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Offers HD post-air games for $20 per season
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The NFL has consistently been a little lacking when it comes to online offerings, frequently overshadowed by bolder efforts by MLB and the NHL. Still locked into their exclusive out-of-market distribution deal with DirecTV ($700 million through 2010), the league continues to cripple themselves, while boxing out millions of potential cable users. Many users remain annoyed they can't watch their favorite team without shelling out for satellite (and $250 for Sunday Ticket).

Worse, they do offer live streaming games online via a $110 a year service
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named GamePass HD, but it's not available in North America, so as not to tread on their deal with DirecTV. Is that $700 million from DirecTV worth losing out on revenue from tens of millions of additional cable, satellite and TelcoTV subscribers, and the potential ad revenue from offering games online?

The NFL hasn't even really been Internet savvy enough to capitalize on offering games online after they air, something allowed by their DirecTV contract. A lot of out-of-market fans, left in the cold courtesy of Sunday Ticket, have been heading to BitTorrent sites like TenYardTorrents to find games after they air. Apparently, the NFL has realized they should offer a paid alternative, and has has launched Game Rewind. The new video on-demand service lets users watch any game of the season in HD for $20 a season, or $5 for a day pass.

I've played with the service a little, and the quality of the actual service seems notably better than the pixel-tastic demo available at the NFL website. There's no word on how soon after airing the games will be made available to users, something that usually takes a few days for the popular NFL BitTorrent websites. The offering would probably be more exciting if users could stream the games into the living room via a service like Netflix, but again, that would probably run afoul of a contract with DirecTV that's progressively making less and less sense for the NFL.

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$700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

I don't know how much 2" video boxes will get you in revenue but I wouldn't think it's a billion bucks. Seems to me it's smarter to offer DTV the exclusive thus being able to keep that licensing rate closer to $1B and going up every renewal.

Of course it would be nice to have the first hand disappointment of watching the Chargers self destruct but I'm speaking in terms of what may be best for NFL revenues.
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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

however if they provide a service for everyone then they have a right to complain about the torrents. right now they have zero right to complain about them because they do not provide a legal method of programming aquisition to Cable customers short of what is broadcast on available cable and network outlets.
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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

The NFL is the reason why TV prices are skyrocketing. They want their own channel and to lock out local affiliates, so they can charge the cable/sat/telcos more per subscriber to have the right to their game.

Same thing happened this year with the Big Ten Network.

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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

Not just the NFL, but any and all major pro sports--guys getting paid millions of dollars per year to run around a court or a field playing with a ball. It's just speculation of a different kind than the financial speculation that is now ruining this country's economy. Ad speculation: idiot merchandisers and advertisers paying billions of dollars on the off chance that someone seeing one of their ads will want to shell out a few dollars to buy something of theirs.

And people wonder why the economy is heading down the tubes.

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It's their intellectual property, of course they have a right to complain. We have a right to flip them the bird, but they do have the right to complain.

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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

The millions they were pulling in every week with ad's, $100+ ticket prices, venue cuts, their own network, and payments from local broadcast affiliates arent enough?

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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

It's never enough, just like the amount of money you make is never enough.

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said by baineschile See Profile :

The millions they were pulling in every week with ad's, $100+ ticket prices, venue cuts, their own network, and payments from local broadcast affiliates arent enough?
That doesn't matter. What matters is will NFL fans pay more? Let's not begrudge a company that can make money. You can watch your local NFL team (in most markets) over-the-air for free, so I don't see a problem with them trying to expand their business.

And the NFL has nothing to do with why cable TV rates are high.

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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

said by Matt See Profile :

And the NFL has nothing to do with why cable TV rates are high.
So, when the NFL and sports networks are asking for more money, the cable company eats that cost and doesn't raise our rates?
Monday Night Football is on ESPN.
ESPN is notorious for charging higher and higher rates to cablecos(and Sat) for the "right" to carry the network.

Since ESPN is carrying MNF, doesn't that trickle down to *us* as higher rates?
MNF is NFL.
MNF is on ESPN.
ESPN is on Cable.
NFL wants big bucks to carry MNF.
ESPN likes to raise rates on a whim.
Cable passes that cost to *ME*/us.

Conclusion: NFL does cause cable rates to be high and increase.
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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

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said by Matt See Profile :

And the NFL has nothing to do with why cable TV rates are high.
So, when the NFL and sports networks are asking for more money, the cable company eats that cost and doesn't raise our rates?
Monday Night Football is on ESPN.
ESPN is notorious for charging higher and higher rates to cablecos(and Sat) for the "right" to carry the network.

