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Is This The Week AT&T Loses iPhone Exclusivity?
Magic 8 ball app says 'signs point to yes'
by Karl Bode Monday 25-Jan-2010 tags: business · wireless · bandwidth
Whether you're excited about this week's launch of the Apple tablet or find the press coverage a bit, uh, excessive -- there's one question we should finally see answered this week: whether Apple will extend AT&T's exclusive distribution of the iPhone. Given the miserable 2009 had by AT&T and their much maligned 3G network, all indications have pointed to the agreement being dissolved, and the iPhone finally making its way on to other carriers. The usual, vague blog rumors are heating up, with Hot Hardware claiming they've spoken to a source that says the exclusive deal is dead:

We have been led to believe by an inside source that AT&T will lose their iPhone exclusivity on the same day, though it's not yet clear what other carrier (or carriers) will be stepping in to also carry the phone. For anyone who has followed the saga, you may notice that you haven't seen AT&T fighting to extend their original exclusive agreement of late. In fact, they have spent most of their time fighting Verizon's negative ad campaign.

AT&T already more than made their bones off of the agreement in the form of lower customer churn and huge subscriber numbers. AT&T has long argued that it's the quality of the network, not long-term contracts, ETFs and the iPhone that's responsible for customer loyalty. It looks like we'll soon get to see that belief put to the test. We'll also get to see if Verizon's EVDO network fares any better in the face of a flood of iPhone users eager for the promise of a more reliable experience.

As for the Apple tablet, early indications are that the device will operate across multiple carriers, though of course you'll certainly hear more when the device is launched this Wednesday.

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Matt
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Win/Win

This would be a win/win for both Apple and AT&T. Apple would have over 50% of the US cellular market to sell brand new iPhones and iTablets to and AT&T will see mass defections, which will lessen the strain on their network.

If an iPhone comes to Verizon, I know my GF would dump her Eris in a heartbeat.
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Re: Win/Win

My wife is waiting for the iphone on vzw also.

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Re: Win/Win

Yes I can finally get an iPhone on VZ Wireless when i'm up for a new phone! the only downer is waiting... Spring 2011

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There ya go. Verizon and ATT raise their ETFs...coincidence?

Let us say that Apple *does* release a 4G/LTE iPhone. Verizon now goes, Can you have it now, and ATT still has iPhone sales/use.

If anyone cuts out of their contracts earlier to switch, BAM. (pun)

And PS, I doubt there is a tablet. Seeing the way folks can't take care of a Macbook Air, let alone their iPhone, something that big, made of glass sounds like smoke to me. (perhaps the rumors are to distract one from the real deal, the iPhone 4G/LTE ...)

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Re: Win/Win

It won't be a 4g iphone.

Just like Apple chose to release the original iphone as a 2g phone (even though 3g had been deployed by ATT for years), Apple would likely release a VZW phone as yet another EVDO device.
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My wife and I are both eagerly awaiting the iPhone on Verizon. We can only get a Verizon signal where we live.

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said by Matt:

... and AT&T will see mass defections, which will lessen the strain on their network.

Something tells me ATT wouldnt see this as a positive; and who knows how much longer apples will give support on the ATT network?

Matt
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Re: Win/Win

said by baineschile:

said by Matt:

... and AT&T will see mass defections, which will lessen the strain on their network.

Something tells me ATT wouldnt see this as a positive; and who knows how much longer apples will give support on the ATT network?
I disagree. They know they can't be the sole provider of the world's most popular smartphone, so they've resorted to a pathetic educational campaign to educate users about how to use data wisely. They are taking a beating and for the first time ever, finished dead last in customer satisfaction. Losing 10%-20% of their iPhone customer base would be a boon to them, as the iPhone customers are the least profitable anyway due to profit sharing with Apple as well as the simple fact that iPhone users are, by comparison, extremely heavy data users.

