Keep Connected Nation Far Away From Stimulus Money Consumer advocates warn group is a con, but is anybody listening? Last year, consumer advocacy group Public Knowledge penned a piece that was by and large ignored by the Steve Jobs-obsessed technology media. In it, Public Knowledge's Art Brodksy lambasted a broadband mapping group called Connected Nation, alleging that the group was little more than a policy front for incumbent carriers. According to Brodsky, the group takes state taxpayer funds under the pretense of effectively mapping state broadband services, but then acts by and large as an extension of the incumbents -- obscuring data they don't want public, while lobbying state lawmakers on carriers' behalf. PK suggests a core function of Connected Nation is to pre-empt more serious efforts to increase competition and coverage. The group paints over broadband shortcomings, insisting that thanks to them, States like Kentucky have nearly 100% broadband coverage (people in Kentucky claim otherwise). With a board of directors stocked with executives and lobbyists from the largest operators, the organization never demands particularly comprehensive data from the carriers themselves. According to the Connected Nation non-disclosure agreement, the broadband maps used by the organization don't even differentiate between broadband service types (DSL, FTTH, cable). As per the industry's wishes, Connected Nation's maps also don't pinpoint the specifically available providers at each address. Interestingly, the NDA also notes that any data collected by Connected Nation remains the property of AT&T, and can be pulled or deleted at any time. Of course, as Connected Nation grows in influence, Public Knowledge has argued that they're derailing more serious broadband mapping efforts already underway in a number of States. That's a big deal, since included in the $7 billion dollar broadband stimulus plan is $350 million to be spent on mapping. Public Knowledge and other consumer advocates are now arguing that if the lion's share of that money winds up going to Connected Nation, as the industry hopes, consumers are going to wind up very disappointed with the results. From a new report (pdf): Connected Nation is not a neutral broker in broadband information. It is run by, and boasts of its connections to, telephone and cable companies. Yet, it accepts public funds in the millions of dollars to conduct a public functionmapping of broadband. The end result is a project from Connected Nation which, instead of reflecting neutral information on which good public policy can be based, instead represents only the information that the most interested of parties wants reported. We've spent the better decade studying phone and cable lobbying and PR efforts, which go so far as to create completely artificial consumer advocacy groups to argue against your best interest as a consumer. Even if Connected Nation is only half the sham Public Knowledge seems to think it is, it's probably the largest, most ingenious and well funded lobbying operation launched by carriers in the last decade. The question now is: will the Obama administration and the media get wise to the long con at play here before it's too late? Even if you completely disagree with Public Knowledge about the depth of the Connected Nation skulduggery, there's a larger point to consider here. If we're going to use taxpayer dollars for broadband mapping, we should be able to independently access and verify the data. Connected Nation's model has the taxpayers paying for data that can't be independently verified, and if the carriers have their way, won't be particularly useful or accurate. It won't specify carrier, speed or price, so in turn won't be useful in making policy that increases broadband competition. But then again, it sounds like that's the industry's goal, since increased competition would mean reduced revenues.
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 DaneJasperSonic.NetPremium,VIP join:2001-08-20 Santa Rosa, CA kudos:9 1 edit | Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups Well done Karl!
Clearly, we do need competition. It's amazing that so many people don't understand how important competition is.
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|  |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI Reviews:
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1 edit | Re: Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups But should competition be subsidized by the government? Thats a step towards socialization.
Personally, if I started an ISP, i would target areas that would cost me the least amount to wire, with the most amount of homes passed (potential customers). The answer to this? Cities!...and densley populated suburbs around those cities.
Rural living and city living both have advantages and disadvantages; you dont see a lot of competition in any industry in small towns (one walmart, 2 or so chain restruants). Why should broadband be different? | |
|  |  |  me1212 join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO 1 edit | Re: Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups What is the answer to the cost of wiring? Wireless, if someone were to put up a town that serves the city good got the city served, and if the people on the outskirts of town can get the signal got them served too.
