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Just 5% of Verizon Customers Using LTE
One Year On From Launch of LTE Network
by Karl Bode Monday 27-Feb-2012 tags: business · hardware
Verizon has made great strides in the year since they launched their LTE network, but not all that many of the company's users have switched to the new network. The network reaches about 200 million Americans in nearly 200 markets, but according to data from Verizon CTO Fran Shammo, just 5% of Verizon Wireless customers have switched to the faster data network.

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"It is very critical for us, and we’re playing a very delicate balancing act here that I don’t want to spend any more money on my 3G network," Shammo is quoted as saying in a speech to investors today.

Verizon keeps running a promotion where customers can get double their data allotments if they buy a new contract LTE phone, a deal intended to not only nudge users toward LTE, but to free up space for iPhone users on the EVDO network.

You'll see these numbers shift quickly once Apple starts offering an LTE phone later this year, and more efficient chip design and smaller batteries result in LTE Android phones that aren't quite as bulky. As it stands, Apple has been reluctant to offer an LTE iPhone yet due to battery size and life, which is why the iPhone 5 isn't rumored to launch until this fall.

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jchambers28

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250 Gb cap

Give me a 250 Gb cap I will sign up.

Duramax08
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Re: 250 Gb cap

HAHA, good one.

jchambers28

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Re: 250 Gb cap

Thanks. I want a reasonable cap their caps is unreasonable. Want more customers raise the cap!

thegeek
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Re: 250 Gb cap

or just get rid of the cap. it's nothing but a money grab anyway.

jchambers28

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Re: 250 Gb cap

correct

jchambers28

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reminds me that Intel had a complaint about lack of customers buying their drives. Then they release this over priced SSD.

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BiggA

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It won't be a money grab when 50% of customers are on 4G LTE.
firedrakes

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over price period with almost no data plan. that work in real world
biochemistry

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You should have signed up last year like me. I don't have a cap.

IPPlanMan
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This makes AT&T look so hopeless....

So Verizon's doing double data promotions on a built out LTE network while AT&T is pinching pennies, redefining 3G into FauxG and throttling loyal Unlimited Data users with a top 5% scheme that goes down further each passing month.

It's pathetic.

AT&T, I know you're reading this. You're a disgrace.
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mix

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Re: This makes AT&T look so hopeless....

Got to increase earnings per share somehow.

Cjaiceman
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Re: This makes AT&T look so hopeless....

Pissing off your customers and forcing them to go elsewhere is not the right way...

jmn1207
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Re: This makes AT&T look so hopeless....

Except the customers are not going anywhere, they just keep coming. How can you blame AT&T when people are supposedly lining up for their service. I don't understand it, but the numbers don't lie.

KrK
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They have a plan. See the other thread about the payola protection racket for apps.
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You're a disgrace.

That is so 42 seconds ago.

IPPlanMan
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Re: This makes AT&T look so hopeless....

said by WHT:

That is so 42 seconds ago.

Apparently, using AT&T turns people into pompous a-holes.
jcremin

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Re: This makes AT&T look so hopeless....

said by IPPlanMan:

said by WHT:

That is so 42 seconds ago.

Apparently, using AT&T turns people into pompous a-holes.

I thought that is what iPhones did.

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Close to 5.5M people.

Close to 5.5M people using the network isn't bad. It's only been a year since LTE started rolling out. Many people haven't got to the point in their contracts to get a subsidized device. And until recently, all the LTE phones were the high end $200-$300 phones. Most people just don't need the top of the line phone.

I'd surely use LTE if Verizon would just expand the coverage about 1 frigging mile further! Can't quite get coverage at home but about a mile away I do.

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Re: Close to 5.5M people.

They will get there soon enough...
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What the hell is a friggin

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Re: Close to 5.5M people.

its my fucking attempt to stop fucking cussing for fucking much online.

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Re: Close to 5.5M people.


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Re: Close to 5.5M people.

said by MIABye:

HEY! Watch your god damn language!

Watch your damn mouth!
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Re: Close to 5.5M people.

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Re: Close to 5.5M people.

In the heat of battle my father wove a tapestry of obscenities that as far as we know is still hanging in space over Lake Michigan.

