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kudos:1 | basic math GSM is worldwide, so the new kindle can be sold worldwide, cdma is a minority in the world. So again like the iphone, why bother with cdma at this point. | |
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1 edit | Re: basic math Mainly because AT&T's coverage sucks in some parts of the US, while you can get a CDMA signal from Verizon or Sprint almost anywhere you go.
Anyway, everyone is going to LTE so it will be a moot point soon. | |
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| | | | Re: basic math said by fifty nine:Mainly because AT&T's coverage sucks in some parts of the US, while you can get a CDMA signal from Verizon or Sprint almost anywhere you go. Anyway, everyone is going to LTE so it will be a moot point soon. Those Maps Verizon are touting are AT&T's 3G. GSM is available everywhere CDMA is. Actually AT&T has the country better penetrated than Verizon. Verizon Wireless has better brainwashing. | |
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3 edits | Re: basic math said by itguy05:said by fifty nine:Mainly because AT&T's coverage sucks in some parts of the US, while you can get a CDMA signal from Verizon or Sprint almost anywhere you go. Anyway, everyone is going to LTE so it will be a moot point soon. Those Maps Verizon are touting are AT&T's 3G. GSM is available everywhere CDMA is. Actually AT&T has the country better penetrated than Verizon. Verizon Wireless has better brainwashing. Hmmm... really?
Where I live the ATT coverage is spotty while Verizon is solid.
I have an ATT phone from work and I get lots of dropped calls compared to my personal Verizon phone, up where I live.
Another area that was a total let down with AT&T was in rural parts of the lehigh valley area, Pennsylvania. AT&T had no coverage, Verizon had two bars. In fact I was pissed off that I was missing important calls from work when I went to visit my friends there, so I just started forwarding the AT&T phone to my personal Verizon phone.
If AT&T truly had the best US coverage, they wouldn't have to add the fine print disclaimer on the bottom of their ads that say "based on international coverage" | |
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| | | | | | | Re: basic math said by r81984:If you live in Sussex, NJ you have great ATT coverage. Within 10 miles of you there are like 13 towers. GSM coverage is about 25 miles. I live in Wantage, not Sussex. Sussex is the post office, and anywhere you put zipcode 07461 it comes up as Sussex.
Your map also shows that ATT towers are only along route 284 while most of Wantage and Western Sussex County (West of the ATT towers) is left without ATT coverage.
It amazes me at how people lie about cell coverage.
Don't take my word for it. Look at the maps between the both carriers.
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»www.wireless.att.com/coverageviewer/ (ATT)
»www.verizonwireless.com/b2c/Cove···ntroller (Verizon)
Verizon clearly has more coverage. | |
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| | | | | | | | | Re: basic math said by r81984:For GSM you can't just look at ATT. I can, because roaming is roaming, and roaming costs money.
Anyways it is obvious you are lying. You live within 10 miles of 13 ATT towers (not counting any other GSM towers) so you have great local coverage in Sussex, NJ. Other GSM towers? Our town fought T-Mobile for two years in court. Cell towers are not easy to put up in this town.
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You have never driven coast to coast or you would have easily have seen that ATT beats verizon.
And you live in Canada, so you have no idea of what our coverage is like here. Stick to your own country. | |
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1 edit | said by fifty nine:I live in Wantage, not Sussex. Sussex is the post office, and anywhere you put zipcode 07461 it comes up as Sussex. Your map also shows that ATT towers are only along route 284 while most of Wantage and Western Sussex County (West of the ATT towers) is left without ATT coverage. Now you can't read maps.
Anyways it shows two towers basically in Wantage and you are within 10 miles of over 10 towers. Why do you lie about coverge?