And if the Gov is going to give them money to wire more anyway, y should they not use it for that? Its not like the yr not getting money, if they get it to wire more thats what the yshould use it for. I still say wireless would be easier. | |
|  |  |  |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups You make a valid point, but lets say we do start an all wireless ISP. If a customer has our product, and its not working properly, we would have to send out a technician to repair it. Obivously, rural areas are still harder to access. | |
|  |  |  |  |  me1212 join:2008-11-20 Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups Thats why wireless costs more than wired, WISPs take that(repair men) into account. | |
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 |  |  | | said by baineschile:But should competition be subsidized by the government? Thats a step towards socialization. Personally, if I started an ISP, i would target areas that would cost me the least amount to wire, with the most amount of homes passed (potential customers). The answer to this? Cities!...and densley populated suburbs around those cities. Rural living and city living both have advantages and disadvantages; you dont see a lot of competition in any industry in small towns (one walmart, 2 or so chain restruants). Why should broadband be different? At one time, celluar service was regulated by the government. There was a requirement that there be an "A" and "B" system in every market. The "A" system company could NOT have any interest in the local wireline service. The "B" system could have an interest in the local wireline service. Lease rates were also regulated so the "B" system couldn't out price the "A" on the same connections. In my area, the "A" system was Celluar One and the "B" system was Bell Atlantic Mobile.
Sometimes mandated competition is a good thing. | |
|  |  |  BF69Premium join:2004-07-28 Camden, TN | said by baineschile:But should competition be subsidized by the government? Thats a step towards socialization. Oh god you people and your fears of a socialized USA.
A) take off the tin foil hat Chicken Little
B) guess what we already have socialisation with SOCIAL security, Medicaid, Medicare etc. And guess what for most Americans those programs have always existed yet you still think the USA is free, right? You still think it's the greatest nation on earth, right? Wait, how can that be, there's socialization?
C) it's 2009 not 1989 the big mean commies aren't coming to invade us. | |
|  |  |  | | Access to the internet needs to be treated like infrastructure. Therefore, access to the web needs to be run like municipal utilities (and police, fire, water, sewer, etc.)
No competition. But far cheaper because there are no shareholders demanding and ROI and quarterly dividend checks.
Check out this little town in KY and what they are able to do. »rbg.glasgow-ky.com/2009/03/of-in···gow.html
While our initial gravel driveway connection to the world has now grown from 1.5 Mbps to 150 Mbps...we will be completing our own fiber optic circuit to Bowling Green and, in turn, to an AT&T router which is in Bowling Green. This will finally allow us nearly infinite capacity to the internet. (BTW: Bowling Green is the home of Connect Kentucky which spawned Connected Nation.)
Local governments belong in the business of providing access to ALL citizens of a community. The local community can then decide if they want to pay for a "gravel road" or "superhighway." | |
|  |  |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium join:2000-01-17 Tulsa, OK | Hmmm promoting competition is socialism? What's blocking competition then? | |
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 |  LinklistPremium join:2002-03-03 Longport, NJ kudos:5 | Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups. You mean like Public Knowledge? Brodsky wants a big chunk of that $350 million for his own organization and that may be his underlying bias against Connected Nation.
Public Knowledge has argued that they're derailing more serious broadband mapping efforts already underway in a number of States. That's a big deal, since included in the $7 billion dollar broadband stimulus plan is $350 million to be spent on mapping. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page | |
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| Re: Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups said by Linklist:Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups. You mean like Public Knowledge? Brodsky wants a big chunk of that $350 million for his own organization Well put. | |
|  |  |  |  | | Re: Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups Just so you know, I wrote my first story about Connected Nation more than a year ago, long before there was any thought about a need for the stimulus. see »www.publicknowledge.org/node/1334
I've done several more stories since, which you are free to examine at your leisure. | |
|  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Bravo for uncovering bogus "interest" groups Ok, in the interest of time, the whom in your opinion, would be an independant guard or group to give this task to? | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  | | who should do mapping???? A university. | |
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 |  |  |  |  | | Supporters of "Public Knowledge?" Art, you might want to publish a list of Public Knowledge's contributors here -- preferably the one from your 2008 Form 990 -- so that folks know which corporations you are lobbying for. | |
|  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Supporters of "Public Knowledge?" ...and there was a deafening silence.  | |
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 pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD | Pot Meet Kettle The pork bill itself is a con. -- Blagojevich / Madoff 2012! | |
|  |  wifi4milezBig Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace join:2004-08-07 New York, NY | Re: Pot Meet Kettle said by pnh102:The pork bill itself is a con. Do you mean to imply that flushing trillions of dollars down the toilet is somehow bad?? -- When you can't make them see the light, make them feel the heat. -Ronald Reagan-
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 baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Michigan I am always tired of Michigan getting butchered on a map. I wish we lived in a nice square state like Wyoming.
