Judge Keeps Apple's Samsung Award At $1 Billion Denies Both Companies Request for New Trials U.S. District Judge Lucy Koh in San Jose has denied Apple's request for three times the $1 billion awarded last August. Koh's ruling this week largely left that settlement intact, denying both companies' requests for new trials. In rejecting Apple's request for a new trial and extended damages, Koh ruled that Samsung's infringement of Apple products was not "willful," though the company did violate Apple's intellectual property. "Given that Apple has not clearly shown how it has in fact been undercompensated for the losses it has suffered due to Samsung’s dilution of its trade dress, this Court, in its discretion, does not find a damages enhancement to be appropriate," Judge Koh wrote.
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1 edit | Lucy Koh will get a swift kick in the ass in appeals..again. I wouldn't be surprised if they even go as far as overturning or putting the amount at something like $1 after the way they talked about her the first time.
Lucy Koh:
1. Left the money intact with a biased Jury foreman and a jury who decided way too early.
2. Did not listen to any cals of jury misconduct.
3. Was biased towards Apple from the start.
4. Left THE WRONG MONEY AMOUNTS (The total in damages from the products doesn't match up to the amount that the jury 'punished' Samsung for.
5. All while Apple's patents are being destroyed left and right by the USPTO.
This will go back to an appeals court that said Koh's decision to ban Samsung's tablet was 'at best, wrong'. Not only will this get overturned, but they will probably call for her to be investigated or to resign. | |
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kudos:7 | Re: Lucy Koh will get a swift kick in the ass in appeals..again. said by Metatron2008:I wouldn't be surprised if they even go as far as overturning or putting the amount at something like $1 after the way they talked about her the first time.
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Not only will this get overturned, but they will probably call for her to be investigated or to resign.
There is ZERO chance this results in a $1 award. Either Samsung didn't infringe ($0 award) or they infringed (something more significant. The appeals court isn't going to make some type of a symbolic award of $1 that shows that Samsung did indeed infringe but what they infringed is so ridiculously stupid as it wasn't worth more than $1.
An active, sitting judge is not going to be asked to resign by an appeals court. They may issue a scathing decision, but her job is secure. It literally would take an act of Congress to remove her from her seat. | |
| | | | | | Apple's patents?? Get real. Apple patents things like a wedge shaped laptop, screens with rounded corners. Apple has invented almost nothing while repackaging the works of others. Apple has hurt consumers overall by limiting choices and suing over something not a technical product or innovation. Perspective: what if I patented the shape of pasta and sued anyone who infringed upon my patent? Silly? A lot of Apple's claims are like that very example.
I have owned two iphones and I like Apple products. They repackage existing components into a good consumer product. Let's not get delusional that they invent much and complain too loudly in court. | |
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| Android is very similar to iOS. iPhone was on the market first and Android seems to be a duplicate of iOS. Android was released due to the fact AT&T had the iPhone by the calls. People wanted iPhones but refused to do business with AT&T so Google and Verizon released the Droids, I had an Android device and it seemed very similar to iPhone. I went back to iPhone after a few months.
If you've operated both an Android and an iOS device, they seem very similar to look and feel in terms of operation. In terms of IP litigation, Apple was first so they win.
I currently have the iPhone 5, iPad 3 and iPad Mini.
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| | | | Re: Android is very similar to iOS. I don't know what you're looking at but Andriod and iOS do NOT look nor feel the same.
You just think that because you are in the Apple hypnosis mode. From all the things you post you seem to be a huge Apple fan. | |
| | | | | Re: Android is very similar to iOS. He is a huge Apple fan along with VZW. And the fact is Google and VZ were not the first to launch an Android phone. It was HTC,TMO and Google. | |
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Palo Alto, CA | Re: Android is very similar to iOS. Except that first phone was a pos. Verizon is the one that pushed Android into its current position, because they needed something that could compete with the iPhone and AT&T. | |
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If you've operated both an Android and an iOS device, they seem very similar to look and feel in terms of operation. In terms of IP litigation, Apple was first so they win.
Bullshit!
iOS is a boring lame grid of icons. Where’s the widgets? Which platform had key functionalities like voice to text, copy/paste and MMS first? If Android is a copy of iOS because it has icons in a grid, then every car must be a copy of Ford because they all have four wheels. Android and iOS are two options in a specific market, of course they are going to have a few similarities. When I ditched the iPhone, I was so relieved Android was drastically different then iPhone OS.
And by the way, the first Android phone was released on T-Moble in the United States, not Verizon. The Google G1 from HTC.
