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kudos:4 |  SF Luddites get what they deserve
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 | | | Re: SF Luddites get what they deserve i would love to see at&t pull up roots and leave s.f. completely.leaving s.f.w/one hsi provider.then the one provider jack up the rates.of course these clowns would want the government to "fix" a problem they created. | |
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| | | | Re: SF Luddites get what they deserve Sonic.net already offers service to quite a bit of SF. I know a couple of people that have Fusion service with them and are quite happy with it. | |
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| | | | | Re: SF Luddites get what they deserve I think sonic just Resells AT&T tubes here in sf.
Apropos of the article why doesn't AT&T just bury the stupid cabinets? | |
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join:2001-01-13
Glen Head, NY | Verizon At least Verizon had the good sense to go FTTH with FiOS and eliminate the need for these boxes. AT&T decided to cheap out and in the end, FTTH will be the right way to go.
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| Romney2012Defeat Obama 2012-Chg we can believe inPremium
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kudos:4 | Re: Verizon said by n2jtx:At least Verizon had the good sense to go FTTH with FiOS and eliminate the need for these boxes. AT&T decided to cheap out and in the end, FTTH will be the right way to go.
Fios didn't do away with outside boxes. They are just a little bit smaller. Distribution hubs are still needed in each neighborhood.
»fiberforall.org/verizon-fios/
Starting at a local Verizon central office, a single fiber optic cable is run to a fiber distribution hub at the neighborhood level where it can be split for up to 32 subscribers.
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1 edit | Re: Verizon said by Romney2012:Fios didn't do away with outside boxes. They are just a little bit smaller. Distribution hubs are still needed in each neighborhood.
Here most fios distribution hubs are all underground in their wiring vaults. Exceptions of course are for MDUs where hubs are often inside the buildings and places where stuff can be pole mounted.
I would imagine SF has similar wiring vaults. | |
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| | Makes me think of a white trash trailor park Step outside and grab yourself a cold one from the new refrigerator sitting in the front lawn. Next up, a lot of broken down cars that aren't mobile followed by the trailer home that is....
Seriously, having one of these things in your law will HURT YOUR property value. I'd be irked if someone wanted one in my front lawn, too. The charming estate comes with everything including the eyesore you see out front... | |
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| tpkatl
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Dacula, GA | All of AT&T bribery (oops I meant Lobbying) money ... couldn't buy that judge.
How refreshing. | |
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| | | | Re: All of AT&T bribery (oops I meant Lobbying) money ... Still remain a few that think for themselves. A few mind you. | |
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| NormanSPremium,MVM
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| Re: Makes me think of a white trash trailor park said by jc100:Seriously, having one of these things in your law will HURT YOUR property value. I'd be irked if someone wanted one in my front lawn, too. The charming estate comes with everything including the eyesore you see out front...
I have yet to see a VRAD in front of a house in San José, California.
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| Why AT&T won't build fiber? AT&T is making a huge mistake trying to maintain a vdsl build in the majority of it's markets. DSL is not a futureproof technology and fiber is a sustainable & upgradable conduit. The labor & equipment costs for building the network twice will be astronomical in the long run. Comcast is left with a defacto monopoly when vdsl speeds of 25 megabits can't compete with 50, 100, and beyond megabit packages soon to be released once comcast decides that docsis 2.0 is going to be phased out completely (give it 5 years, docsis 3 modem orders ARE accelerating). AT&T will be stuck having to REBUILD the fiber and transition it to FTTP's anyway... you think the customer premise dislikes large cabinets.. wait until you have to put long poles in the ground in the same spots blocking the view when more convenient spots could have been used with a fiber build. I say this because you think AT&T is going to pick up the equipment and move it to a MORE CONVENIENT spot (and adding $$ COST $$) once they're entrenched where they are? Not likely...
The squawking by residents about large mini fridge boxes (FIOS NODES) on poles by Verizon customer footprint has been miniscule compared to the court challenges AT&T faces for their DSLAM power grid sized cabinets.
This is par for the course with a company who doesn't listen to the concerns of their customers and heed the warnings of the market which begins & ends with THE CUSTOMER, NOT WALL STREET.
