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| Can't wait I welcome the merger and I hope it is allowed (I am a Sirius subscriber). As for opposition, does it really matter there are a few gas companies and there seems to be no competition between them at all. If one raises the price it seems like the others follow. | |
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| Re: Can't wait so sad that this merger has taken almost longer then many major mergers that people felt should not have been approved including att, exxonmobile, ect.....
esp when there is 20 different places to get this content both paid and FREE
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| Re: Can't wait said by brooklynman4  :I thin ppart of the merger is for them to have a rival. you mean like the radio in your car that gives you free music?
or the ipod you can dock in your car to get any music you want
or the cell phone that lets you download any song you want
or HDradio that gives you even more FREE music...some even commercial free?
...want more?
How about slacker that is launching soon
How about WiFi that is going to make streaming easier while in a car
How about the new company announced this week that had already paid for their sat's?
want more???
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| Re: Can't wait I can’t believe people actually consider iPods competition to satellite radio. Sure they both provide audio entertainment, but it’s live v prerecorded, there a huge difference. So CDs, audio cassettes, 8 Tracks, and records were competition for FM radio in the past? I think not. Meanwhile Clear Channel bought a bunch of stations yet there was all of this so called ‘competition’.
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you mean like the radio in your car that gives you free music?
or the ipod you can dock in your car to get any music you want
or the cell phone that lets you download any song you want
or HDradio that gives you even more FREE music...some even commercial free?
...want more?
How about slacker that is launching soon
How about WiFi that is going to make streaming easier while in a car
How about the new company announced this week that had already paid for their sat's?
want more???
None of those things mean jack shit. It’s XM and Sirius competing against EACH OTHER that led them to be as great as they are. Face it, a rats fart creates a better listening experience then terrestrial radio. You don’t have to aim to high to outdo that garbage. Free radio blows. It’s absolutely disgusting that in 2007 AM/FM Radio still lives. I haven’t listened to dinosaur radio in years. Free radio, you get what you pay for. HD Radio is a joke and a lame gimmick terrestrial radio is doing. I can't believe some people don't pay for radio.
As a 4 year subscriber to XM and a 3 year subscriber to Sirius, I like each service the way it is. The competition between them both makes them great. I really hope the merger does not go through and I have a feeling it won’t. I don’t want a combined service, I don’t want cheaper service, I want what I’m getting now.
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| Re: Can't wait XM/Sirius is 95% not live.....btw
does not mean if none of those things mean jack shit, they are AUDIO that you can listen to in your car, at your home and on the run.....
they both play music, they both have talk programing, they both play sports, ect....
they are the exact same thing except one is local, one is not. one comes from a sat the other comes from antena's.....
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| Re: Can't wait Put in a CD or put your iPod on shuffle and they’ll be no surprises. You know exactly what you are going to hear. But on XM and Sirius and you never know what you’ll hear. The iPod, CDs, whatever is NOT AND NEVER WILL BE competition to SDARS.
Was it because of CDs, the iPod or even terrestrial radio that XM split up classic rock into two eras, or was it in response to Sirius doing it? Was it because of CDs, the iPod or even terrestrial radio that Sirius added a Christian Rock station or was it because XM had one?
I can’t get Tennessee Titans radio play by play here in Buffalo and I can’t get Buffalo Sabres play by play when I’m out of town on dinosaur radio, and I sure as hell can’t get it on my iPod. I have discovered so much music thanks to XM and Sirius that I would have never heard, I downloaded and put them on my iPod. Much like 15 years ago people listened to terrestrial radio heard a song they liked and then bought the CD
Do you have XM? Do you have Sirius? And I mean actually having it, not having a friend who has it, or having Dish or DirecTV feeds. Saying “they are the exact same thing except one is local, one is not” is completely not true and shows you have no idea what you are talking about, terrestrial radio and satellite radio both provide audio entertainment and that’s where their similarities stop.
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| You're counting your chickens a bit prematurely. The merger isn't final yet.