Since ESPN is carrying MNF, doesn't that trickle down to *us* as higher rates?
MNF is NFL.
MNF is on ESPN.
ESPN is on Cable.
NFL wants big bucks to carry MNF.
ESPN likes to raise rates on a whim.
Cable passes that cost to *ME*/us.

Conclusion: NFL does cause cable rates to be high and increase.
Right?
All NFL broadcasts are up for bid when the contract expires. ESPN outbid ABC for Monday Night football.

So your conclusion is a logical fallacy. Just because two things are indirectly related doesn't mean one is the result of the other or directly responsible for a specific result. In this case, the NFL isn't responsible for cable rate hikes because ESPN outbid all the other networks for the rights to carry Monday Night Football.

ABC/CBS/NBC would be the more appropriate entities (but equally incorrect) to blame. Because they didn't bid a higher amount you now have to purchase cable to watch MNF rather than simply attaching rabbit ears to your TV.
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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

said by Matt See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

said by Matt See Profile :

And the NFL has nothing to do with why cable TV rates are high.
So, when the NFL and sports networks are asking for more money, the cable company eats that cost and doesn't raise our rates?
Monday Night Football is on ESPN.
ESPN is notorious for charging higher and higher rates to cablecos(and Sat) for the "right" to carry the network.

Since ESPN is carrying MNF, doesn't that trickle down to *us* as higher rates?
MNF is NFL.
MNF is on ESPN.
ESPN is on Cable.
NFL wants big bucks to carry MNF.
ESPN likes to raise rates on a whim.
Cable passes that cost to *ME*/us.

Conclusion: NFL does cause cable rates to be high and increase.
Right?
All NFL broadcasts are up for bid when the contract expires. ESPN outbid ABC for Monday Night football.

So your conclusion is a logical fallacy. Just because two things are indirectly related doesn't mean one is the result of the other or directly responsible for a specific result. In this case, the NFL isn't responsible for cable rate hikes because ESPN outbid all the other networks for the rights to carry Monday Night Football.

ABC/CBS/NBC would be the more appropriate entities (but equally incorrect) to blame. Because they didn't bid a higher amount you now have to purchase cable to watch MNF rather than simply attaching rabbit ears to your TV.
ESPN and ABC are the same company nitwit.

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said by rifleman69 See Profile :

ESPN and ABC are the same company nitwit.
Actually, Disney owns them both. ESPN and ABC are operated as subsidiaries. So ABC does not own or control ESPN whatsoever. Really, before calling someone a nitwit you should at least do a cursory Google search.

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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

He didn't say ABC owned ESPN. He said they're the same company (eg The Walt Disney Company) in response you claiming that ABC was bidding against ESPN for programming rights which is why you got called a nitwit. It was Disney that made the call moving their MNF broadcast to ESPN in order to prop up ratings and free up Monday nights on their regular network.

Disney bids against the likes of News Corp., NBC-Universal-Vendi, Turner and CBS.
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It is functionally the exact same company since ABC Sports merged with ESPN and _all_ sports broadcast on ABC is by ESPN

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said by DannyZ See Profile :

It is functionally the exact same company since ABC Sports merged with ESPN and _all_ sports broadcast on ABC is by ESPN
You are correct. ABC was losing money on Monday Night Football, so Disney requested they move it to ESPN. I read the specifics somewhere once, but I can't remember where.
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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

That was after the merge I believe.

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Which would be fine, cept abc owns ESPN, or something like that. And perhaps ABC wanted that time slot open to have their own prime time shows run, and now they enshure both stations are making money, non sports watchers can go to abc, and they can charge ad people based on viewership, sports watchers to espn, for same reason.

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said by Matt See Profile :

All NFL broadcasts are up for bid when the contract expires. ESPN outbid ABC for Monday Night football.

So your conclusion is a logical fallacy. Just because two things are indirectly related doesn't mean one is the result of the other or directly responsible for a specific result. In this case, the NFL isn't responsible for cable rate hikes because ESPN outbid all the other networks for the rights to carry Monday Night Football.