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said by Matt:

This would be a win/win for both Apple and AT&T. Apple would have over 50% of the US cellular market to sell brand new iPhones and iTablets to and AT&T will see mass defections, which will lessen the strain on their network.

If an iPhone comes to Verizon, I know my GF would dump her Eris in a heartbeat.
Depending on what ATT made off the original deal this might not be a win for ATT, but I would imagine ATT would only not renew if they thought they could make more money now that they have all these new people in contracts.

Actually this sucks for parents with Verizon, now they don't have an excuse to get little snowflake an iphone. I have used the iphone and it is garbage compared to a phone with a keyboard. It is only practical for kids or non business use.
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Re: Win/Win

I type business E-Mails on my iPhone all the time without shorthand and I can type faster in speed tests vs. friends with Blackberries.

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Re: Win/Win

said by goodcow:

I type business E-Mails on my iPhone all the time without shorthand and I can type faster in speed tests vs. friends with Blackberries.
I don't care about typing speed, I detest the inaccuracy and horrible spelling correction system the iPhone has. Android has a spelling correction system Apple should steal and not think twice about ... it offers multiple suggestions right above the keyboard while you type. None of that single word correction in a bubble crap.

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Re: Win/Win

said by Matt:

Android has a spelling correction system Apple should steal and not think twice about ... it offers multiple suggestions right above the keyboard while you type. None of that single word correction in a bubble crap.
I promptly turned that off within a week. You're right - it's a very nice implementation (especially the silky smooth version on the Nexus One) but after a week with my Hero, I was proficient enough to where I didn't need the help. I'm also fairly decent at spelling, so I wasn't worried about embarrassing spelling mistakes. Bottom line, a physical keyboard does not automatically make a device better than one which utilizes a virtual keyboard.

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Re: Win/Win

said by Telco_Tech:

Bottom line, a physical keyboard does not automatically make a device better than one which utilizes a virtual keyboard.

- Tate

I still hate virtual keyboards and am terribly inaccurate with them, so a good predictive correction system is a must for me.
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Re: Win/Win

I used to agree when I transitioned from a keyboard phone to the iPhone. At first I had a hard time typing on it and blasted Apple for not letting me turn the keyboard sideways so that the keys were bigger and, in my opinion at the time, less make mistakes. Eventually I got good at the small virtual keyboard and when Apple introduce the 3.x OS upgrade, they added turning the keyboard sideways. By that time I was used to the smaller portrait keyboard and if I'm actually worse on the landscape keyboard even though it has larger keys.

Now that I'm used to a virtual keyboard, I think it's quicker than a real keyboard. In my opinion, it's all about getting accustomed to what you have.

The iPhone's touch screen has completely ruined my ability to use other touch panels that are either not as sensitive or require pressure from your finger. I received a TomTom GPS unit for Christmas and it stinks. Compared to the iPhone, the TomTom screen seems to require a hard, prolonged touch to register the stroke. Drives me up the wall whenever I try to use it!

I have a similar experience with HP tablet PCs in my office. As touch screens go, they stink compared to the iPhone. I have grown so accustomed to the light touch of the iPhone that it's incredibly difficult for me to be efficient at anything else -- except a full-size keyboard. I'm a touch typist (I rarely look at the keyboard) and a full-size mechanical keyboard still reigns supreme. It would be nice to combine the two. Several times I have caught myself reaching up to my non-touch desktop flat-screen and making an up or down swipe in a feeble attempt to scroll.

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Re: Win/Win

I used an iPhone for a full year and just became more and more frustrated. I hate virtual keyboards. The virtual keyboard and the AT&T network were really the only two complaints I had about an otherwise incredible phone. They were enough to make me pay 3 x ETFs and switch back to Verizon however.

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Count me in for an iPhone when it hits Verizon.

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3G Issue

Can someone explain how AT&T can claim they have 3G coverage for 97% of customers with the 3G coverage maps Verizon shows? Do they have a roaming agreement in place to allow them to make those claims? I know that Luke Wilson changes the debate from 3G coverage to just plain coverage, but I have heard that the 97% also includes 3G. So which is it?