Even if your claim was true, it ignores a fundamental point. That point is that any pre-recorded content broadcast by Sirius, XM or any other OTA radio is done by someone else, so you don't have to. That is known as a value-adding service. For those who want a pleasing flow of music, without having to spend countless hours coming up with their own playlists, this is particularly attractive. It should go without saying that anyone operating a motor vehicle should not be focusing their attention on entertainment devices.
Sirius and XM both broadcast from satellites, and both use antennae. It doesn't matter if one company's headquarters is located in the city where you live, because their transmitters are at least 22,240 miles away.
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| said by Steve Mehs :I can’t believe people actually consider iPods competition to satellite radio. Sure they both provide audio entertainment, but it’s live v prerecorded, there a huge difference. So CDs, audio cassettes, 8 Tracks, and records were competition for FM radio in the past? I think not. Meanwhile Clear Channel bought a bunch of stations yet there was all of this so called ‘competition’. quote:
you mean like the radio in your car that gives you free music?
or the ipod you can dock in your car to get any music you want
or the cell phone that lets you download any song you want
or HDradio that gives you even more FREE music...some even commercial free?
...want more?
How about slacker that is launching soon
How about WiFi that is going to make streaming easier while in a car
How about the new company announced this week that had already paid for their sat's?
want more???
None of those things mean jack shit. It’s XM and Sirius competing against EACH OTHER that led them to be as great as they are. Face it, a rats fart creates a better listening experience then terrestrial radio. You don’t have to aim to high to outdo that garbage. Free radio blows. It’s absolutely disgusting that in 2007 AM/FM Radio still lives. I haven’t listened to dinosaur radio in years. Free radio, you get what you pay for. HD Radio is a joke and a lame gimmick terrestrial radio is doing. I can't believe some people don't pay for radio. As a 4 year subscriber to XM and a 3 year subscriber to Sirius, I like each service the way it is. The competition between them both makes them great. I really hope the merger does not go through and I have a feeling it won’t. I don’t want a combined service, I don’t want cheaper service, I want what I’m getting now. Sorry you feel that way... AM/FM is here to stay. I'm not going to pay for something I can get for free. There are several stations in this area that provide the content I want. If you want commercial free, don't blame FM for not providing it to you... They need to have commercials to pay for the free service which costs millions per year to run.
You don't pay a penny.
Second, look at your damn signature... You're so damn anti-FIOS, perhaps you just have vices against certain companies for no reasons?
Looks like you're a satellite/Time Warner fanboy...
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Sorry you feel that way
Why are you sorry? I feel sorry for sheeple like you who still put up with crappy programming and commercials. 14 million people and counting have rejected terrestrial radio over the past 6 years. No reason to feel sorry for those of us who enjoy hearing more the 20 songs on the same station.
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I'm not going to pay for something I can get for free.
And likewise, I'm not going to listen to shit for free when I can get much better content that costs me. I love movies so I pay for HBO, Showtime, Starz and the rest, for commercial free uncensored movies, I will never subject myself to watching movies on TBS or Spike.
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If you want commercial free, don't blame FM for not providing it to you... They need to have commercials to pay for the free service which costs millions per year to run.
I will blame them all I want. I don't want commercials, commercials suck. Terrestrial radio is not about public interest, or music or news or anything about entertaining the listener. It's about advertising dollars. Period. Good thing you don’t pay for AM/FM Radio, a penny to listen would be over charging. For that crap, they’d have to pay me to listen.
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Second, look at your damn signature... You're so damn anti-FIOS, perhaps you just have vices against certain companies for no reasons?
Looks like you're a satellite/Time Warner fanboy...
 I'm so damn anti fios eh.
I have no idea how the hell this relates to SDARS and a future failed merger between XM and Sirius, but yes, I do have my own reasons for disliking Verizon, and no Fios is not available in my area, and yes, I am a very happy TW subscriber. I’m a Time Warner Cable Fanboy, an XM Fanboy and a Sirius Fanboy.
I would love to be able to work for one of those three companies, just like how you work for Clear Channel.