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| | | | | | | | | Re: basic math Maybe you should try being in Missouri, There are very few areas where any GSM carrier beats CDMA. I can call from basements and metal buildings (on my Verizon BlackBerry) while my at&t buddies can't even get a 911 signal. I can also use my 3G coverage from St. Louis all the way to Kansas City, MO if I want while at&t only has 3G coverage in STL, Columbia, and KC on I-70 (minus a couple of smaller towns by the major areas) so I will stick with my CDMA. I also have Sprint for my Netbook (CDMA Powered.. had the choice for at&t and wouldn't touch them).
Perhaps you should try actually traveling the USA just like you suggested that Eat Me should.... Also at&t has a major problem with not updating its map info with the FCC fast enough and since you are using a 3rd party site the information may be incorrect.
Now since I have said the above, LET IT DROP. | |
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| said by fifty nine:Mainly because AT&T's coverage sucks in some parts of the US, while you can get a CDMA signal from Verizon or Sprint almost anywhere you go. Anyway, everyone is going to LTE so it will be a moot point soon. ATT actually has better coverage across the US.
If you ever traveled from coast to coast you would know that.
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| | | | | Re: basic math said by r81984:said by fifty nine:Mainly because AT&T's coverage sucks in some parts of the US, while you can get a CDMA signal from Verizon or Sprint almost anywhere you go. Anyway, everyone is going to LTE so it will be a moot point soon. ATT actually has better coverage across the US. If you ever traveled from coast to coast you would know that. I have in fact traveled from coast to coast, and border to border and Verizon has always had better coverage.
I have two phones - one from Verizon and one from AT&T.
Believe me, I wish that ATT had better coverage because ATT is my work phone and hence it's more important that I'm reachable on ATT versus Verizon. | |
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Madison, NJ | It's simple. Sprint agreed the best deal tyo use their network. Obviously AT&T could not or would not match that deal in the USA. Anyway GSM has been progressing to W-CDMA. as opposed to CDMA2000 on Sprint. | |
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| Re: pay Probably a bare minimum needed for the tiny bits of data that comprise the e-books.
Though I don't care for GSM technology, making it "worldwide" is kind of an obvious next step, and they're going with what's available.
Don't think I'll ever buy one after reading about how they can remotely erase books...
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| CDMA works in more than just US .. CDMA works in US, Mexico, Canada, Bahamas, India, Japan, etc ... even on cruise ships around the world, so it's not all that odd.
It's not that hard to have a universal CDMA/GSM chip, I don't know why they didn't do this instead of having 2 versions. | |
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Reston, VA | Re: CDMA works in more than just US .. said by cruz :
It's not that hard to have a universal CDMA/GSM chip, I don't know why they didn't do this instead of having 2 versions.
Not difficult to have, but they probably saved a good chunk of money going with an exclusive chip. Although, I have a "World Edition" BlackBerry now, and it does not seem to be any more expensive than my CDMA-only BlackBerry that I had before. | |
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Valencia, CA | Because of the volume...
GSM (including UMTS/HSPA) account for 4 billion globally, while CDMA 2000 (1x/evdo) account for ~500 million. | |
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| | | | Re: CDMA works in more than just US .. said by en102:Because of the volume... GSM (including UMTS/HSPA) account for 4 billion globally, while CDMA 2000 (1x/evdo) account for ~500 million. What does that matter to me? I travel outside of the US maybe once every 5 years. | |
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| Re: Should Have Been From the Beginning said by elias:This should have been the first Kindle; they shouldn't have wasted time making a CDMA model in the first place. I agree.
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| | Pushes Sprint out of the Kind equation? Yeah right. Because we all just travel so much to Europe. I dont know about you guys but I'm there like 5 times a year so I HAVE to have my worldwide coverage...
give me a break. World wide coverage is so overblown. I'd say less than 1% of all us citizens even travel outside the country in a given year. Would it be nice to have - sure. But 99% of people do NOT base their phone or in this case Kindle purchase decision based on whether or not they can phone home Balboa, Spain because in reality people travel outside the country much less than the ATT commercials would let you think. | |
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