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Re: 3G Issue

It's the whole mentality that people only live in and around big cities and the rest of America can go to hell and survive with subpar service.

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97% is all data coverage (slowest GPRS, slower EDGE and 3g) not just 3g as Verizon's commercials point out.

From this link: »www.geek.com/articles/mobile/att···0091116/

The key facts are:

AT&T’s wireless data coverage reaches 303 million people – or 97% of the U.S. population, where they live and work. Our data coverage consists of 3 different types of technology:

* 3G. 233 million people or 75% of the population are covered by AT&T’s 3G network, the nation’s fastest.
* EDGE. 301 million people or more than 96% of the population are covered by EDGE.
o With both 3G and EDGE coverage, customers can access the Internet, send e-mail, surf the Web, stream music, download videos, send photos, text, talk and more. The only difference – with some data applications, 3G is faster than EDGE
* GPRS. Covers 303 million people, allowing you to talk, text, e-mail and access basic websites optimized for wireless.
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They have good coverage, but the 3G is spotty. I lost 3G on a trip south recently once I passed Richmond on 95 and couldn't get it again until I hit southern GA.
I have run into edge only areas all over the DC Metro area, and recently have been plagued by dropped calls.
It's odd.
But on a side note, I had excellent 3G in a fairly rural area of central FL.
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Re: 3G Issue

AT&T has virtually no coverage in our entire county in Ohio. If you have one of their phones it's useless. According to their own coverage maps the signal dang near stops at the county lines. Almost had me geared up to do my own, "Wow, we don't have the internet/phone here commercial and YouTube the sucker.

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Well, the advertising should get interesting then..

In fact, they have spent most of their time fighting Verizon's negative ad campaign.
I doubt this is a trend that's likely to change. Given the choice of advertising the (once exclusive) phone's capabilities/features or bashing the competition, it should be pretty easy to figure out which way they'll both go.

Let the mud flinging begin!

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Yeah sure

"AT&T has long argued that it's the quality of the network, not long-term contracts, ETFs and the iPhone that's responsible for customer loyalty.

Ohh boy! What a wopper!
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Re: Yeah sure

They have the best phone coverage across the US.
I have driven all over with people with Verizon and while I always have a signal they will lose signal on major highways outside of cities.
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Re: Yeah sure

said by r81984:

They have the best phone coverage across the US.
I have driven all over with people with Verizon and while I always have a signal they will lose signal on major highways outside of cities.
Bullshit. Come to my area and try to get 3G coverage( which would be the only reason one would spend money on a iphone ). Try getting 3G from at&t within 50 miles of me in ANY direction. Verizon? Yep they have it. Being able to talk and surf at the same time is useless if one can't surf now isn't it?

r81984
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Re: Yeah sure

Phone coverage not data.
While data is great, I use my cell phone for making calls and wifi for my data with my phone syncing to my companies exchange server.
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Re: Yeah sure

Come to my house on Long Island...
The ONLY signal I get is Verizon's, I have tried AT&T, SPRINT, & T-Mobile, all SUCK...

In Las Vegas, with my AT&T phone, at the convention center, I was unable to get a signal, my friend, on Verizon's network, was able to make calls.

You can have the GREATEST, SPEEDIEST network in the world, but if your coverage sucks, as it does by me, it don't matter...
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I actually live within 43 miles of you and drive through there every weedend. I have never lost a call of data.
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said by r81984:

They have the best phone coverage across the US.
Still running with this load of horse crap, eh? smh...

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Re: Yeah sure

Horse crap??

If you traveled like me then you would agree that ATT has better voice coverage.
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said by r81984:

Horse crap??

If you traveled like me then you would agree that ATT has better voice coverage.
A. You don't know what I do or don't do.