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| Re: Android is very similar to iOS. said by Steve Mehs:Which platform had key functionalities like voice to text, copy/paste and MMS first?
Symbian? Windows Mobile?
When I think of what made iPhone revolutionary, the "key feature" was a truly usable mobile browser with intuitive pinch-zoom gestures that updated fluidly, and that it was a touch-screen device that didn't require a stylus. Compared to everything I used before it, it was also tremendously scratch resistant.
If you're looking at features like MMS, voice-to-text, and copy/paste, you're completely forgetting what made the iPhone so revolutionary. We had those things before iPhone or Android.
All this said, modern Android has surpassed iOS in plenty of ways, and that's a great thing.
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kudos:7 | said by IowaCowboy:iPhone was on the market first and Android seems to be a duplicate of iOS. What does first to the market have anything to do with this?
Android was released due to the fact AT&T had the iPhone by the calls.
People wanted iPhones but refused to do business with AT&T so Google and Verizon released the Droids,
I had an Android device and it seemed very similar to iPhone. I went back to iPhone after a few months.
It wasn't until relatively recently that Apple v. everyone not Apple got into pissing matches about design and utility patents. And there is definitely similarities between some iPhone models and Android models (not to mention non-Android phones). But just because they are similar doesn't mean they are derived from, or infringing of.
If you've operated both an Android and an iOS device, they seem very similar to look and feel in terms of operation. In terms of IP litigation, Apple was first so they win. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Android is very similar to iOS. Heck, I have CM10 on my Samsung Captivate and it runs slick. Even with a 1GHz single core.
It's a little grouchy with CM10.1, but I'll wait until it stabilizes. | |
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| | | Wrong. Android has a file manger, the user has full control and can customize all they want. IOS = Control from Apple over your experience, very little ability to customize. A bunch of unorganized App icons where the APPS themselves own the files. There is nothing like IOS and there never will since it is highly proprietary code. Try looking at the dual multitasking screens that Jellybean has on Samsung's note II. This is stuff that IOS can only dream about. Android is far more powerful. It can do everything IOS can. But IOS surely can't do everything Android can and that is a pure fact. To list a few: playing XVID, MKV, FLAC files, playing Flash, having a real file manager.
Obviously, all you must have done on your droid was to click on APPS. But underneath is a tons of options that allows a user to tweak their Android to their hearts delight. If you like to tweak and customize, IOS is woefully frustrating indeed. Also not sure what version of Android you were using, but the new Jellybean Android is years ahead of IOS in functionality. | |
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kudos:1 | You obviously have no clue wtf you are talking about.  | |
| | | | I've used both an iPhone and my Android phone and they do not seem similar in look or feel in terms of ANYTHING. What crack are you smoking?
Oh, you're just a subservient slave to the Church of Apple. | |
| | | | said by IowaCowboy:If you've operated both an Android and an iOS device, they seem very similar to look and feel in terms of operation. In terms of IP litigation, Apple was first so they win.
Really?
I'll bet you would be the first to say Apple was the first to have a point and click OS too. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Android is very similar to iOS. But, they were! Everyone copies Apple! Don't you know this! Apple invents EVERYTHING!  | |
| | | | | | Re: Android is very similar to iOS. said by Cheese:But, they were! Everyone copies Apple! Don't you know this! Apple invents EVERYTHING!
They Xeroxed Xerox.  | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Android is very similar to iOS. Yep! | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Android is very similar to iOS. Oh, and sued for Facetime and lost... for patents... | |
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1 edit | Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung Why innovate when you can imitate? Wait for someone else to build a market, then roll in as the 2nd run and take 1/2 the market; little R&D cost and very low risk (as the market is proven by the 1st run). That isn't a criticism of Samsung, it's their business model and they have built it to the point that they are the world's largest consumer of semi, surpassing Apple. A billion dollars is NOTHING to Samsung and their massive mobility unit. Otherwise you can invest billions in a product that while some at the company may think bitchen, has no proven market...who knows if people would buy it or not. Look at the first Apple TV, the Newton, the Zune, just about every Windows phone. I remember when the iPhone and iPad rolled out...people here said neither would sell. Who would have figured not only would they sell, but they would sell hundreds of millions of them. A $600+ tablet that didn't run flash, had no apps...gazillions of them; completely decimating what was a vibrant Netbook market. Now it is nearly impossible to find a smartphone that isn't the full screen keyboardless configuration. Even the last gasp from RIM followed the form factor.