Cmon people, we are a MITTEN | |
|  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: Michigan Not quite a mitten. | |
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|  |  |  |  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium join:2008-05-10 Sterling Heights, MI | Re: Michigan I dont count the UP. As far as I am concered, they are a hybrid of packer fans/oiler fans (just kidding and BBR members from Sault St. Marie!) | |
|  |  |  |  |  en102Canadian, eh? join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA 1 edit | Re: Michigan Nothing wrong with yoopers. I actually lived 200 miles northwest of Sault Ste. Marie (Leafs Fan), and typically vacation on St. Josephs Island -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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 mr seanProfessional InfidelPremium,ExMod 2001-07 join:2001-04-03 N. Absentia kudos:1 | It treasures what? From: »www.connectednation.org/who_we_are/
quote: INTEGRITY. Connected Nation treasures its corporate credibility. Employees possess a passion for the corporate mission, honesty without hesitation, and respect for all people. Employees maintain a good attitude, a strong work ethic and a spirit for community.
Corporate and credibility, my favorite oxymoron. -- How you can make the world a Better Place | |
|  |  | | Re: It treasures what? Do we know what year it was where words no longer meant anything? They really should have sent out a memo. | |
|  |  |  mr seanProfessional InfidelPremium,ExMod 2001-07 join:2001-04-03 N. Absentia kudos:1 | Re: It treasures what? I believe the Dutch East India Company was supposed to be responsible for that paperwork... | |
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 |  |  b10010011Whats a Posting tag? join:2004-09-07 Bellingham, WA 2 edits | Re: Claim Otherwise... If you count satellite broadband Kentucky and the entire country already is 100% covered.  | |
|  |  | | Wireless High Speed??? If you are thinking of today's technology, you might be right about never getting 100% coverage. But if Kansas is offering WiMax, Kentucky should be able to handle it also. »tinyurl.com/decdu4 Line of sight is no longer a restriction...
Rural Telephone Service Co. in Kansas said its Nex-Tech unit is readying the service for small cities in its Kansas service area that haven't been served by DSL, fiber, or other broadband technologies. Many of the towers for the service were installed in six to eight weeks by Redline Communications Group, the company said. | |
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 | | Of course they don't.... want the real data to be known, that would mean they would actually have to use any money they get from the government to start building out their networks and start serving places they deem not to be profitable, they just want to pocket the money and move on to something more important, the continued fleecing of our government for the good of the corporate coffers. No cable or telco should get anymore of our money, by that i mean us taxpayers until each and everyone of them has 100% verifiable and accurate data. | |
|  Sammer join:2005-12-22 Canonsburg, PA | For $350 Million data should belong to public! If the Federal Government is going to spend $350 Million of our money on broadband mapping then all data collected should belong to the public and not to any (for or non-profit) corporation. Remember our government is not spending some organization's or corporation's money. | |
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 | | No such thing as "BROADBAND" It's an arcane term.
"Basic Broadband" is only 768K (FCC)
This is another trick Connect Kentucky and Connected Nation is trying to pull. To every elected official, "broadband" sounds like it's fast, fast, fast, because they compare it to Dial-up.
If we can't change the conversation and talk specifics about download/upload speeds, let's at least call it "wideband" to refer to what we all enjoy: cable or T1 or better. | |
|  | | PK has been trashing Connected Nation for years Public Knowledge -- an inside-the-Beltway lobbying organization funded by GoogleClick -- has long been trashing Connected Nation without good reason and merely seems to be continuing this vendetta (see »blog.apt.org/my_weblog/2008/01/d···-co.html for a history) with this latest salvo. Above all, it says, it doesn't want Connected Nation to do broadband mapping because it might keep some providers' private data, well, private.
Theres a good reason why ISPs especially small, rural, and competitive ISPs do not want precise maps of their coverage areas published: it enables anticompetitive tactics. Given detailed information about competitors coverage areas and sites (especially wireless ISPs towers), large incumbent carriers can precisely target anticompetitive tactics (e.g. predatory pricing, long term "lock in" contracts, etc.) at the areas which competitors serve, while not losing money on other areas. And since our countrys current broadband policy does nothing to aid these competitors in any way, theyre vulnerable. Want a duopoly? Gather competitive intelligence, at government expense, for the big guys who will use it to wipe out all competitors. On the other hand, if you want users to have a choice of providers, or to foster the deployment of broadband to unserved or underserved areas, youll advocate exactly what "Connected Nation" does: map the general coverage areas but aggregate the information so that it cannot be used to harm competition. And keep the detailed, sensitive information that providers can't risk publishing under NDA. It just makes sense, and it's the only way to ensure that providers will be able to fully cooperate with a mapping effort. | |
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| Questionable... I don't know about Connected Nation, but as far as Connect Kentucky goes.. I don't trust them.
The reason being there is a city near my home town that was installing fiber.. and connected nation was heavily against the idea of them doing this.
