everyone would sign up at that price and comcasts, network, would crash.

If they ever upgrade there infrastructure, than maybe you will, tell then dont count on it. also I doubt that tier ever comes out, theres no way to price it. why pay $110 a month for 22/5 when I can pay $57 for fios, thats if fios is an option. and if they charge me $110 a month for it, and fios comes along its fu comcast, now there are markets that dont have fios and would love the option for the tier. however I dont think $110 a month will make them happy, and if fios comes along, you no it will be cheaper and better, and people will switch solely on the fact that they will see comcast as a rip off. but if everyone switches to verizon they will do the same thing, so if comcast was smart they take some off the money they made over the years and infest in upgrading there infrastructure. I really dont see any other option. so comcast if your listening stop being jeews and upgrade your network before you go bankrupt, again.
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