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Sorry you feel that way
Why are you sorry? I feel sorry for sheeple like you who still put up with crappy programming and commercials. 14 million people and counting have rejected terrestrial radio over the past 6 years. No reason to feel sorry for those of us who enjoy hearing more the 20 songs on the same station. quote:
I'm not going to pay for something I can get for free.
And likewise, I'm not going to listen to shit for free when I can get much better content that costs me. I love movies so I pay for HBO, Showtime, Starz and the rest, for commercial free uncensored movies, I will never subject myself to watching movies on TBS or Spike. quote:
If you want commercial free, don't blame FM for not providing it to you... They need to have commercials to pay for the free service which costs millions per year to run.
I will blame them all I want. I don't want commercials, commercials suck. Terrestrial radio is not about public interest, or music or news or anything about entertaining the listener. It's about advertising dollars. Period. Good thing you don’t pay for AM/FM Radio, a penny to listen would be over charging. For that crap, they’d have to pay me to listen. quote:
Second, look at your damn signature... You're so damn anti-FIOS, perhaps you just have vices against certain companies for no reasons?
Looks like you're a satellite/Time Warner fanboy...
I'm so damn anti fios eh. I have no idea how the hell this relates to SDARS and a future failed merger between XM and Sirius, but yes, I do have my own reasons for disliking Verizon, and no Fios is not available in my area, and yes, I am a very happy TW subscriber. I’m a Time Warner Cable Fanboy, an XM Fanboy and a Sirius Fanboy. I would love to be able to work for one of those three companies, just like how you work for Clear Channel. People are getting charged for everything nowadays.. If you like being charged for radio, go right ahead.. I'm not against the idea of satellite radio, but people like yourself who think that AM/FM need to die are just fools... Don't force me to pay for something I don't want..
Commercials suck, I agree.. But guess what!!!! YOU'RE NOT PAYING A DAMN CENT... So how are these radio stations supposed to support themselves? So Sirius or XM don't care about the bottom line either? Get real.... A business is just that A DAMN BUSINESS... There job is to seperate you from your hard earned dollar... It's as simple as that. Whether we're talking about the local pizzeria or Microsoft, it's the same fucking deal..
BTW: I don't work for Clear Channel and I rarely listen to FM radio outside of my car... I prefer to get my music free off the internet.  FREE is the word....
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| Re: Can't wait It's interesting that it's said there aren't any commercials on Sat radio... I know for a fact there are commercials on those services. Ever listen to any of the talk or sports channels? There are a LOT of ads. I had a coworker that played his radio all day and I'd swear there were more commercials than actual content.
Also, I want to see Sat radio beat my local talk channel in bringing me local news/events/personalities along with my traffic report every 15 minutes or so. Last I knew, I'd have to flip between channels on this 'wonderful' subscriber service to get the information/entertainment that fits me. | |
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| Re: Can't wait Reread my posts, and take a look at XM and Sirius’ literature. Nowhere do I or they say 100% commercial free period. It’s 100% commercial free music. The Talk, Entertainment, Sports and Comedy stations have always been fair game for commercials, and the majority of talk content is outsourced so XM and Sirius have no control of the channel being commercial free or not. 90% of my satellite radio listening is music, Opie & Anthony, NHL Home Ice and Rusty Humpheries make up the rest
I don't want satellite radio beat local talk. Local stuff sucks. I don't want nor need local information. I really don't care how many inches of snow we'll see what how corrupt the county legislator is.
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People are getting charged for everything nowadays.. If you like being charged for radio, go right ahead.. I'm not against the idea of satellite radio, but people like yourself who think that AM/FM need to die are just fools... Don't force me to pay for something I don't want..
And people should pay for more. Nothing is free, nothing should be free, and if something is marketed as free, it's junk, since no one would be willing to opening pay for it. If AM/FM die, why would you be forced to pay for anything you don't want. According to some on here, there's all this great competition, check that out.
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Commercials suck, I agree.. But guess what!!!! YOU'RE NOT PAYING A DAMN CENT... So how are these radio stations supposed to support themselves?
I don't give a damn how they support themselves, that's for them to worry about, not me, terrestrial radio gets a lot of breaks as it is. They don’ give me want and I’m willing to pay for it, fuck them.
