way2evil Premium Member join:2007-09-14 New York, NY |
way2evil
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2011-Jun-10 10:23 am
About timeIts taken long enough to kill the stupid SMS pricing schemes. | |
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en103
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2011-Jun-10 11:06 am
Re: About timeI agree.... $15 for unlimited SMS/MMS only - limited to 160 characters vs. $25 for 2GB of data (which includes email / IM / http / and just about anything else ) | |
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Re: About timecould go back to 50cents per message or $15 for 125 messages? I'm sure you'd be happy with that? Maybe taking the data cost out of your voice minute plan again? hmm...seems like a good idea from a carrier stand point. Be glad that they don't do that anymore or as Sprint used to- charge you even to talk to Customer Service or make you talk to Clare. | |
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doh
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2011-Jun-10 6:35 pm
Re: About timeThey can charge whatever. There are many free SMS apps out there. Google Voice for one! said by hottboiinnc4:could go back to 50cents per message or $15 for 125 messages? I'm sure you'd be happy with that? Maybe taking the data cost out of your voice minute plan again? hmm...seems like a good idea from a carrier stand point. Be glad that they don't do that anymore or as Sprint used to- charge you even to talk to Customer Service or make you talk to Clare. | |
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kapilThe Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL |
kapil
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2011-Jun-10 10:38 am
All Your Base.......are belong to IP. All proprietary, limited ways of transmitting media will eventually die off. Also, I've been using IM on mobile phones since the 90's...just because the fanboys and teeny boppers have discovered it doesn't mean it's a new invention. | |
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Re: All Your Base...said by kapil:....are belong to IP. All proprietary, limited ways of transmitting media will eventually die off. Also, I've been using IM on mobile phones since the 90's...just because the fanboys and teeny boppers have discovered it doesn't mean it's a new invention. Yes but IM back then and until a few years ago was based off SMS, not data. | |
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kapil
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2011-Jun-10 11:30 am
Re: All Your Base...Not all. There were certain third party IM clients that did that. AOL/AIM did, and still does, IM forwarding via SMS....but I've used native IM apps that use data since the 90's. | |
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| south1178 Premium Member join:2001-12-17 Cleveland, OH |
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Other than BB Messenger, I've never heard of any that only use data. | |
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| | kapilThe Kapil join:2000-04-26 Chicago, IL |
kapil
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2011-Jun-10 11:45 am
Re: All Your Base...Blackberry has had native apps for AIM/MSN/Yahoo/ICQ/Gtalk for ages. AIM and MSN IM apps have existed for Windows Mobile and Palm for well over a decade now. All IP. | |
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| Matt3All noise, no signal. Premium Member join:2003-07-20 Jamestown, NC |
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2011-Jun-10 12:55 pm
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said by kapil:....are belong to IP. All proprietary, limited ways of transmitting media will eventually die off. Also, I've been using IM on mobile phones since the 90's...just because the fanboys and teeny boppers have discovered it doesn't mean it's a new invention. What is the universal standard for IM again, the one where it doesn't matter what phone I have? | |
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kapil
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2011-Jun-10 2:59 pm
Re: All Your Base... | |
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Matt3
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2011-Jun-10 3:11 pm
Re: All Your Base...Not quite. You still have to subscribe to the chat "service" or know what the person's address at a competing chat service is, even if they are compatible or make use of the XMPP protocol. With SMS, it doesn't matter what wireless provider they are on, you just need to know their phone number. IM has a long way to go before it will overtake SMS. | |
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rsmith7 Premium Member join:2003-03-11 San Diego, CA |
rsmith7
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2011-Jun-10 11:53 am
Stupid SMSI think in my five years of smart phones, maybe the phone company has received about $3.00 in donations towards SMS messages. The thought that I have to pay for access to this sideband channel the phone company used in the past is ludicrous.
Go IM, BB messanger, iMessage and Google Voice. | |
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n2jtx join:2001-01-13 Glen Head, NY |
n2jtx
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2011-Jun-10 11:55 am
Said No to SMSBack when various lawsuits over SMS charges forced T-Mobile to offer SMS blocking, I took it. Never had a use for it as I had been using IM almost exclusively. Occasionally I would get an SMS from a family member and that would cost $.20 to receive and $.20 to reply. Now not only do I still us IM but also the free texting services such as TextFree.us and TextPlus. I cannot do short codes but I do not really care.