Innovation is risky...and I'm not talking about taking the same phone and making it a 1/2 inch bigger or making some small feature additions or changes. I'm talking about sinking billions into a platform that is 180 degrees away from where everyone else is. We see that Apple has had hits and misses. We're seeing the big miss Microsoft made with Metro.
Samsung is smart following Apple...let Apple spend all the money and make all the mistakes just as now, thanks to Microsoft, everyone knows not to put a tablet interface on the desktop. If they end up in court and cough up a billion, who cares, it's worth it and way cheaper than being the first one to do it. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung I'm still stuck at the "Apple innovating" thing. A bunch of crummy design patents and invalid utility patents doesn't really make me think "innovation".
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kudos:1 | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung It really is love/hate when it comes to Apple.
They didn't invent the wheel, BUT they don't copy everything from someone else, either. They didn't get to the point they're at without doing something right.
I can remember when Michael Dell said Apple should shut down & return what they could to their shareholders. So much for that, MSFT just threw them a life preserver of cash. I still think Dell makes some good product, they just failed to adapt to the current market.
Apple, along with Microsoft, Dell, HP, And a host of others are great companies. All have come up with innovative products & concepts over the years.
Hate Apple all you want, it's still a great company that's come out with products that SELL.
And in the end, selling product is the point.....
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4 edits | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung Sure, they didn't invent the wheel. They create a market for it...then everyone else rolls in selling their own wheels and oddly they look just like Apple's right down to identical box art.
It is easy once Apple shows them how to do it. But that's fine. That is what 2nd run companies do. They don't innovate, they imitate and make a crap-load of money doing it.
Simply put, Apple CREATES the market for goods while Samsung only serves existing markets. They couldn't innovate their way out of a paper sack and they create no compelling products. They create no new market, no revolutionary anything. Nothing they make has you saying "Wow!"
There was no market for all touch phones before the iPhone. Look at what was selling...it wasn't some all touch LG that no one had ever heard of. It was the plastic button stuff, the Treos and Blackberries, the button filled crap Samsung was making before the iPhone was released. People were bummed that the iPhone didn't have a physical keyboard. The iPhone was 180 degrees from where the rest of the market was.
There was no market for "ultra books" until the MBA was released. A few companies responded like Dell with their failed Adamo, but the rest waited to see how the market reacted. After the first MBA was a slow turd Apple rolled with Core i5 and i7s (while everyone else was still doing C2DLVs) and the notebooks became very popular. Now on the PC side there is a MacBook Air class of sub notebooks, the ultrabooks, and to no surprise, they all look identical to the MacBook Air. More 2nd runs to Apple creating a market for $1000 consumer (not boutique $4000 jobs for roadwarriors) sub-notebooks.
There was no market for tablets before the iPad. Sure, IBM/Lenovo and Dell made some very pricey PC based tablets along with some others but they didn't sell. Microsoft KNEW that tablets were the future but struggled in the tablet space for years because they were doing it wrong. Apple created the market for it. They didn't invent it. They did something infinitely more important; they showed the entire industry how to do a tablet that people WANTED. Now all the tablets look and function like the iPad. Sure they're different in the small details but overall, they're all just like the iPad. From Samsung slavishly copying Apple's box art to Microsoft slavishly copying Apple Retail stores (we have one in Mission Viejo and it is identical to the Apple Store except there are no people in it)...everyone follows Apple.
Apple is the first run company in this industry. Samsung and everyone else follow that market leader. That is simply the fact. Apple haters can hate all the want but they wouldn't have their products of choice if Apple didn't show those device makers how to do it and do it successfully. | |
| | | | | | | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung Big problem with your argument is that Apple can control what APPS you can use. What codecs they will allow, and what codecs they won't allow, which is most of them. IPAD is very limited in codec support. Still can't run flash and there is a ton of flash sites still out there. They don't even give the user the option to decide that.. they decide for you..like everything else IOS is about. I hate Apple not for the reasons you quote. But because Android gives me more choice. Allows me to run all my Xvid, MKV's etc.. without having to transcode them to Apples standards. Gives me a file manager and the freedom to carry as many 32GB SD I want. Andoid allows me to customize and to even install non market apps if I so choose to. IOS is suffocating IMO. Its limiting and inflexible to what I WANT to do with my device. Other then that, I admit fully that Apple makes some sweet hardware. Nothing against OSX either. But IOS was designed to control the user end and I don't appreciate that. That's the real reason people bash iphone, ipad.. not for the hardware but for the closed ended IOS. | |
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4 edits | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung My TF wouldn't run flash in Chrome, neither would my Xoom. And when I did try it in the stock browser it was so crippled and choppy that it was unusable. All of my Android devices had HORRIBLE native codec support...everything had to be added in, usually for extra dough and then file handling sucked. Nothing like syncing stuff and then leaving only to find 1/2 of it didn't sync.