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So Sirius or XM don't care about the bottom line either? Get real.... A business is just that A DAMN BUSINESS... There job is to seperate you from your hard earned dollar... It's as simple as that. Whether we're talking about the local pizzeria or Microsoft, it's the same fucking deal..
A business is a business, the goal is to make money I agree. I fully support the idea of capitalism and big business. But satellite radio cares more for its listeners and tries to appease them because they are the main source of income, where as dinosaur radio companies just have to appeal to advertisers which just have to appeal to certain demos.
XM and Sirius could double their rates, and I’d pay whatever it costs. I upgrade my plug and play receivers everytime a new one comes out. I have over $1K invester in various receivers and kits, most of which are no longer used. I also purchased an $800 Sony Home Theater Receiver since it has a built in XM Tuner and can do the XMHD decoding.
Satellite Radio is my life. And it is my job to spead the good word of Fr. Lee and Pastor Mel. Do I hear an A-men! Brothers and sisters, I have taken it upon my self to destroy satans work (AM/FM Radio) and bring suffering to an end. I promote the best thing since sliced bread, every where I go.
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| Re: Can't wait said by Steve Mehs : quote:
People are getting charged for everything nowadays.. If you like being charged for radio, go right ahead.. I'm not against the idea of satellite radio, but people like yourself who think that AM/FM need to die are just fools... Don't force me to pay for something I don't want..
And people should pay for more. Nothing is free, nothing should be free, and if something is marketed as free, it's junk, since no one would be willing to opening pay for it. If AM/FM die, why would you be forced to pay for anything you don't want. According to some on here, there's all this great competition, check that out. quote:
Commercials suck, I agree.. But guess what!!!! YOU'RE NOT PAYING A DAMN CENT... So how are these radio stations supposed to support themselves?
I don't give a damn how they support themselves, that's for them to worry about, not me, terrestrial radio gets a lot of breaks as it is. They don’ give me want and I’m willing to pay for it, fuck them. quote:
So Sirius or XM don't care about the bottom line either? Get real.... A business is just that A DAMN BUSINESS... There job is to seperate you from your hard earned dollar... It's as simple as that. Whether we're talking about the local pizzeria or Microsoft, it's the same fucking deal..
A business is a business, the goal is to make money I agree. I fully support the idea of capitalism and big business. But satellite radio cares more for its listeners and tries to appease them because they are the main source of income, where as dinosaur radio companies just have to appeal to advertisers which just have to appeal to certain demos. XM and Sirius could double their rates, and I’d pay whatever it costs. I upgrade my plug and play receivers everytime a new one comes out. I have over $1K invester in various receivers and kits, most of which are no longer used. I also purchased an $800 Sony Home Theater Receiver since it has a built in XM Tuner and can do the XMHD decoding. Satellite Radio is my life. And it is my job to spead the good word of Fr. Lee and Pastor Mel. Do I hear an A-men! Brothers and sisters, I have taken it upon my self to destroy satans work (AM/FM Radio) and bring suffering to an end. I promote the best thing since sliced bread, every where I go. God help your soul.
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| Re: Can't wait Jealous I have a passion for the best form of audio entertainment the planet has ever seen? I also have an XM TShirt and Sirius hat I wear quite frequently and if I happen to be out and about and see one of the dinosaur stations doing a remote or handing out bumper stickers, I will stop and walk around for a few minutes pimping real radio, not radio where songs are just filler for ads. | |
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| None of those examples cited are in the same market as Sirius/XM.
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| Re: Can't wait said by Time4aNAP :None of those examples cited are in the same market as Sirius/XM. If you don't know what markets and marketplaces are, or their significance in this matter, do feel free to take a business 101 class. tell me boss what market are they in?
radio is not in the market of giving you music to listen to while you drive? Radio personalities to listen too while you drive? Live content while you drive.....ect...ect....
why because one can provide the nationally? well guess what so does clear channel dont limit your thought process to a station's name....they are all owned by a single company and its more then likley you can get the same kind of music in every market....
so tell me why they are not in the same market?