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Pointless

The caps are far too low for me to consider signing up. Bring back the unlimited plans and I might consider it.
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Verizon got me to dump my unlimited plan...

with their recent special deals. They have some new 4G phones for only $99 with a 2 year contract. That combined with the double data deal and a $327 gift card I got from FiOS made me jump on the deal. They got me to dump my unlimited 3G plan with my HTC Incredible and get an HTC ReZound. Since I didn't know how long the double data special was going to last I figured I might as well get it now. Since a 2GB plan was not going to be enough. I surpassed that around every other my with my 3G phone. And without that incentive I would have stayed with my 3G phone.

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Re: Verizon got me to dump my unlimited plan...

Why would you dump unlimited for 4GB tiered data, on Verizon you can upgrade from a 3G to a 4G phone without losing unlimited data, all existing unlimited customers are grandfathered in, I'm on verizon's 4G network as well, and I think the Iphone factor and the LTE poor battery life as well as people waiting for an upgrade are all big reasons for slow adoption, it will improve it's a much better experience than old evdo
biochemistry

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Re: Verizon got me to dump my unlimited plan...

Don't make him hate himself for giving up unlimited data when he didn't have to.
ShellMMG

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I wanted to do that with our Alltel grandfathered unlimited aircard but VZW wouldn't let me. Now THAT would've been awesome even though LTE doesn't reach me yet.

I'll probably never get a smartphone. My dream would be to use software and a Bluetooth headset on my iPad. Stuff the Mifi in my purse or pocket and I'd be ready to go.

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Dude u F'd up, I upgraded my phone to 4g and kept my unlimited plan. SMH

jgkolt
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Caps, iphone, battery life

Three things holding back people from LTE:
-battery life of existing phones
-there is no lte iphone out right now
-and datacaps are not attractive especially for a faster service

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Re: Caps, iphone, battery life

said by jgkolt:

Three things holding back people from LTE:
-battery life of existing phones
-there is no lte iphone out right now
-and datacaps are not attractive especially for a faster service

According to AT&T their iPhone 4S is a 4G phone...

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tim85254

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Very expensive to be a beta tester

The LTE network isn't very reliable. I don't know that I'd recommend it to anyone.
flashcore

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Re: Very expensive to be a beta tester

Its not only very un-reliable, it also does not work in most modern 10+ floor office buildings unless your near a window. Ive got a Nexus and can only get 1-2 bars of 3G at my office in the heart of Baltimore where they claim to have 100% 4G coverage. The second I walk outside I get 5 bars of 4G. Until they fix these major issues the LTE network it will continue to be worthless.

Before someone says its just my phone, there are 2 other people with 4G phones all having the same issue as well as 6 4G hotspots that only work on 3G inside the building so it is a network issue not a phone issue, the spectrum there using for LTE just sucks at penetrating buildings.

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Re: Very expensive to be a beta tester

You may be in a weak coverage area, the spectrum they use is excellent for building penetration 700 Mhz, the bars on a phone are a historically very bad indicator of signal strength, what matters is the db number -50db is perfect , -113+ is unusable.

I get excellent in results inside and while I'm not thrilled with data outages, it seems to me that people are making a much bigger deal about it than necessary, data isn't a life or death situations and for most of the outages the phone goes back to 3G a few minutes after the outage starts, then I switch the phone to cdma/evdo only until they've resolved the issue completely, I'm very happy with 4G LTE and if their is any carrier I trust to resolve the few issues that affect the network occasionally, it's Verizon.
I've been on every major carrier and Verizon has time and time again proven to be more reliable in general.
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The spectrum that they're using is actually better at penetrating buildings than the bands used for the 2G/3G legacy networks. Any coverage issues can likely be attributed to the fact that the LTE network is new and hasn't been fully built out yet.

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said by flashcore:

Its not only very un-reliable, it also does not work in most modern 10+ floor office buildings unless your near a window. Ive got a Nexus and can only get 1-2 bars of 3G at my office in the heart of Baltimore where they claim to have 100% 4G coverage. The second I walk outside I get 5 bars of 4G. Until they fix these major issues the LTE network it will continue to be worthless.

