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| Re: When pirate sites hide overseas, ISP blocking only way said by LiamJunket  :... So, the only way to attack these sites is thru national controls over ISPs, ... alright! a strong vote for regulation.
I propose we regulate the telecoms to ensure buildout to all consumers and robust competition.
I eagerly await your agreement. | |
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: When pirate sites hide overseas, ISP blocking only way The phrases "regulation" and "robust competition" are mutually exclusive. | |
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| Re: When pirate sites hide overseas, ISP blocking only way said by jester121 :The phrases "regulation" and "robust competition" are mutually exclusive. only in the minds of laissez-faire capitalists.
lack of regulation/deregulation certainly has not given us "robust competition" in the US broadband market. | |
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| Can't argue with Israel In this particular situation, I'd have to say that it's up to Israel what to choose what to allow entrance into their country's networks. For example, if they have the right to ban pineapples from entering their physical borders, what's so different about banning certain Internet traffic?
Mind you, I also see the need for network neutrality (within reason), but in this particular situation I feel it's fair for Israel to close their "int3rn3tz t00bz" to whatever they wish. I'd prefer that they limit this kind of censorship to stuff that's actually illegal under their laws, but...
We have to learn to respect the sovereign rights of other nations. Failure to do so has cost countless sums of money and thousands of soldiers' lives in Iraq, and is also why most other countries currently despise us (the USA).
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1 edit | Re: Can't argue with Israel said by Done_Posting :In this particular situation, I'd have to say that it's up to Israel what to choose what to allow entrance into their country's networks. For example, if they have the right to ban pineapples from entering their physical borders, what's so different about banning certain Internet traffic? Mind you, I also see the need for network neutrality (within reason), but in this particular situation I feel it's fair for Israel to close their "int3rn3tz t00bz" to whatever they wish. I'd prefer that they limit this kind of censorship to stuff that's actually illegal under their laws, but... We have to learn to respect the sovereign rights of other nations. Failure to do so has cost countless sums of money and thousands of soldiers' lives in Iraq, and is also why most other countries currently despise us (the USA). - Tate Respecting sovereignty is one thing... No one is saying that we should go to war with Israel over this... But thinking that this is a BAD policy is fine and not an infringement on sovereignty.
Lets also not forget that Iraq was INVADED not because it wasn't "sovereign" but because Bush claimed there was WMDs. While I agree with you, I think you're mixing up two different things. Saudi Arabia stones people to death for the stupidest things... Do we invade them? No... But we can speak out against it.
This is why I'm glad I live in the U.S.... No matter what anyone says, the Government can't infringe on our right to free speech. They can try, but they're going to lose. Other nations don't usually have these provisions in their Constitutions.
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| Re: Can't argue with Israel said by Tzale :This is why I'm glad I live in the U.S.... No matter what anyone says, the Government can't infringe on our right to free speech. They can try, but they're going to lose. Other nations don't usually have these provisions in their Constitutions. -Tzale Where have you been the past 8 years?
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| Re: Can't argue with Israel said by LiamJunket :Since you are in here posting anti-admin comments all the time, how has your free speech rights been limited? If they were limited, as you claim, you would be in prison instead of spouting as usual. The same place he should end up when he gets busted for the activities he tries to hide behind "free speech". I'm not perfect, but when I do something wrong, I take responsibility for it. I don't get defensive and blame the government, RIAA, etc. for being "evil" as if it somehow excuses my actions. | |
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| Speech may be "free" but it's no longer private..
the government seems to feel that all speech needs to recorded, itemized and stored. What do you think is next???
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| Re: Can't argue with Israel You need to dig deeper. "Free speech zones" have existed for far longer than 8 years.
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_speec···#History
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| Re: Can't argue with Israel Well if Wiki says so, then it must be true and accurate!
You just keep on thinking that one, buddy.
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1 edit | Re: Can't argue with Israel said by major marco :Well if Wiki says so, then it must be true and accurate!You just keep on thinking that one, buddy. So if i posted links from Google then, you would also claim them to be inaccurate?
The fact is "free speech zones" have existed long before Bush took office. Furthermore, local police departments routinely keep opposing protesters physically blocked from interacting with one another. It is nothing more than a matter of maintaining public order while allowing for people to engage in their rights to peacefully criticize the government.
Just because most of the population of this country acts as if it was born on 01/20/2001 doesn't change this simple fact.
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| Re: Can't argue with Israel said by Tzale :They can try to take our rights away, but if you get a good lawyer, you can tell them to go screw themselves. -Tzale Because that worked so well for Sibel Edmonds, didn't it. | |
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| Re: Can't argue with Israel said by woody7 :what it had to do with is that "bush" wants to have the perception that that there are/is no one against him. If you are going to protest you have to do it someplace else or you are relegated to a spot where no one can see...The article was not about the "patriot act" or whatever name it goes by. It was about our most basic freedom, that we have the right to protest and how it is slowly be subverted.What is really troubling is this president espoused to be strong "constitutionalist" and has done more irreparable harm to it than any other president in history.What is happening here is as bad as in Israel. Knee jerk reaction on steroids. blatant censorship. I don't condone piracy, but... The Constitution is the most sacred document in this land... I agree 100% that we need to defend it... But all I'm saying is that the government THINKS they can step on our rights, but the people will NOT allow them to do so... I REFUSE to let them step on my rights. So far they have not. If they ever do, I will be sure to fight them.