You also see some muni fiber projects getting green lights even in these economic times and uphill against both incumbent lobbyist efforts. Most of the blame can be laid right at the doorstep of the DeathStar. | |
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| Re: Why AT&T won't build fiber? Yes, the video quality sucks, it's not 100% coverage, it's just a general mess. The IPTV concept is cool, but it's got to be done with FTTH. Full IPTV would also allow MDU's with CAT-5 to run ethernet for the last few hundred feet. Best of both worlds, and they could crank up the bitrate. | |
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|  alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | This is old news, we said AT&T made a mistake when they rolled out their VDSL U-Verse. Pair Bonding won't work for everyone, so it's just a Band Aid. AT&T needs to redesign their Network for Fiber all the way! | |
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| | We're The Phone Company... "AT&T" not caring about customers' wants or needs: Imagine that.
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| | San Francisco got lucky. There is no better sign that you are living in an area with shitty infrastructure than having these refrigerators plastered all over your city. These blights on the landscape are a daily reminder of AT&T's greed and how pathetic their attempt to put a band-aid their century old copper wire network is.
This municipality should just boot AT&T out and invite Verizon in to take over the territory. | |
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| | | Re: San Francisco got lucky. Exactly. Boot AT&T and bring us fios! | |
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San Jose, CA | No common sense OK so the law says an EIR is required for everything new. If you were building a concrete slab on top of a toxic waste dump, you would still have to go through the time and expense of submitting an EIR. Ridiculous.
Some of the people chiming in here have clearly never seen San Francisco streets. It's all concrete, and what is this "lawn" you speak of? So tell me what is the "environmental impact" of having another metal box sitting on the concrete right next to all the other metal boxes, power poles, etc.? | |
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| Re: No common sense said by Wily_One:Some of the people chiming in here have clearly never seen San Francisco streets. It's all concrete, and what is this "lawn" you speak of? So tell me what is the "environmental impact" of having another metal box sitting on the concrete right next to all the other metal boxes, power poles, etc.?
In the more densely populated eastern side of San Francisco, most of the utilities are in underground vaults.
AT&T wants to put refrigerator size VRAD boxes on the sidewalks, instead of underground.
By using the cheapest installation possible, AT&T will cause blight to neighborhood sidewalks (landscapes to out-of-towners  )
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San Jose, CA | Re: No common sense Yeah, and the "environment" it would sit on is just more concrete sidewalk. | |
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join:2000-11-14
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| Re: More Common Sense The picture you show is in the "Avenues" in the Western part of San Francisco.
My comment specifically mentioned the eastern part of the City, such as my neighborhood, Alamo Square.
Come up and visit San Francisco some time;
especially if you think your shown "sidewalk environment" is a plus for any city, San Jose included. | |
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| | | | | | Re: More Common Sense Nevermind the fact that a ton of people walk in San Francisco and that the sidewalks there aren't exactly huge. These cabinets aren't just a blight, they're also a impediment to pedestrians. I'm glad the city is saying no.
And as others have mentioned, Sonic.net is making strong inroads in the city with Fusion. They're also looking at rolling out FTTH in the city in the next few years also. | |
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2 edits |  Great citizen initiative against AT&T VRADs
I would support this judge in his decision to ban the ugly and outdated VRADs any day, in any urban city. I'd myself much rather switch to the cableco, than have any of these huge, buzzing and ugly 4'×4'×2' VRAD boxes on ANY pavement anywhere in my neighbourhood (or any adjacent ones), even if they're not in direct view of my property. People like to walk, too, you know.
Last I checked, no neighbourhoods were objecting to FTTH. All the power to AT&T to deploy FTTH! Until then, Sonic.net Fusion FTW, I've heard they're pretty popular in SF. Sonic.net Fusion can even offer faster speeds out of the CO through affordable bonded ADSL2+ than AT&T is willing to offer out of those ugly VRADs through VDSL2 to any customer whatsoever; "makes sense if you don't think about it", else, why would you permit to have your sidewalk ruined to merely get another option at inferior speeds from AT&T U-verse? | |
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1 edit | Re: Great citizen initiative against AT&T VRADs Well said my friend!!
Of course, the public does not have the monied lobbyists to grease the palms of elected officials campaign funds. | |
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