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Hey, is that......a link to The Pirate Bay, in the story itself? I thought BBR didn't DO that.
Anyway, it's pretty clear that Obama is in bed with the content industry (he's hired a number of their lawyers and lobbyists -- and look at the gift he gave the UK prime minister), so it's not surprising that when they say Frog, the FBI jumps. | |
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Re: Hey, is that...said by russotto:...a link to The Pirate Bay, in the story itself? I thought BBR didn't DO that. Anyway, it's pretty clear that Obama is in bed with the content industry (he's hired a number of their lawyers and lobbyists -- and look at the gift he gave the UK prime minister), so it's not surprising that when they say Frog, the FBI jumps. Any president would be in bed with the content industry. | |
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Re: Hey, is that...Your statement should be "Any president that takes tons of campaign money from the MPAA/Hollywood would be in bed with the content industry." Obama is Hollywood's whore and this must be what they get in return. | |
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Re: Hey, is that...said by matrix3D:Your statement should be "Any president that takes tons of campaign money from the MPAA/Hollywood would be in bed with the content industry." Obama is Hollywood's whore and this must be what they get in return. Any is a reference to ALL | |
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Re: Hey, is that...LOL, I cannot tell if you are being sarcastic or not. | |
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Re: Hey, is that...Most of what is on P2P networks leaks from the studios or their contractors so this nothing new. We wouldn't even know about this if some FBI manager hadn't gone all Jack Bauer on the datacenter.
What I want to know is why this site continues to allow clear off-topic political trolling on the front page? | |
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They better not bitch anymore when we post direct links for downloads. | |
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Leaked by Bit Torrent?It was leaked by someone using Bit Torrent. The summary makes it sound like the BitTorrent creators did it, LOL.
I'm sure they will catch where it came from, given the watermarks in the film, but that just means someone else innocent will probably get in trouble, probably a non-technical person I imagine. | |
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Re: Leaked by Bit Torrent?The summary makes it sound like the BitTorrent creators did it, LOL. Really? "Leaked via BitTorrent" infers Bram Cohen leaked the Wolverine working print? No sure I see that. | |
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said by knightmb:I'm sure they will catch where it came from, given the watermarks in the film, but that just means someone else innocent will probably get in trouble Assuming watermarks are tied to specific people/offices, I don't imagine it will take a rocket scientist to determine the culprit. | |
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Re: Leaked by Bit Torrent?"Assuming watermarks are tied to specific people/offices, I don't imagine it will take a rocket scientist to determine the culprit."
I'd imagine that the watermarks (those rust colored dots that are annoying as hell and in every damn movie nowdays) are pretty easy to beat. All anyone would have to do is edit out the marked frames in any video editor, re-render the file and upload it. Voila! A copy with no fingerprints! | |
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Re: Leaked by Bit Torrent?Film water marks are much more sophisticated now. The water marks are in places that you wouldn't know to look (like an extra eye lash in a series of frames of a person's face) and can identify right down to the screen the film was shown on. | |
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said by knightmb:It was leaked by someone using Bit Torrent. The summary makes it sound like the BitTorrent creators did it, LOL. That makes about as much sense as assuming that the makers of Colt pistols shot a victim when the news reports say: "Victim was shot by somebody using a Colt pistol". | |
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Re: Leaked by Bit Torrent?said by NormanS:said by knightmb:It was leaked by someone using Bit Torrent. The summary makes it sound like the BitTorrent creators did it, LOL. That makes about as much sense as assuming that the makers of Colt pistols shot a victim when the news reports say: "Victim was shot by somebody using a Colt pistol". The summary was changed since I made the comment. | |
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Even the changed title "Leaked via Bit Torrent" is not entirely correct. It is not the only place where the Wolverine movie can be found; it is also on Usenet, IRC, and on hosting services such as Rapidshare. And this is after it went through top sites and FTP dumps, which get pirated material first before it ever reaches torrent sites.