You may have a 3G repeater in your building. It took forever for my previous employer to replace their AT&T Edge repeater with a 3G one. It behaved pretty much like you describe.
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4g is unreliable.

I rented a Razr for a week and no matter how good a 4g signal I had outside as soon as I went inside a building it would drop back to 3g.As far as their coverage map's never did I get 4g in a extended coverage area even outside.
Wartrace

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Wartrace, TN

Re: 4g is unreliable.

That's why I am not upgrading- I am in the "extended coverage" area and knowing Verizon that means "no coverage area". (Not to mention the itiful data cap)
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1GB less than previous plan = double

I love how "double" is only from the recent drop to 2GB as "standard."

They need to sell this without emphasizing the overt reference to less than half of what the 3G plans were less than a year ago.

I also *loved* the early 4G hype about being able to stream video so much better.

Some good that capability is with such low usage caps.

At the very least, 4G needs to have less of a cap for fixed users.
Mr Matt

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Same pattern as change from EV-DO Rev 0 to Rev A.

When EV-DO was upgraded from Rev 0 to Rev A customers had to suffer with modems that used to much power and handsets with short battery life. It took several years for carriers to upgrade all of their towers. Now the same problem with the change from 3G to 4G. Modems use to much power and Handsets have short battery life. Wait until 5G is announced and by that time ISP's should have most of the bugs worked out of 4G.
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Verizon has no LTE coverage in lots of places.

I am waiting on Verizon LTE in Houston County, Bibb County, and Monroe County in Georgia. There is much anticipation, but few buyers as there is no coverage in these areas. We would be happy if they fixed the lack of regular voice and EVDO Rev A coverage in Monroe County, GA. You hear that Verizon Wireless, fix your regular older technology coverage and you will get more customers and more profits.

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Re: Verizon has no LTE coverage in lots of places.

Same here, but Monroe County, MI

They've hit all the major urban areas in the state, they just need to fill in the suburban areas, then I might make the jump to 4G.
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iFail 5G

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said by davidhoffman:

I am waiting on Verizon LTE in Houston County, Bibb County, and Monroe County in Georgia.. There is much anticipation, but few buyers as there is no coverage in these areas. We would be happy if they fixed the lack of regular voice and EVDO Rev A coverage in Monroe County, GA. You hear that Verizon Wireless, fix your regular older technology coverage and you will get more customers and more profits.

As far as the South as concerned, they are doing better than the *other's* in the majority of South. Look at Alabama and the mass rural 4G LTE coverage push, pretty darn good considering how much EDGE and 2G/1X the other carriers have. Here in Alpharetta though, it doesn't really matter what provider you have because they are all pretty good. But I do understand where you are coming from in Monroe county.
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Re: Verizon has no LTE coverage in lots of places.

There is a road known as Maynards Mill in Monroe County that has some fairly wealthy horse owners living along it. No decent coverage from Verizon for any voice or data service exists. There is also no cable or DSL internet service. Sprint and T-Mobile are too far off. These people have above average incomes and run equestrian and/or cattle businesses. AT&T recently leased space on a new tower which results in better service for their customers, but the cost of AT&T cellular data plans and the bad customer service in wireless billing has not caused many to switch. They will wait for Verizon LTE for a while longer. There is a rumor that a more customer orientated regional cellular provider may lease space on the recently installed tower. That may be the best solution for those needing broadband at home. The interesting thing is the signs, a few years old, warning of the buried AT&T fiber optic cables along the same Maynards Mill Road.
tmc8080

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what else is new?

On average, 4g/lte phones START at $300 and up.. so the high price of service along with the high price of handsets (some reachine the stratosphere of $500 - $1500, yes for a smart phone handset!!)
krazymon2

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Re: what else is new?

What phone does Verizon currently offer that costs $1500??

mmay149q
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Considering......

I just started a new month of data service and in the past 5 days have downloaded almost 700 megs, who needs these caps? I mean I get consistent 10 - 20Mbps download, and consistent 3 - 10Mbps upload...

Things I've done with my cell in the past 5 days to reach that amount:

Update multiple applications
Watch a few Netflix videos (hooked phone via HDMI to TV)
Watch multiple YouTube videos/listened to music on Pandora/YouTube
Browsed multiple websites including imdb, facebook, movie theater times, etc on the go.
Maybe played a few online games.