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| Re: Can't argue with Israel so spying/intercepting your email/phone calls by any telecom, that was probably strong armed at a minimum without legal due process is not stepping on your (all of us) right(s)? What exactly do you consider stepping on, I am curious? The people have allowed them, in their belief that they are being protected. Except for a few news broadcasts, where is the uproar? The real problem is that the so called democracies around the world are chipping slowly away at the rights of it's citizens, and for the most part they are like sheep. Blocking a website, just because a judge says so is censorship, plain and simple, Peace
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| Re: Can't argue with Israel said by woody7 :so spying/intercepting your email/phone calls by any telecom, that was probably strong armed at a minimum without legal due process is not stepping on your (all of us) right(s)? What exactly do you consider stepping on, I am curious? The people have allowed them, in their belief that they are being protected. Except for a few news broadcasts, where is the uproar? The real problem is that the so called democracies around the world are chipping slowly away at the rights of it's citizens, and for the most part they are like sheep. Blocking a website, just because a judge says so is censorship, plain and simple, Peace Well my actions haven't been limited yet... I don't know what is going on behind the scenes, but so far I have been able to say what I want and not have men in black suits take me away. 
If the government here starts censoring websites, that would be an infringement on my rights.
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| Fair enough.
I agree with your statement that there's nothing wrong with speaking out against censorship, I just want it to be known that I do not support taking action (military or otherwise) against another country simply because they do not hold the same beliefs about freedom that we do. I realize I'm veering off topic, so I'll leave it at that.
This is why I'm glad I live in the U.S.... No matter what anyone says, the Government can't infringe on our right to free speech. They can try, but they're going to lose. I'm not so sure I agree with this. It's true that we have constitutional rights to speak out against whatever we want, but these days the constitution "is just a god damned piece of paper" the government is using to wipe its ass with. That's why I'm so disgusted with anyone who has not (or will not) vote for Ron Paul. Morons.
Sorry for the rant, fellow DSLR members. I'll step off my soapbox now!
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| In his farewell address, George Washington warned against entangling alliances with the outside world. His words were headed by a century of American presidents. Today, however, the United States is thoroughly entangled in a web of commitments throughout the world, and especially the Middle East.
The US is slated to spend 12 billion this month on the Iraq war. In a way, we've brought this on ourselves by violating what in Star Trek they call the "Prime Directive", which, BTW, is not bad advice, by meddling in the affairs of foreign nations and by giving the WMDs and the knowledge to build more WMDs.
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| said by Done_Posting :We have to learn to respect the sovereign rights of other nations. Failure to do so has cost countless sums of money and thousands of soldiers' lives in Iraq, and is also why most other countries currently despise us (the USA). - Tate Bravo! Bravo! Linking Israel blocking some sites to Iraq War! Amazing, in a freakish kind of way. Someone has to come up with a version of Godwin's Law for the Iraq War. 
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| Re: Can't argue with Israel said by JSRoman :said by Done_Posting :We have to learn to respect the sovereign rights of other nations. Failure to do so has cost countless sums of money and thousands of soldiers' lives in Iraq, and is also why most other countries currently despise us (the USA). - Tate Bravo! Bravo! Linking Israel blocking some sites to Iraq War! Amazing, in a freakish kind of way. Someone has to come up with a version of Godwin's Law for the Iraq War. In Usenet terminology, that would be an example of an
Iraq Meta-Godwin.
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| between the lines I think there is more to this story than meets the eye. you see, Israel gets commercial music and movie content legally released weeks, sometimes Months after Europe and the US. This fact obviously encourages piracy, so people are selling new movies on the streets of Tel Aviv a Month before they are in the local Theaters. I'm guessing the Israeli's made a deal for the ISP's to discourage piracy, if the music and movie Moguls moved up the time tables on their titles getting released inside Israel. I doubt Israel is simply blocking for some altruistic reason especially when their current laws do not support such action. | |
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| Re: Lame attempt at blocking; also best publicity said by Doctor Four :If this is like other ISP blocking of Torrent sites, there are ways around such. Encryption, and use of alternative DNS means such blocks are completely ineffective. And until Israel decided to block it, no one had ever heard of httpshare. Now watch as traffic at the site skyrockets. Like the Danish Pirate Bay block and the Wikileaks incident, efforts of this sort to censor parts of the Internet backfire horribly. You got it right... | |
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| What's next? What's next?
Political sites?
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Religious sites?
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Sites that have books that are controversial?
I keep hearing that phrase...
"The road to hell is paved with good intentions" 
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| Okay, I'll say it - DON'T CENSOR ME, I'm not being racist Given the disproportionate number of Jews in the media industries is it really any wonder that the Jewish State would pass a law that benefits said industries...duh.
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Israel Latest To Force ISPs To Block Piracy
When pirate sites hide overseas, ISP blocking only way