So it would be more accurate to say it was leaked to Bit Torrent, and just about everywhere else on the Internet where copyrighted content is traded. | |
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Re: Leaked by Bit Torrent?It was not originally released by the scene (although most pirated digital material gets out like that). I don't know what the original source is, but it could be a bit torrent tracker. | |
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Hell has no fury.....Like an MPAA member getting screwed out of some money. In this case I am on the studio's side. But the FBI is like a elephant in a women's panty shop. What do you bet it was a insider working at the studio that posted the working copy. | |
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Re: Hell has no fury.....Hmmm must have been the elephant wearing a blue thong that leaked it. | |
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Well you were close. If you don't know this it came out after J Edgar Hoover's death he was a transvestite. P.S. Click the image to make it bigger | |
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Maybe the Studio should prosecute itself for allowing the movie to be leaked. | |
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Why?Who would want to watch an unfinished copy anyways? | |
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Re: Why?said by Robert:Who would want to watch an unfinished copy anyways? Millions apparently! | |
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Re: Why?Far, far more. No doubt the film is circulating in any number of BT swarms, on ed2k, usenet and other networks. It's not measurable. | |
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Re: Why?With the increase in circulation caused by the MPAA making sure that this was as high profile an issue as possible.
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Re: Why?said by Noah Vail:With the increase in circulation caused by the MPAA making sure that this was as high profile an issue as possible. Which is why the rather cynical suspicion that it may have been an intentional viral/promo leak cannot be ruled out. | |
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Yea. I would have never have known about it if they didn't freak out and let everyone know. | |
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said by Noah Vail:With the increase in circulation caused by the MPAA making sure that this was as high profile an issue as possible. NV yea the MPAA and the RIAA both have not yet learned that high profile and big press releases work against them in cases like this. | |
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Oh, believe me, that 24k number is nowhere near how many people already have it, have watched it, and will watch it.
That's not even including copies which leaked on a number of private trackers hours before it went up on public places. | |
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Who will all then go onto online forums and complain about how lousy the movie is... because it's unfinished. | |
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Re: Why?said by Rogue Wolf:Who will all then go onto online forums and complain about how lousy the movie is... because it's unfinished. » Re: Why? | |
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said by Robert:Who would want to watch an unfinished copy anyways? That and who would actually watch this movie in a crappy quality on their computer and be happy with it? I know I am going to see this movie in the theater when it comes out. I wouldn't waste my time with downloading even a cam version of this movie in full much the less an unfinished copy. I guess the quality of the movie means more to me than saving a few bucks. If I really want to see it, I will just spend the money and do so. | |
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said by Robert:Who would want to watch an unfinished copy anyways? Go to your local car stereo shop and purchase one of the handheld camera bootlegs they sell. If they'll watch that crap, they'll watch this. | |
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Re: Why?Apparently, it's DVD quality. Tell ya later...lol. | |
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said by Matt3:said by Robert:Who would want to watch an unfinished copy anyways? Go to your local car stereo shop and purchase one of the handheld camera bootlegs they sell. If they'll watch that crap, they'll watch this. they sell bootlegs in car stereo shops where you live? up here in nj usually all you have to do is go eat at a fast food restaurant and some asian person carrying a huge bag will approach you and ask 'you want buy cd/mp3/dvd?' | |
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said by Robert:Who would want to watch an unfinished copy anyways? It was actually interested to see the movie without all the fuzz of Special FX, etc. I wasn't going to see it anyway, but after watching the rough version, it's still half-way descent enough to actually make me want to go see it at the theater with all the cool special FX in it. Just goes to show that a movie with a plot and no special FX can be better than the most expensive movie with Special FX that is too boring *cough* Speed Racer *cough* | |
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This could be a "booker's" copy.
These are used by people who buy movies for the theaters and book them for whatever amount of time they think it will play.
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What made the FBI investigate is a separate issue. If they have a warrant, however procured, that's not "with no reason." Considering how easy it is to purge evidence, they needed to move fast. If I was Simpson, I'd be trying to get the backups duplicated so I could get my clients back online. I'm sure he's cooperating to expedite that process. | |
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Re: blogs = spinI think it's time to pass a law limiting seizures to things that cannot be copied. Open ended warrants to seize any computer equipment cause more harm than help to society. | |
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Re: blogs = spinsaid by birdfeedr:What made the FBI investigate is a separate issue. If they have a warrant, however procured, that's not "with no reason." Warrants based on bad testimony? Never! » www.scribd.com/doc/13974 ··· down=pdfquote: You would expect this kind of totalitarian stormtrooper activity in the name of the war on drugs, the war on terror, or etc. But the United States Federal Bureau of Investigation actually did NO investigation. They took the statements of two exemployees of the company, one of which was fired for drug use, and the other of which was also fired...and has a pending FBI investigation against him that he is desperately trying to snitch his way out of...by making up crazy stories about his past employer.