ABC/CBS/NBC would be the more appropriate entities (but equally incorrect) to blame. Because they didn't bid a higher amount you now have to purchase cable to watch MNF rather than simply attaching rabbit ears to your TV.
But with Disney owning both ABC and ESPN one has to draw the logical conclusion that they (both Disney and the NFL) realized they could make higher profits going the route of cable/satellite (maybe less viewers from an advertisements standpoint, but hey, they can make up for it by increasing the costs of ESPN) over ABC (who had meandering ratings for a number of years prior to the switch). In turn cable/satellite subscribers are now paying for the "privilege" of MNF instead of being available on a free basis. In a few years I fully expect the Fox NFL games to go to their cable channels also.

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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

An assumption does not make a conclusion logical. I would argue that assumptions are more often wrong rather than right.

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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

Your assumption that assumptions are more often wrong rather than right is conjecture.

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LOL, I live in Michigan. The lions have been blacked out here the last 4 home games (another lovely NFL rule)

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said by baineschile See Profile :

LOL, I live in Michigan. The lions have been blacked out here the last 4 home games (another lovely NFL rule)
I don't know how to say this but you haven't really missed anything.
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said by baineschile See Profile :

LOL, I live in Michigan. The lions have been blacked out here the last 4 home games (another lovely NFL rule)
the local TV stations should violate the blackout and just mark it as "Breaking News" and teach their achors to sportscast
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said by baineschile See Profile :

LOL, I live in Michigan. The lions have been blacked out here the last 4 home games (another lovely NFL rule)
Buy a ticket then and support your local team or tell your local station to pony up.

»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blackout_(···t_policy
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i personally think blackouts should be illegal, honestly the NFL has no right the citizens of the city that make the team what it is can't watch the game on TV.
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Re: $700M doesn't sound much like crippled to me

Of course they have a right. It's their intellectual property. They don't have to broadcast the game on TV no more than a band has to broadcast a live concert on the radio.

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Why anyone would spend money to see sports when I can get it free from the air is beyond me.
Out of market fans can't. And ESPN's Monday Night Football and NFL network are not over the air...

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Why anyone would spend money to see sports when I can get it free from the air is beyond me. The money that is being spent by others could be used for more useful purposes like buying a new car to keep the country going.
Little short-sighted aren't we? Tell me how I can watch my beloved Packers living in Texas and it isn't a nationally shown game.
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Just take the whole thing PPV and get it over with...

That's where this is inevitably heading. Make each game individually available as PPV, and keep a few nationally marketed free games each week. The NFL Network produces and broadcasts it all in house.

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said by HeavyC See Profile :

That's where this is inevitably heading. Make each game individually available as PPV, and keep a few nationally marketed free games each week. The NFL Network produces and broadcasts it all in house.
Yeah, then the NFL can be just as sub par as the NHL with Center Ice. PPV is a fantastic option to generate revenue for the league and

(1) Screw fans every year at exponentially high prices
(2) Games arbitrarily blacked out for no apparent reason
(3) Schedules of the games broadcast change on the drop of a dime without any prior notice to the subscriber
(4) A good portion of certain games are broadcast on other channels your cable co. doesn't have that you thought when you signed up for Center Ice you were going to get.

PPV is an outstanding vehicle for the league. Fans not so much. I was going to say perhaps it would decrease the price of cable, but I seriously doubt that. The NFL is not solely responsible for exponentially increasing annual price hikes for cable. I have no doubt that even if the NFL went the way of PPV as the NHL has gone, cable TV subscribers would still get the yearly price hikes from the providers.

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Re: Just take the whole thing PPV and get it over with...

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said by HeavyC See Profile :

That's where this is inevitably heading. Make each game individually available as PPV, and keep a few nationally marketed free games each week. The NFL Network produces and broadcasts it all in house.
Yeah, then the NFL can be just as sub par as the NHL with Center Ice. PPV is a fantastic option to generate revenue for the league and

(1) Screw fans every year at exponentially high prices
(2) Games arbitrarily blacked out for no apparent reason
(3) Schedules of the games broadcast change on the drop of a dime without any prior notice to the subscriber
(4) A good portion of certain games are broadcast on other channels your cable co. doesn't have that you thought when you signed up for Center Ice you were going to get.

PPV is an outstanding vehicle for the league. Fans not so much. I was going to say perhaps it would decrease the price of cable, but I seriously doubt that. The NFL is not solely responsible for exponentially increasing annual price hikes for cable. I have no doubt that even if the NFL went the way of PPV as the NHL has gone, cable TV subscribers would still get the yearly price hikes from the providers.