That's all I've done, in my eyes this is normal every day use for lots of smart phone owners... Oh well, just goes to show what happens with your customers when you s**t on their face and tell them they need to pay 2,000% more for the same thing they've been doing for the past 3 years...

Personally I love my VZW LTE, but I hope that people continue not to buy into the service just so adoption rates slow way down and hopefully caps get raised to the minimum of 15 - 20GB's (or done away with completely) showing how much "abuse" the network can really handle...

Matt

P.S. I am willing to bet 80% of the 5.5 million VZW has on LTE are on grandfathered unlimited plans, I know I've already seen 2 articles where a guy was complaining about being throttled for downloading 60 GB's in 1 week, where another guy claims to have downloaded 120GB with no issues...
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Re: Considering......

said by mmay149q:

P.S. I am willing to bet 80% of the 5.5 million VZW has on LTE are on grandfathered unlimited plans, I know I've already seen 2 articles where a guy was complaining about being throttled for downloading 60 GB's in 1 week, where another guy claims to have downloaded 120GB with no issues...

Verizon doesn't throttle their 4G network.

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Re: Considering......

said by Crookshanks:

said by mmay149q:

P.S. I am willing to bet 80% of the 5.5 million VZW has on LTE are on grandfathered unlimited plans, I know I've already seen 2 articles where a guy was complaining about being throttled for downloading 60 GB's in 1 week, where another guy claims to have downloaded 120GB with no issues...

Verizon doesn't throttle their 4G network.

I agree, but it's a true story you can find it online on quite a few different venues.

»www.vzbuzz.com/2011/10/in-extrem···-button/

Here's one, and Verizon even defended their position stating "his usage constitutes as “abuse”

You know, it's called that clause in the TOS where they can terminate service if they think you're doing something harmful?

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BiggA

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Percentage of data?

I wonder what the percentage of data consumption on LTE is? It may be quite a bit higher...

BF69
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makes sense

Many people aren't eligble for upgrades yet for 4G phones. I'm not until July. So why would I get one know if I have to pay full price? Also many that have upgraded in the last year didn't have 4G in their area.

As others have mentioned high price is also a factor. Many people will upgrade to phones that are free or under $100. Taking away "new every 2" didn't help any.

Also many people are still on unlimited plans. "double the data" offers aren't going to convince them to give that up. Not to mention that "double the data" should actually be the norm and Verizon needs to offer double that. Also offer FREE tethering not charge $20 for it.

Also Verizon needs to offer family data plans like they have for minutes and texting. Also they need a cheaper data plans for lite users if they insist on making data plans mandatory. Until Verizon makes someof these changes I don't think they are very serious about getting people to switch to 4G or hell ANY smartphone. I know people that will stay with feature phones until Verizon no longer offers them as long as Verizon insists on $30 for a data plan they'll never use.
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Re: makes sense

And many do not live in LTE areas yet. I know I do not care about LTE until my usual areas I am in have it. once that happens.. its upgrade time.
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Fighterpilot

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Need Global

I need a global phone. Right now there are only three available from VZW and none of them are 4G. Get a global ready one and I'll think about switching over in April.

midwesttech

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no bad battery life here

I have the HTC Vivid on AT&T LTE, my battery lasts all day using about an hour of voice calling and the equivalent of 3 hours of data without a recharge. The network setup that AT&T did for LTE is much better because of how their handoff's work. Having HSPA being directly compatible to the LTE system works quite well for their phones. Had good experience as well with the Samsung LTE device, but preferred the HTC due to the screen. My Verizon work phone is good too, but the problem is when I go out of an LTE area the speed drops back to dial up speeds, which makes it almost unusable because the 3G speeds are less than appealing.

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Re: no bad battery life here

Given AT&T's throttling for Unlimited Data customers, it's hard to know the difference anymore between slow service and throttled service.

MalibuMaxx
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Using 3G on a 4G headset

yup... I also have a 3G mifi. For the most part battery longer on 3G and I get good enough speeds. 4G is amazing though... better speeds than my cable.

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what percentage of VZ users....

...even have a data enabled phone???

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