| |gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
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BullS There still using the pc, its just a lot smaller, and called a PDA or a smartphone.
| |KoolMoeAw ManPremium
Re: BullS From the consumer side, I could maybe see where the prediction is going. But to say 'no PCs' is ridiculous. I didn't RTFA, so unless they've got this qualifier in there already, there will still and always be a large market for developers. No one is going to want to develop sites, applications, and other multimedia on tiny handhelds!
Until VR or holographic interfaces are devised, PCs are not entirely 'going away'.
On the other hand, if a small mobile device can be connected to a KVM, then ok...maybe...but then is that really not a 'PC'? Semantics...?
Re: BullS I can't use cells and PDA's to view web sites or email - screen is just too small for my crappy eyes. I would rather have a day planner for appts - thankfully I don't have many and instead keep track on Outlook.
| |ftthzIf love can kill hate can also save
could be a trend in areas will good celluar networks would need a better cell phone network before this would happen in other parts of the world
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Re: could be a trend in areas will good celluar networks
said by ftthz:I would also add... and a broadband policy in the U.S. on par with the rest of the world, but I don't ever see that happening either, so as long as the U.S. pays the most $$$$$$$$$ for the least k/bps, we'll always have big clunky, pcs and the rest of the world will have wrist watch sized pcs with superior connectivity. We are the only developed country in the world in last place for broadband just like we are the only developed country whose healthcare is behind the rest of the world.
would need a better cell phone network before this would happen in other parts of the world
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16 months isn't that long... 4 Quarters are really not that long. In the past, we have seen a huge spurt of PC growth as more people got computers, or upgraded really old ones.
PC's are at the point now, where a majority of them will serve the normal user for years. If you just do E-mail / Office Work / basic Video Conference, you do not need a new computer ever 1 year 4 months.
PC sales has always been on a cycle. The PC Speeds are increasing, but not at a pace that makes the home user "need" to keep up.
Mobile devices will continue to grow, but home PC's will contue to sell. Majority will most likely be laptops / game systems as the PC Home Appliance movement continues.
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PC functionality is being absorbed by game consoles and home media centers for in home use and for video, music, and game playing on the internet that need big screen monitors.
U.S. starting to see trend as well
And on the road, laptops are being replaced by smart phones; iPod Touch like devices; and other small multi-media devices with small screens.
While it may take a decade or more, the traditional desktop and laptop personal computer with a "do every type of application" functionality is being replaced by more function specific devices.
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| |gaforcesUnited We Stand, Divided We Fall
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Re: U.S. starting to see trend as well I would still consider all those things a PC.
It's true that the desktop computer is much less popular now. Most people I know that arent gamers, use a laptop now, and even some gamers use a laptop sometimes.
In 1999 I was at the comdex keynote speech for Bill Gates. What I remember was him saying that the desktop was going away and we would use much smaller specialized devices.
They summarized the speech, its not exactly what he said there ... »www.microsoft.com/misc/features/···illg.htm
Its pretty close to what he predicted, but not exactly.
Theres still a market for the desktop machines in that any real work that is done in industry, web, graphics, servers, HTPC's, etc
I like having a large widescreen and a real keyboard/mouse.
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Re: U.S. starting to see trend as well I expect the issue however, is that there is still a huge advantage to having one device vs many. I mean, look at smartphones - they are more or less a tiny PC. You can't mean to tell me most users would want to carry a ZipIM device (IIRC the name, does AIM wirelessly), a camera, a PALM PDA, an e-mail device, a phone, a GPS and an e-book reader for instance. No, most people will take a bunch of that combined into a Blackberry or iPhone or whatever.
While consoles have remained big for gaming, I just haven't seen many people doing wordprocessing on them. And towards general purpose, how many people have a PS2 or PS3 and dumped their extra DVD Player? Or didn't buy a Blu-Ray player?
How many people use an X-Box for both games and XBMC as opposed to yet another device for streaming video? Or for the build it yourself, got a PC with MYTHTV and more...
Finally, I actually think this is just a shift - Most people have dropped "word processors" for computers + editor of choice, many like keeping gaming on a console. Not too many have moved to WebTV or the like for browsing/email.
However, it is true that many households have one pc per person, possibly a server, and sometimes laptops too. Until we open up China/India or whatever more, the developed world has pretty much reached a saturation point, and PC sales will be more like Washing Machine sales from now on, then a growth industry.
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ASICs R Us The people who are buying computers for the wrong reasons will be served by newer, cheaper, channel specific products. That's it.
A PC is a general purpose computing machine.
Re: ASICs R Us
said by microserf v1 : The wrong reasons?PC ownership is a moral thing now?
The people who are buying computers for the wrong reasons will be served by newer, cheaper, channel specific products. That's it.
| |ztmikeMark for moderationPremium
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Sony I don't know if anyone remembers the movie, "Lost in space" maybe this quote will jog your memory back, "Danger Will Robinson, Danger!