B. at&t does NOT have better voice, data, etc. coverage than Verizon.

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said by DarnellP:

said by r81984:

They have the best phone coverage across the US.
Still running with this load of horse crap, eh? smh...
He ( r81984 ) talks so much Crap it would fill up the gulf of mexico !!! i would not waste my time on him..

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Re: Yeah sure

I never lie. I just tell the truth from personal experience.
I have friends and coworkers with Verizon and when they lose signal I always still have one. I have been all over the country. You can't argue with facts.
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said by r81984:

You can't argue with facts.
You seem to be...
Many here have said they get poor service with AT&T and have good service with Verizon. Some in your area too.
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said by r81984:

They have the best phone coverage across the US.
I have driven all over with people with Verizon and while I always have a signal they will lose signal on major highways outside of cities.
LOL, how much is AT&T paying you? I've had the exact opposite results driving all over PA and several other northeastern states. My drive to Michigan a few weeks ago was a joke. Nothing but dropped calls, very shitty EDGE data, and almost no 3G until Toledo. AT&T doesn't even bother to extend 3G between Toledo and Detroit.
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Then why is it that I live in the north east, and yet I had to call AT&T last week and complain that I simply can't stay connected, and after they checked my account they said, we'll open a ticket to get the towers checked out, people are getting dropped calls around your area.

And here's 1000 free minutes for your troubles.

If they announce the iphone on anything other than AT&T on Thursday that same day I'm paying the termination fee and switch. For what I care the iPhone can go to Tin-Can-String Wireless and I bet it will be than AT&T.

Now don't get me started on the voice quality. I'm tired of having my phone hijacked by aliens every time it changes towers. For some reason, Satan or an alien takes over my phone an all I can hear is some weird sounds.

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Well, when they lose exclusivity, we will see.

As was stated earlier, Me thinks this is exactly why the ETF's just went through the roof. Wed we will probably see both a tablet and updated iPhone from Apple.

But the big news will be the end of exclusivity. Whether that's a GSM phone on other GSM carriers, or a Dual GSM/CDMA phone is yet to be seen.

If they do make such an announcement, it won't ship before the 3rd quarter.

The iPhone is a nice, polished product. But I will probably stick with my BlackBerry even with an iPhone available on Verizon. I all ready have an iPod Touch that I can use with WiFi....
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iDon't Give a Crap..

..about the iPhone. In my opinion, my HTC Touch Pro can run circles around that thing and I didn't pay NEAR as much for it.

I hate the touchscreen-only keyboard. I want a real freakin' keyboard. I can SSH into servers just fine with my HTC without issues. If (and when) the iPhone gets a real keyboard, I might become interested in it.

GSM Only? Oh come the hell on. I'd think with a phone like that, it'd be more setup like the Blackberry Tour (GSM and CDMA Radios). That way you could use it as a true business phone anywhere. That's one feature I wish my HTC had.

..and as for AT&T losing it, if they'd fix their POS network, this wouldn't be an issue would it? I'm sure Apple's pissed because AT&T practically neutered the iPhone on their network.

I laugh everytime I see an AT&T commercial comparing Verizon and AT&T. I'd love to know what IDIOT came up with those commercials. If you want to please your customers, don't put up a smokescreen, FIX THE DAMN PROBLEM. Sure, I'm not with Verizon OR AT&T (I'm on Alltel), but I still find it hilarious.
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Rob
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I love my iPhone...

I love my iPhone, with one exception - the data price. If AT&T was to lower it to $15-$20/mo., saving me $10 dollars (and $10 dollars worth of taxes), I'd be much more happy.

My true complaint of the iPhone is not with the carrier - it's with Apple.

AT&T's 3G network is solid. Fast speeds, always up, couldn't ask for a better carrier.

Apple, on the other hand, really needs (IMO) to release OS 4.0 fast. I'm tired of not having the ability to run background apps, or customize my home screen, or have different themes - without jailbreaking my phone.

In addition, it would be nice to have more than 1 exchange e-mail account.
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Re: I love my iPhone...

I speak to customers day in and day out....