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| Re: Can't wait "Like the antenna on your TV that gives you free TV? Funny, few people consider that real competition to cable and satellite."
Does the TV provide you with the same content on both over the air, cable and sat tv? YES.
"Like the DVD player on your TV? Personal collections are not the same as (and generally don't compete with) broadcast programming"
More people are tuning out radio in place of their Ipods. A replacement to current medium indicates competition. go look at the research at bridge services and you will see what people are tuning to instead of the radio.
"This competes with satellite radio how?"
Streaming radio, radio downloads, 2gb+ storage, ect all from cell service. Hell you can even get TV on there now.
"Show me a commercial free digital dance/techno station in LA that I can pick up in my car without Sirius or XM. Better yet, show me one that I can listen to all the way from LA, California to Phoenix, Arizona."
Show me where on sat radio i can pick up Rush or Dr laura, not that i would ever listen too.
You are still missing the point. So if sat radio just started to play commercials then they would be considered competition?
they provide the same service, not EXACTLY the same and not technically the same way.... but the service of providing music, talk, news, content that you can listen too in your car, at home, at work, while walking, ect....
How is this not considered competition. you are basing this on three facts:
- one is national one is local (even tho they own 1000+ stations that cover 75%+ of the population)
- one charges money one gets money from commercials.
- one comes from a sat the other from towers, even tho you can get xm./siri now without a sat.
do you know what i tune into at home....nope not a radio anymore, i tune into slacker.com, howard stern on sat instead of the radio now, and even for news that i used to listen to on the local 1080 news station i listen to CNN on sirius.
So tell me how did i move from being a full customer to regular radio, to all these other mediums if they do not compete? how is it they no longer have my business but i am still getting the same content in the same places?
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| Re: Can't wait said by P Ness :Does the TV provide you with the same content on both over the air, cable and sat tv? YES. Last time I checked, I could NOT get the same content OTA as I can on DirecTV or Comcast. The antenna on my TV will NOT pick up HBO, Shotime, Starz, USA, FX, TBS, Speed, Discovery, Lifetime, LMN, History, Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, or many more.
So how can you say OTA provides the same as Cable and Sat?
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| Re: Can't wait said by aaron8301 :said by P Ness :Does the TV provide you with the same content on both over the air, cable and sat tv? YES. Last time I checked, I could NOT get the same content OTA as I can on DirecTV or Comcast. The antenna on my TV will NOT pick up HBO, Shotime, Starz, USA, FX, TBS, Speed, Discovery, Lifetime, LMN, History, Cartoon Network, Nickelodeon, or many more. So how can you say OTA provides the same as Cable and Sat? No again missing the point. the point is not HBO vs not HBO. they provide the same content, TV shows, sports shows, news...ect...not specific shows....
you cannot get Exxon's super clean premium 93 from Hess. so that makes them not competitors?
they provide television services and entertainment. based on what you said XM and Sirus are not in competition because XM does not have the howard stern channel and Siri Does????
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| Re: Can't wait Ok, let me put it this way:
With both XM and Sirius, I can get approximately 200 channels, with an almost equal amount of music, talk, sports, and comedy on each.
With Comcast and DirecTV, I can also get about 200 channels of nearly identical programming. With OTA, I can get about 10 channels.
Thus, I fail to see how OTA can be considered a real competitor to other TV services.
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| Re: Can't wait said by aaron8301 :Ok, let me put it this way: With both XM and Sirius, I can get approximately 200 channels, with an almost equal amount of music, talk, sports, and comedy on each. With Comcast and DirecTV, I can also get about 200 channels of nearly identical programming. With OTA, I can get about 10 channels. Thus, I fail to see how OTA can be considered a real competitor to other TV services. so because someone has not put money into providing more then just a few local channels means there is no competition? i did not say they were a "good" competitor to Cable or Sat TV did i??? but if someone wanted to put money into it.....
radio provides you with up to 20+ stations per market some that give you almost as much choice as sat radio does. with HD streams its even more choice.....where do you draw the line with how "much" content a provider provides to call it competition?
they both provide you with music, delivery means nothing
they both provide you with news, delivery means nothing
ect...ect...ect....
if tomorrow sat radio goes out of business where will 12m people get music, stern, news, comedy, ect from??? oh wait i guess nowhere because they have no competition right??? just each other.....