But sonys new bendable tv that it showed off some time ago reminded me of that video diary that "Penny" had in the movie.
Things will probably be something like that in the future and not a "big clunky computer on your desk or lap"
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Re: Sony This remind me of the Apple skit on Saturday Night Live I think it was. They had an Ipod and they kept shrinking it down to the Ipod Inviso LOL. Soon, our stuff will just be so small, which isn't always a good thing. I know most of us tend to lose our cell phones around the house. Imagine losing your TV behind the couch =X. Anyhow, I do think this technology is cool and does have practical uses in making monitors and laptop screens less bulky.
| |b10010011Whats a Posting tag?
Will we find other ways to watch television? I certainly hope so, because I detest watching TV or movies on my PC.
Re: Will we find other ways to watch television?
said by b10010011:I'm the opposite, i hate watching them on TVs. Like watching on pc.
I certainly hope so, because I detest watching TV or movies on my PC.
| |DownTheShoreStronger Than The StormPremiumReviews:
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Just Wait.... ...until all those who are enamored of their tiny devices start hitting their forties, and their eyes start to change. When they realize they can't see those tiny images anymore, they'll be heading back to the wide screen computers in droves. LOL!
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Re: Just Wait.... your'e right already have!!!!!....lol!
bah i am not going to quint and push the rest of the family to teh side so i cna use the family tv to reply to dslreports and reply to emails.
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| |TzaleProud Libertarian ConservativePremium
Limits? Perhaps it is because the average person has reached a level in processing speed with their home PCs that it doesn't make sense to go buy a new one like was the norm for so many years.
For most people, a PC can now last a lot longer than it did a decade ago because of the power that these computers now contain.
| |dadkinsCan you do Blu?Premium,MVM
Cell? PDA? No, I just don't see it.
Screens are just too small. People everywhere are still wanting video/websurfing/pr0n/etc...
Staring at a 2" or 3" screen aint going to cut it.
Pick a site online, try and look at it on a PDA or cell screen.
it's either cut off and scrolling is involved, or it has been "converted" to fit the puny screen you're using.
Screen resolution just aint happening either.
Video(other than Youtube) on something like an iPhone or a PSP is bearable, but it still sucks!
You can only shrink some things so far before they get too small.
Cell phones were getting pretty freakin small, but people started wanting to view images and video - guess what!
They started getting bigger to accommodate the larger screen.
Still aint something *I* would want to stare at for 10/30/60/120 minutes.
Ultra-portable computers(Sony VAIO UX Series) have a 4.5" screen... and that's even kinda small!
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Re: Cell? PDA? agree - until bionic implants become common finger size and eyeballs (especially old eyeballs) limit useful device size.
Larry Roberts says... "[the Internet] isnt designed for watching television."
Right. It was designed for the delivery and exchange of text documents. That's all we still use it for now, right?
| |93254336Weapons Of MasturbationPremium
A More Fundamental Issue What sells in Japan may or may not sell in the United States: there are a number of differences between the Japanese and US/Canadian markets.
"That which does not kill us makes us stranger."
Cultural differences If your apartment was the size of my bathroom and cost 4 times as much you wouldn't want a PC either. You would want something that was almost wearable and entirely portable because you would not want to stay in your apartment at all.
So for the mobile nation that is Japan the PDA/Smart phone makes a lot of sense.
Desktop PCs Will Always Have an Advantage There is always one thing that will give the advantage to desktop PCs that the small hand held devices and to a certain extent laptops, don't have.
Desktop PCs are the most scalable computer devices on the market today. Also, it is easy to replace and/or upgrade computer components in a Desktop PC, provided that it is a IBM Clone. Not to mention the choices of computer hardware components are pretty vast and varied. A desktop PC will always be the better investment because they have a longer life cycle compared to the mobile gadgets and electronic devices, laptops, and consoles.
The only thing that even comes close in scalability and upgrade ability of a desktop PC is a laptop PC, but even then you are limited to RAM, battery, and hard drive and optical drive upgrades for the most part. Mobile gadgets, consoles, and electronic devices the only way to upgrade is to buy the better unit model.
Don't expect desktop PCs to disappear anytime soon folks!
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oh well Maybe it's just that people are not compelled to purchase a new pc every two years any more, they are gettin more mileage out of there current pc's.
In any event, this whole Internet fad is almost over anyway.
Re: oh well
said by tomkb:Im not sure how you can call the Internet a fad. Thats like calling TV a fad. Internet has become a major source of information and entertainment. Now websites within the Internet I can see come and go as fads, but to call the Internet as a whole a fad is ridiculous.
Maybe it's just that people are not compelled to purchase a new pc every two years any more, they are getting more mileage out of there current pc's.
In any event, this whole Internet fad is almost over anyway.
Re: oh well Honestly, I'm surprised it has lasted this long. Time will tell which one of us is right.