I rarely get anyone who complains about 3G issues with other 3G devices..

Also, it is well know one of the major troubleshooting steps AT&T does with iPhone is try turning off the 3G to see if improves service and it almost always does. I still stand on the fact that I think the iPhone tries to force 3G all the time cause the issues. No other manufacture has such an easy way to turn off 3G "to save battery life" . I seriously think it is a hardware/software issue. Many Apple stores are known to do multiply swaps for dropped calls when the issue only occurs when 3G is turned on.

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Rob, it should be apparent to you by now it's an area thing. There are people in areas where the backhaul is well laid and is near-future-proof. In other areas the towers are oversold and there's simply bad service.

Keep this in mind: I've had maybe two or three times where 3G was garbage. My complaints come in the form of having full signal strength but continually dropped calls for no reason while sitting in the same spot for hours at a time.
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Re: I love my iPhone...

said by drew:

Rob, it should be apparent to you by now it's an area thing. There are people in areas where the backhaul is well laid and is near-future-proof. In other areas the towers are oversold and there's simply bad service.

Keep this in mind: I've had maybe two or three times where 3G was garbage. My complaints come in the form of having full signal strength but continually dropped calls for no reason while sitting in the same spot for hours at a time.
Absolutely. But in my case, "my area" is almost the entire State of FL.
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Exactly. Come to Dallas/Ft. Worth and you will hear nothing but complaints. Our company jumped ship from AT&T back in September. Went from 10+ complaints daily about dropped calls, slow data, no data, etc. to maybe 1 complaint a week. That's on 250+ data and voice lines. Probably different story in Florida where BellSouth was around for AGES before AT&T took over if I'm not mistaken.

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Sprint?

iPhone... with my Simply Everything Plan = Sweetness

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Re: Sprint?

that would be nice. the bosses want iphones, but don't want to drop sprint.

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Losing iPhone exclusivity.. or Apple creating a CDMA version

AT&T could lose the iPhone today, and there would be no difference, as Apple designed the iPhones to run on:
GSM/EDGE 850/900/1800/1900 and WCDMA (3g) 850/1900/2100

T-Mobile supports the GSM/EDGE 1900
Verizon and Sprint don't support any of it.

If (when?) Apple builds an iPhone 'just' for Sprint or VZW, then they will have access to it (CDMA 1x/EVDO carriers aren't growing much)

If (when?) Apple were to have the chipset support AWS (should be an easy task, relatively), T-Mobile could have the iPhone.

Unless Apple is going to manufacture a new iPhone (current is based on previous models), the chip maker for the radio end will have to bend, and make a physical/pin compatible CDMA 1x/EVDO chip, with ESN / ANSI core vs. IMEI/MAP core used on GSM.

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kleinml

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The whole Cell phone / Carrier specific model is a Flaw.

The cell phone should be a 2 part device. One side is the GUI and Memory and software features the other is a Modular Hardware segment. Slide the Network card in for the Carrier of your choice and your on that network. When I buy a laptop I have a choice of methods of connecting that device to the network I choose. I can use an Ethernet plug or Wifi and connect to any ISP. or I can go to any Cell provider and buy a card to stick in my laptop and get online. I can't understand why the cellphone hardware makers are limiting themselves with Exclusivity deals that really only limit the amount of people who can get your hardware.

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Re: The whole Cell phone / Carrier specific model is a Flaw.

said by kleinml:

The cell phone should be a 2 part device. One side is the GUI and Memory and software features the other is a Modular Hardware segment. Slide the Network card in for the Carrier of your choice and your on that network. When I buy a laptop I have a choice of methods of connecting that device to the network I choose. I can use an Ethernet plug or Wifi and connect to any ISP. or I can go to any Cell provider and buy a card to stick in my laptop and get online. I can't understand why the cellphone hardware makers are limiting themselves with Exclusivity deals that really only limit the amount of people who can get your hardware.
Yeah, I'd like to see something like this too. A standardized "radio module" connector, maybe under a cover in all cell phones, netbooks and tablets, and compatible radio modules for each carrier which is what the carrier would provide when a service contract is signed or pre-paid service purchased.