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| Re: Can't wait OH and FYI go read the SEC reports where ALL the major radio companies state VERY CLEARLY that sat radio is in fact a MAJOR competitor to radio.
are you saying they lied in their SEC filings....hmm that is quite a major offense..funny that the SEC does not open investigations into the "lies" they put in their SEC statements since they are all crying now that they are not in competition with the sat radio industry....
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| Ok, you and The Monkey make good points, and I am inclined to agree. Although I feel that OTA is a lousy competitor to cable and sat, and likewise FM is a lousy competitor to sat radio, indeed, they ARE competitors.
said by P Ness :{FM} radio provides you with up to 20+ stations per market some that give you almost as much choice as sat radio does. I think this is stretching it, though. Even markets that do have that many stations, some are almost complete clones of others, and there still isn't much variety. In the few markets where I have listened to FM, there are usually 2-3 country stations, 3-4 pop/hit stations, and 2-3 rock stations that all play the same crap as each other station in their respective category.
So you're still right: FM IS a competitor to sat radio. But I still think it's a lousy one and it sucks!
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| Re: Can't wait said by aaron8301 :Ok, you and The Monkey make good points, and I am inclined to agree. Although I feel that OTA is a lousy competitor to cable and sat, and likewise FM is a lousy competitor to sat radio, indeed, they ARE competitors. said by P Ness :{FM} radio provides you with up to 20+ stations per market some that give you almost as much choice as sat radio does. I think this is stretching it, though. Even markets that do have that many stations, some are almost complete clones of others, and there still isn't much variety. In the few markets where I have listened to FM, there are usually 2-3 country stations, 3-4 pop/hit stations, and 2-3 rock stations that all play the same crap as each other station in their respective category. So you're still right: FM IS a competitor to sat radio. But I still think it's a lousy one and it sucks! I absolutely agree that FM radio sucks. I guess one of the questions becomes does it suck enough to render it a non-competitor to sat radio (it will be interesting to see the data sets when they start coming out, I haven't seen any yet). Yet another way terrestrial radio would actually benefit by sucking. 
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| said by aaron8301 :Ok, let me put it this way: With both XM and Sirius, I can get approximately 200 channels, with an almost equal amount of music, talk, sports, and comedy on each. With Comcast and DirecTV, I can also get about 200 channels of nearly identical programming. With OTA, I can get about 10 channels. Thus, I fail to see how OTA can be considered a real competitor to other TV services. You are not using the proper measure for competition. The true measure, for competition analysis purposes, is whether an entity could unilaterally impose a small but significant price increase without losing customers to a substitute. It is essential to understand that the substitute need not be identical, simply sufficient to serve as a substitute for the consumer to turn to.
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What I want to know is why I keep seeing this non sequitur comparison to other cases that have nothing whatsoever with the one at hand. Please explain.
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| The thing is though they will still have competition. There is still FM radio. If they raise the prices you can rest assured that they will loose a large amount of customers. They are doing good to get $10 out of them. Especially whenever they can use FM for free.
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| I've been an XM subscriber for a couple of years. IMHO, they have a better programming selection than sirius. However, Sirius has NFL channels, while XM doesn't. XM carries NBA, NHL, NL baseball. I'd rather have NFL. The odd thing, lately, is I have turned away from listening to a variety of stations and first got hooked on Air America. Sometime later, my son put on the Comedy channel, #150, and I've been hooked ever since. Sure, there are some stand ups, who, lacking real talent, rely on excessive vulgarity and swearing. But there are many out there that I never heard of before that have real talent, good material, good delivery, etc. A really good way to discover new talent, and also hear some great pioneers like Redd Fox and others from his generation, and compare their 'blue' material to the modern stand up.
The merger would give us more choices, and that's always a good thing. Too bad that Howard Stern comes with the package, but then again, I don't have to listen to him...
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