Of course the carriers can protect the cash cow by mandating that all plans MUST carry an SMS bucket and require you to pay for it. They can still advertise voice plans such as:
Only $29.99* a month for 1000 minutes voice!
* minimum 400 message SMS bundle required at $10/month plus taxes, fees and executive bonus fund charges. | |
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AlexNYC
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2011-Jun-10 12:04 pm
SMS is a ripoffAt 20c to 25c each this a complete cash grab and a total ripoff. Sure you can get a monthly plan, but compared to the amount of data transfered it is still way too unreasonable. RIP SMS! | |
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QLR join:2009-06-23 Tallahassee, FL |
QLR
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2011-Jun-10 12:11 pm
oh really...On Verizon feature phones and T-Mobile prepaid phones, the use of the built in IM on the phone incurs message fees (or use of the appropriate bucket). If I download an app that uses IM over data, then no messaging use apply. | |
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DryvlyneFar Beyond Driven Premium Member join:2004-08-30 Newark, OH |
Dryvlyne
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2011-Jun-10 1:06 pm
Doesn't matterIt doesn't really matter if the SMS cash cow is even dying because "carriers are anticipating this lost revenue by killing off unlimited data plans and lowering the caps and pushing per byte overages."
So basically if it does indeed die off then the carriers already have a backup plan in place and if it doesn't die off then they can continue to have their cake & eat it to by continuing to charge for it separately from data. | |
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Re: Doesn't mattersaid by Dryvlyne:It doesn't really matter if the SMS cash cow is even dying because "carriers are anticipating this lost revenue by killing off unlimited data plans and lowering the caps and pushing per byte overages."
So basically if it does indeed die off then the carriers already have a backup plan in place and if it doesn't die off then they can continue to have their cake & eat it to by continuing to charge for it separately from data. yup it's a win win for the carrier and a lose lose for the consumer. like always.... | |
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Re: Doesn't matterSMS is not data traffic. It is a message stuffed into the same control channel that is used to signal incoming voice calls and other network-related things. It is much more efficient for the carrier than application data, which requires a ton of overhead to set up an actual data call (comparable to a voice call). SMS is always in its own pool and and not billed as data. | |
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the plans where not unlimited any ways. | |
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True, and it will get worse when they start charging per-application using software to detect what is being sent inside the data. They'll charge more for IM traffic, Video traffic, etc, as has been mentioned here in the past. | |
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Unlimited messaging...For one dollar a month.
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stupid peoplepaying 25 cents per text is just about as stupid as a dumb stump. | |
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BiggA Premium Member join:2005-11-23 Central CT |
BiggA
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2011-Jun-10 8:21 pm
Not gonna happenPeople still need a universal way to text, and IP services are not nearly as reliable as the control channel of a circuit-switched network. | |
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| pnjunctionTeksavvy Extreme Premium Member join:2008-01-24 Toronto, ON |
Re: Not gonna happenRight well better tell the engineers designing and implementing LTE networks to get back to the drawing board then? It's all packet-switched IP.
The pricing of SMS that is even more like data will just be even more of a farce. | |
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BiggA
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2011-Jun-11 10:41 pm
Re: Not gonna happenI doubt we're going to see all-IP for a long, long time. I predict CDMA and UMTS will still be carrying voice in 20 years. This VoLTE stuff just doesn't sound like it's going to work right off the bat. No other VoIP has provided the same reliability as circuit switched voice, even if some implementations, like Skype can sometimes produce spectacular results. | |
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AT&T has taken a different approach.They require you to have unlimited SMS to receive the unlimited mobile to any mobile plan. To some this may not matter, but to me and the 5 lines I have on my account, this unlimited mobile to any mobile comes in handy since we talk to people on Sprint, Verizon and T-Mobile quite often. If I drop the unlimited texting, I would end up having to raise my minute plan. I also wish Google Voice would allow MMS already | |
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