( I recall reading an article about this..)
I am being vague, because this was quite awhile ago....but still it made me question this group. | |
|  |  | | Municipal broadband is a bad idea. Usually, it favors a single carrier and disadvantages the others. (The fiber project in Powell, Wyoming is a good example; it locked competition out for 10 years, making it unlikely that our ISP will ever serve that city.) And municipal wireless is even worse, because it takes over the radio spectrum and actively jams the signals of private providers who are trying to offer coverage. Government should encourage the development of broadband, but it has no business competing unfairly with private businesses. | |
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 | | Unnconnected Nation take a look at what connected nation did in minesota. they stated you can get broadband in the boundry waters, Ah I don't think so. They then brought a wireless salesman to the presentation. Who wants wireless crappy speed and fade outs. The map is so bogus it is funny. All they did was sendouta survey to the telco and say where do you internet at. the test server they used would report dial up as 700k. Thay are a scam. | |
|  | | Too Bad For Them I live in downtown Chicago because I want the fastest internet in the region. I pay the highest taxes in the country, breathe dirty air, have miserably cold weather, and potholes up the ass. However, I choose to put up with all that because I want the fastest internet possible.
Why should my hard earned money go to subsidize people who choose to live in rural areas. They have fresh air, peace & quiet, plenty of space, serene views, and the list goes on. If these rural Americans want fast internet, they need to pay whatever it costs to get it, so long as it doesn't cost me ANYTHING! | |
|  |  | | Re: An accurate census must always rely on confidentiality. said by Calvin489167 :
Why should my hard earned money go to subsidize people who choose to live in rural areas.
Maybe so that you could move there and avoid "the highest taxes in the country... dirty air... miserably cold weather, and potholes up the ass?" | |
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 marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM join:2002-05-13 Saint Louis, MO kudos:2 | Mapping broadband $350M. Every parcel in American: $200M ESRI, the premier mapping software company in the nation, AKA the Microsoft of GIS, released a white paper detailing how every parcel in the country could be mapped for $200M. Every parcel. That's a very significant development for real estate and construction.
»www.gotgeoint.com/archives/a-pro···nal-gis/
(Other links have since been pulled since the proposal was rejected.)
We could do a comprehension elevation, hydrology, cadastral, transportation, land cover, and boundary map for $1.2B. That's six major layers down to meter resolution.
And it's going to cost $350M to map broadband down to not even km resolution? -- ISCABBS - the oldest and largest BBS on the Internet telnet://bbs.iscabbs.com Professional Geographer Geographic Information Science researcher | |
|  radiowebstBrian Webster join:2009-02-02 Cooperstown, NY | National Broadband availability a simple solution to mapping Zip Code Tabulation Areas (ZCTA Polygons) |  Census Tracts |  Census Block Groups |  Census Blocks |
The 350 million dollars allocated for a national broadband mapping is way more than necessary. Read through this message to get an idea of the issue and examine the attached maps to see what we are dealing with using any particular level of mapping detail. This is obviously just my opinion but one worth consideration.
I have attached map images of Tom Green County, Texas with the different polygons the Census Bureau uses in their demographic tabulations. I chose this county because it seems to be a decent cross section of rural America but also has a high population density area. »en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tom_Green_···y,_Texas
Here are the raw numbers, but you need to look at the attached images to see how the totals can be deceiving when compared to the map:
Zip Code Tabulation areas = 13 Polygons (These polygons are made up by the Census Bureau, the post office does not create zip code polygons, zip codes are linear routing for them) The FCC already has this data collected using the Form 477.
Census Tracts = 23 Polygons (look in the rural areas outside San Angelo to see that they are actually much bigger than the zip code areas) This is the level of reporting required on the new Form 477.
Census Block Groups = 101 Polygons
Census Blocks = 5241 Polygons (even in the rural areas these are much smaller than Tracts or Zip Codes). Blocks are the most granular level studied by the Census.
The problem with the FCC data in the current state is, if there is just one single customer reported as served in a polygon, they show the whole area as being served by broadband. We know the number of households in each of the polygons (Census 2000 Figures). If the FCC totaled the number of subscribers for all form 477 respondents (by zip code) and then divided that by the total households, we could have a percentage of the households served within each polygon. This would be much better than an all or nothing reporting method. This would also not cost anywhere near 350 million dollars to report broadband availability to the public. If the total subscribers was aggregated by all carriers (removing the data for Satellite Internet), you would not know the specific totals for each provider, thus preserving private information.
Just thought I would post this for all to see and become familiar with the issue. | |
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