I ultimately GAVE my TF700 with its dock, Xoom and Galaxy S WiFi away to my brother and nephew because they were frustratingly unusable. And when I first got them, I was like, this is cool...that is cool...but then the negatives kept adding up and adding up. You could do basic thinks like surf the web and type docs (the TF700 dock with its pointing device was awesome) but they were woefully inadequate for anything else. Again, take the TF700 for example...nice 1080P screen, the brightest I had ever seen, near retina quality, but at the time NO APPS in Google Play supporting 1080P. That screen on Android was a diamond in a goat's ass. Games and apps were all scaled and looked like complete dog crap. The only native 1080P apps were things like mail (which SUCKS on Android) and the browser.
All of my Android devices choked (frame dropped) on the MP4 1080P videos I run on my Macs and PCs, while my iPad, iPhone and ATVs play them fine. To get videos to run even on the Tegra 3 I had to re-encode them and I wasn't going to re-encode a 1000 videos just to satisfy Android when the MP4s I already had would play on EVERYTHING else from my phone and tablet to my PCs. I spent quite a bit of money buying different codec packs trying to find one that worked well (obvious some are more efficient than others). Finally I gave up. The solution was simple; get rid of the weak links...Android devices. Maybe someday in the future someone will make an Android device worth owning, but I haven't seen it yet.
As for Flash...HTML5 is now and future, Apple knew it, Adobe now knows it since they abandoned mobile flash development for HTML5 packaging and Google knows it since they don't support it in Chrome. My machines don't have floppy disks either.
The locked down argument is also bogus. You can't run anything good outside Googleplay without JBing the device and you can JB an iPad...the JB for iOS6.1 is rolling out Sunday. Sure you can use the Samsung store instead of Google Play but it is the same crap. The good stuff is the stuff you need to root the device for. My iPhone 4 ran Cydia apps no problem when it was jailbroken.
Then there was not all devices being equal...I would try and get the Sirius player for example and it would be compatible with one device but not the other. WTF? I was at the mercy of the device maker for OS upgrades which for some devices like my Galaxy S WiFi NEVER came. You got 2.2 and were done. I got 2.3 installed but not through any official update. Honeycomb...yeah right. Samsung abandoned the device the day it came out...$220 and you get none of the new goodies. Meanwhile my iOS devices from that same era run the latest OS version; fully supported.
But all of this is details...NONE of these devices would even exist today if Apple didn't gamble hundreds of millions or more creating a market for them and showed everyone else how to do it. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung said by skeechan:But all of this is details...NONE of these devices would even exist today if Apple didn't gamble hundreds of millions or more creating a market for them and showed everyone else how to do it.
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| | | | | | | | | That was then. I guarantee if you buy a new galaxy note 10.1 with a quad core you will be able to playback 1080P files no problems. Plus you will have all the added codec support, have sd slot, a file manager and a very fast JB. Your correct, Apple was the only game in town for a couple years on the tablets. But the competition has caught up and offers a hell of allot more choice in customizing your own experience. Even on my tab 2 with JB I can run any 720P file very smoothly, sirius works perfect.. Its a fast tab considering I only paid 280 dollars. If I really wanted the extra speed to play more advanced games and 1080P I would buy the Note. But I am cheap and like great value for my money and still be allowed to do what I WANT and not a big Corp dictating that experience for me. BTW. I can run flash sites quite well using firefox with adbock installed, even on my cheapo tab 2 10.1. I can imagine on the note it would be no sweat at all.
The point is Samsung has caught up with Apple. They have fine phones as well and the S3 and note are starting to get Apple defectors from iphone.. I personlly know many who have made the switch. Apple calls Android fragmentation. I call it freedom of choice. OSX is not so bad, but IOS really is nothing less then a money grab from Apple. And now the lightning jack on the ip5 takes the greed to another level. | |
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4 edits | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung That was "then"? That was about 6 months ago with ICS and they still don't ship with all the codec packs, you still have to go get them along with 3rd party players trying to find something that works without frame dropping.
Meanwhile, the Galaxy Note better not frame drop given it is only pushing 1280x800 ($500 for the 16GB model with such low rez...ouch) That is a far cry from 1920x1080 that the TF700 sports or the 2048x1536 that the iPad 3 and 4 sports. Sure, my TF700 wouldn't frame drop if I re-encode down to HD-lite but then why own a 1080P tablet...can't play 1080P videos reliably and there were no apps...should have picked up a TF300.