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A film worth it?said by Karl :
If true, it begs the question whether the revenues of a film studio are worth disrupting the revenue streams, connectivity, and 911 services for dozens of other companies. Absolutely not. | |
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If they were smart...All of these promotional DVD copies of movies that are sent out for people to watch, they would encode each with a unique code so that when they get leaked, could be traced back to the source.
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It would be pretty insane if they are going to raid datacenters and charge the owners and employees rather than just show up with a legal notice requiring the datacenter to take down the offending box and hand it over. As well as provide copies of any available logs.
If this is really connected to Wolverine, it makes no sense. If it is connected to any customer content, it makes no sense. These actions only make sense if Matthew Simpson was directly involved in some kind of digital crime syndicate that he was running out of his datacenters. | |
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Have money, get serviceOur gov't is the best money can buy. All I see is people crying for the poor MPAA member's possible losses. If this was caused by the movie investigation what about Core IP's losses and their customers' losses? Who is going to reimburse them when they're found to not be involved in the slightest? Perhaps Core IP would be spared such callous action and have Senators and Representatives calling on their behalf if they contributed as much to Federal campaigns as the MPAA does. said by FBI : The FBI isn't commenting on specifics but said it could take several days to restore the servers of the affected companies. Officials say they could speed up their analysis of the web servers if the affected companies would contact them.
Wow, how generous of them. God forbid they get off their lazy asses and "speed up analysis" without being begged by decimated companies. | |
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CBS news report has no mention to movie investigationUser Qumahlin See Profile submits this CBS news report, claiming a raid on a Dallas data center is part of this investigation. The CBS news story link has no mention at all of a tie-in to the leaked movie. Neither does the Blog entry of Simpson. Maybe they chgd the story in later versions of the link provided. » cbs11tv.com/local/Core.I ··· 706.html» sites.google.com/site/mn ··· ec/index | |
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I smell crap!The movie, by most accounts on the web - sucks! Yeah, it's unfinished and all, but it's a dog. I'm betting someone is trying to weasel out of paying back the investor's money... Leaked... yeah, sure. How convenient. | |
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hmmmmm....If this is a "copyright" issue, why are the FBI involved? Are copyright violations now "criminal"? did they have subpoenas? Just fishing or what. I find it annoying that law enforcement is being used for private means. wasting scant resources.Peace | |
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said by woody7:Are copyright violations now "criminal"? Always have been. | |
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PrioritiesHow come the fbi will go all out to stop people who leak movies but wont stop companies who scalp tickets? If the artist sets the price what right do people have to buy all the tickets up and charge over 10 times the amount? As long as big business is on the big money end there's no problem, but as soon as they feel they are getting short changed its time to call in the government. | |
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I love the PR spin lies.First they say they removed it from the internet, but its called bit torrent so its not removed.
Then they go on saying all the loss of money because of the release, without NO actual ticket sales yet from the movie.
To make it even more comical they say FBI is investigating and can be traced with a watermark. Boy I bet all those thousands of Screeners and workprints already on the internet can attest to how good that works..lol
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The MPAA leaked it themselvesThink about it. What better way to get publicity about "cracking" down on piracy than to leak your product and then have it blasted all over the news that the FBI is seizing property.
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The Xmen movies were a joke period!Not true to the story line, almost everyone I know didnt like the movies. Thought they were a waste of time and money. So yeah could be a whole stunt by the producers.
On another not one of my other frequenting forums I am a part of had an attack of 1200 bots from Amazon.com's cloud service. I wonder if this has anything to do with it. | |
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StuntThis is pure BS, 20th Century Fox leaked the movie themselves, just think about it, you watch a pre-release movie, missing special effects, unfinished CGI, IF and I say IF the movie is good people will pay for sure to watch the final version. This is a staged stunt to promote the movie. Software makers do that all the time, they leak a limited or missing features version, people download it, use it, but at the end buy it for the complete application. I will watch the movie and probably buy the HDVDV. | |
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There's no such thing as a free lunch.No one here would work for free, why should anyone else?
Getting 'free' movies will get us no where in the long run. If profits cease, content will suffer. What kind of movies will we be left with there's no money in it for the studio's or independants?
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xmenWatch this all be a publicity stunt by the producers to get more people to notice the movie. I don't think they'll ever find the person either. The people that do this type of stuff aren't just average joes that walk down the street. Someone probably hacked into their systems and pulled it out. Anything could happen if its digital. | |
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