A lot of the issues you see with Center Ice have to do with the transmission facilities where the game is being played, at least that's what I've heard. I've also heard that The League is working to correct those issues.

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Re: Just take the whole thing PPV and get it over with...

That's a very fair analysis...but doesn't ESPN have an automatic advantage in the bidding process knowing that they can just simply pass the costs on to the cable co's and ultimately us? It would seem the national networks don't have that advantage.

But everyone is missing one important part of the equation. the PLAYERS/MANAGERS/OWNERS/etc....this is a big reason why it all costs so much.

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Please Don't

As I am not a fan, I could care less what they do as long they do not decide, after 2010, that it is a "must carry" on cable and all customers have to get and pay for it. It is already obnoxious enough having to get the costly ESPN, ESPN2 and Yes! with no choice in the matter. Hopefully NFL will stick with exclusive deals and leave the general public alone.
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Re: Please Don't

I am an out of market Browns fan, and I have seen every game this year, someplace on the net. Just have to get some good "sources". Sometimes the quality isnt that great but as long as I can see my team, I dont care.

I dont think I should have to pay hundreds of dollars to see a game that I would see for free if I lived in Cleveland. With all the channels available, why not put all the games on and just support it by charging *advertisers* like Fox and CBS do?

And with the way the Browns have played this year, I am extra glad I didnt get Sunday ticket!

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said by n2jtx See Profile :

As I am not a fan, I could care less what they do as long they do not decide, after 2010, that it is a "must carry" on cable and all customers have to get and pay for it. It is already obnoxious enough having to get the costly ESPN, ESPN2 and Yes! with no choice in the matter. Hopefully NFL will stick with exclusive deals and leave the general public alone.
Totally agree. 50+ channels, I watch a couple. Zero of them are sports. This is why I plan on sticking with OTA when I get my own (permanent) place to live.
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Cable does not have the room for Sunday Ticket HD

Cable does not have the room for Sunday Ticket HD. Also MBL EI, NBA LP and NHL CI only have 1 HD channel as well. Direct tv has then in HD with dual feeds on some games as well.

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Re: Cable does not have the room for Sunday Ticket HD

This whole NFL only for DirectTV has always left a bad taste in my mouth. Especially since just a year ago the NFL was on a campaign against Comcast for charging extra $ for the NFL channel....With claims of monopoly and to contact your state govt. to complain about it & to switch to other Tv providers...ex. DTV

Then they turn around this year with this crap....Sunday Ticket for DTV only...but what really sealed the crappiness of this deal was NFL.com offering ppv games to customers except for USA residents....!
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HD?

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Full Screen - looks more like ass!
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What blocky picture?
This is some SERIOUSLY hosed HD!

Think I'll pass until someone informs me they have cleared up this *cough* HD...

NFL on FOX... sure hope the live games in HD look better than this...
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Quality sucks.

Watching a game on the 'net is like watching a movie on Youku...buffering every 15 seconds, more pixelization than Carter has liver pills, and audio so out of synch it's like watching an old Godzilla movie. (Should that have been Godzirra?)
It's a step in the right direction for those of us forced to watch the KC Chiefs instead of the Rams. I'd much rather the local Fox/CBS affiliates pull their heads out of their asses and realizes not everyone in Springfield likes the Cowboys and Chiefs.

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Re: Quality sucks.

said by ramsfansam See Profile :

Watching a game on the 'net is like watching a movie on Youku...buffering every 15 seconds, more pixelization than Carter has liver pills, and audio so out of synch it's like watching an old Godzilla movie. (Should that have been Godzirra?)
It's a step in the right direction for those of us forced to watch the KC Chiefs instead of the Rams. I'd much rather the local Fox/CBS affiliates pull their heads out of their asses and realizes not everyone in Springfield likes the Cowboys and Chiefs.
Must be your connection.

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It may already be too late. The NFl is going backwards. In the early days the NFl was available to anyone interested. Gaames on regular TV and news in every paper and sports magazine. They increased their visability with new shows and special events but now its getting harder and harder to stay interested. Battles with cables companies ( I can no longer view the NFL network) and going to the actual game costs way too much. Unproven players are given waaay to much money and the Jersys and licensed good have gotten out of hand in price. Meanwhile theres better things to do Like movies and video games. Especially here in Buffalo where our owner doesnt care and it shows. The product sucks and they threaten us with a move. HEY NFL Take your Buffalo Bills and get out!! Ralph Wilson is a fossil and a joke!
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