And why would I jump through all those hoops to run a 2nd rate OS on horribly built hardware like that found in the Android space? Why would I take 10 steps backward simply to run Android? Why would I re-encode and keep a special set of duplicate everything to run a miserably convoluted and poorly thought out OS like Android that is 3 years behind iOS in usability? I wouldn't and I don't even try any more. | |
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Billings, MT | said by skeechan:I was at the mercy of the device maker for OS upgrades which for some devices like my Galaxy S WiFi NEVER came. You got 2.2 and were done. I got 2.3 installed but not through any official update. Samsung abandoned the device the day it came out...$220 and you get none of the new goodies. Um.. You really should look at Cyanogenmod.
said by skeechan:Honeycomb...yeah right. Um.. Honeycomb was for tablets, not phones.
said by skeechan:Meanwhile my iOS devices from that same era run the latest OS version; fully supported. Bull. I have an iPod Touch 2nd Gen and I can't run the latest OS, not to mention quite a few apps stopped supporting anything less than iOS 4.3 (mine's running 4.2.1). It's almost useless except for Pandora and Slacker. Can't run Rdio on it.
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1 edit | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung Oh, I tried lots of custom firmware but they were all super buggy or plain broke stuff. When I had tried CM9, it would break lots of stuff like BT, the camera and even rotation. Even now, while CM9 has progressed, it is still a bug filled and broken feature mess, making ICS still unusable on the player. It's moot now as I have ditched my Galaxy WiFi 5.0.
At the time, c.2011, all the talk was about HC coming on new HTC handsets like the Pyramid/Sensation (they ended up shipping with GB I think) so I was hoping to see it on my player...then later ICS also not available on the player. And it isn't like it can't run. HTC's new budget handset, I think it's the Desire or something is single core, same 800 x 400 resolution, 1/2GB of RAM...will be running ICS.
The 2nd Gen touch is 3-4 years old, originally released back in 2008. The Galaxy S WiFi and Galaxy Player are still currently shipping models and still aren't shipping with ICS. If I had known that Samsung was never going to update the player I wouldn't have bought it. | |
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Billings, MT | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung Never had many issues with CM9. Of course, I ran the latest build. CM10 gave me a few issues initially, but the 20121215 build was the best. CM10.1 has been a bit sluggish, but I'll give it more time to mature before I switch over.
I've been eyeballing the Galaxy Player 5.0 and been thinking of grabbing one. I'll keep an eye on xda-developers to see if anyone is building a ROM for it.
My Samsung Captivate is 3 years old.. and there are still recent ROMs being made for it to make it do recent stuff. I swear, that Captivate is the most versatile phone I've seen in quite awhile. The only phone I won't buy is Motorola. They lock it down severely so you can't dev for it, then ignore it for updates. This happened with my D2G.
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1 edit | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung It depends on the handset. The Galaxy Player/WiFi (mine was the import) has been troublesome from the beginning. Early on NOTHING worked with CM9. They just recently got BT working and last I checked lots of stuff like the camera still didn't work.
I got WAY better support from Motorola...even out of market factory ROMs where all right there on their support site for download. They also offered all the utils and even 'for dummies' instructions on how to use them them. I ran the au/KDDI ROM on my Xoom because the NA Xooms only shipped with English, French and Spanish support.
But I shouldn't have to run custom ROMs or hack on the device to get new features. The handset maker shouldn't abandon the platform on day one. | |
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kudos:1 | Good f@cking point. And, good post..... | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Pocket change for the 2nd run Samsung I think it's weird that people have their heads stuffed so far up Job's ass--and he's dead! What a bunch of BS and it's gobbled up like it's manna from heaven. Funny stuff.
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kudos:1 | said by skeechan:Simply put, Apple CREATES the market for goods
Wait, stop right there.
That's right.
Apple is a marketing company.
And even their marketing strategy isn't innovative.
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Lancaster, PA | Apple is not innovative Let's be honest...Apple stole from Microsoft who stole from Xerox. The whole desktop with icon thing originated with Xerox. What is iOS? It's a desktop with icons. Windows was originally a desktop with icons. Xerox, was the first company to utilize a screen with icons, but didn't copy write or patent it. So who really owns the idea of a desktop with icon shortcuts to a program? | |
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Rekrul
join:2007-04-21
Milford, CT | How much did Apple pay Paramount? Star Trek: The Next Generation had tablet computers with rounded corners back in 1987. How much did Apple pay Paramount for "stealing" their design? | |
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