Josh1581

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Sprint?

Sprint customer service might suck, but how about a 4g wimax/3g cdma dual mode iPhone?

Their customer service still leaves something to be desired, but it's not nearly as bad as it was before. Plus, their data plan pricing is extremely fair.

I get good coverage most places, good prices, but lackluster customer service. 2/3 ain't bad.

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Re: Sprint?

What about a Nextel iDEN/WiDEN iPhone while we're at it ?
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Re: Sprint?

Maybe they could just make an app for that!

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AT&T DIE

I hope they die after that happens from a massive bleeding of their customer base
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Ipad

If verizon is charging dbl ETF's for Smartphones what will the fee be to cancel service on a IPAD 3000.00?
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Apple defends AT&T as a partner downplays talk of mult-carr

»www.appleinsider.com/articles/10···ner.html

I guess so many stuff keeps coming out... We'll have to wait this Wednesday..

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Not exciting.

At work there are tons of problems with iphone cell reception. The other day I witnessed a bold call a flipphone fine, and a bold call an iPhone which went to voicemail.

All were AT&T.

It aint the network.
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I don't expect CDMA iphone

Both Bell Canada and Telus have already abandonned CDMA and setup a 3G GSM network that they are now pitching.

Tmobile and MetroPCS and others are GSM operators who could get the iphone.

And I wouldn't be surprised to hear Verizon announce they would deploy HSPA network to get access to all the fancy phones and prepare for LTE. Steve Jobs might make such an announcement this week, with the iphone coming to Verizon next year or something like that.

Or perhaps Jobs might announce they are woking on LTE support and it will become available on Verizon as soon as they turn on their LTE network (bypassing HSPA step that Bell/Telus took between CDMA and LTE)

Remember that Verizon is partly owned by Vodaphone who would very much like to have a roaming partner in the USA.

By dropping CDMA sooner rather than later, Verizon would also inflict serious pain on Sprint because the selection of phones available for CDMA would go down even faster than it is now. Sprint, which had delayed deciding what to do with its incompatible networks (netxtel and its own) would be forced to spend megabucks to upgrade/combine both sooner than planned and it may not have the money for it.

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Re: I don't expect CDMA iphone

It's trivial to get CDMA in the iPhone.

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Re: I don't expect CDMA iphone

said by fifty nine:

It's trivial to get CDMA in the iPhone.
Yes but with all the major carriers moving away with CDMA, it may not be feasible to do so if they can wait a year or two and give LTE or HSPA coverage. If they do that means spending more money to engineer another model with CDMA chips, added support costs for the new carriers and then risking the chance that those carriers will launch a new network in 1 or 2 years. Worldwide, they are already making vasts amounts of revenue since many of the other countries do not use CDMA.
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tomz17

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Re: I don't expect CDMA iphone

The majority of US cellular users use CDMA!

CDMA networks aren't going away in a year or two. You will see LTE deployments in large cities as overlays to existing cdma networks, but nationwide CDMA coverage will remain for the better part of the next decade (if not longer).

There's hundreds of millions to be made on a CDMA iphone during that time. It's stupid to believe that engineering costs of a few hundred thousand would deter apple from releasing a CDMA iPhone as soon as they are contractually allowed to do so! In fact, looking historically at the Apple produce development cycle, I'd bet any amount of money that a CDMA prototype iPhone already exists.

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Re: I don't expect CDMA iphone

Prototype maybe, production we'll see. Canada is already over 90% HSPA coverage and that's in existing CDMA areas. The US will be slower but I anticipate they will start rolling out much quicker.
ChampUz

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Re: I don't expect CDMA iphone

IF this NEW IPHONE 4g SUPPORTS TMOBILE, The moment it gets released, I will get Wind mobile (Since both of there 3g networks operate on the same frequency )

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