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kudos:1 | Re: i hope la wins! While I'm all in favor of holding TW accountable, they'll just "pay" for this lawsuit through increased cable rates. TW will have the last laugh.
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Limbo | Re: i hope la wins! said by Dogfather:It will come out of their huge margins. By a weird combination, I have to agree with you AND djrobx.
It should come out of their margins but they'll probably just lube up their customers and bend them over yet again.
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: i hope la wins! I don't think so. The penalties are likely cheaper than the attention of a price increase and revamping materials.
They'll just pay the dough and continue shuffling management given things are already improving (according to these news reports).
If they just raise prices in response to the franchise authority it will just bring another and much bigger response from the franchise authority. | |
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kudos:4 | said by djrobx:While I'm all in favor of holding TW accountable, they'll just "pay" for this lawsuit through increased cable rates. TW will have the last laugh. Yes. The only winners would be the law firms on both sides that would drag this out in the court for years.
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: i hope la wins! That is unless TWC actually fixes their problems. | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: i hope la wins! I had zero problem with TW in Temescal Valley, but Comcast was the worst. They raised my video HSI rates 30%, latency was 500ms and their video was 30% more than ATTB.
Thankfully out there I'm getting FiOS. Now if only Laguna Hills was in VZ territory. | |
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1 edit | Re: i hope la wins! I had zero problems with comcast, had all the hd programming for free, and had the best on demand selection of free movies and hd content possible...
forgot to add that my hsi speed was higher with comcast and my bill was lower than today as well | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: i hope la wins! Aren't you in FiOS land? | |
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2 edits | said by Dogfather:I had zero problem with TW in Temescal Valley, but Comcast was the worst. They raised my video HSI rates 30%, latency was 500ms and their video was 30% more than ATTB. Thankfully out there I'm getting FiOS. Now if only Laguna Hills was in VZ territory. my latency is 15,000ms from time of click to start of download
on lot's of sites
google.com takes 30 seconds to load
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Laguna Hills, CA | Good Force the cable operators to live up to their agreements or surrender the franchise. | |
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| Re: Good said by Dogfather:Force the cable operators to live up to their agreements or surrender the franchise. The big question is - to whom?
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1 edit | Re: Good TWC isn't the only cable operator on the planet or perhaps Los Angeles can run it themselves as a muni or Cox Communications which operates in south Orange County. | |
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1 edit | said by Derspankster:said by Dogfather:Force the cable operators to live up to their agreements or surrender the franchise. The big question is - to whom? Good point. Who would pay TWC for their infrastructure if LA awarded them a franchise. US law would prohibit the state from confiscating TWC property without recompense. And if LA awarded the franchise to someone else, it would take years for them to build their own system, or they have to pay TWC big bucks.
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1 edit | Re: Good Compensation is subjective and without a franchise agreement the cable system is worthless to TWC.
Meanwhile let the city or another cable system pay TWC big bucks. Cable operations are highly profitable if not mismanaged.
Personally I think all this infrastructure should be municipally owned so this isn't a problem in the future. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Good Yeah, the question is to whom...Comcast? Charter? *shakes head* | |
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3 edits | Re: Good There are dozens and dozens of cable operators.
For LA, Cox comes to mind given their local presence and success here. They run their OC operations very well (from my 10+ year digitial CATV+HSI experience with them anyway). | |
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3 edits | Re: Good said by Cthen:said by Dogfather:There are dozens and dozens of cable operators. Could you please list these 24 cable operators that you speak of? There are tons of regional and local cable providers. Here is a partial list of about 50 and doesn't include Verizon or AT&T who theoretically could buy it.
Adelphia
Advanced Cable Communications
Alameda Power and Telecom
Allegiance Communications / Buford Media Group
Armstrong
Astound Broadband
Avalon (Catalina) Cable
Bermuda CableVision
Blue Ridge Communications
Bresnan Communications
Bright House Networks
Buckeye Cable System/Buckeye Cablevision/Erie County Cablevision (all owned by Block Communications)
CableOne
Cablevision
Cebridge Connections
Charter Communications
Choice Cable TV
Comcast Corporation
CommuniComm Services
Cox Communications
Crestview Cable
Cable Systems Incorporated
Fairpoint Communications
Full Channel
General Communications
Graceba Total Communications
Hometown Cable
Insight Communications
Jet Broadband
Kuhn Communications
Lexcom Communications
LIberty Cablevision
Massillon Cable TV
Mediacom
Midcontinent Communications
Midtel Cable TV
Millennium Digital Media
Muscatine Power and Water
Nelson Cable
Northland Cable Television
Patriot Media
Qwest Communications
RCN Corporation
Seaport Capital (includes Conversent Communications, Everest Cable, MCV Broadband, Metrocast Communications, Mid-Missouri Telephone and Otelco Holdings)
Service Electric
SuddenLink
Susquehanna Cable
Tele-Media Corporation
Time Warner Cable
Trinity Cable
Truvista Communications
US Cable
Viacom
WB Cable
WOW! Internet Cable Phone
Wyandotte Municipal Services (Community-Owned, Not-for-Profit Services Provider, Wyandotte, Michigan) | |
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4 edits | Re: Good I thought they owned one but it got absorbed by another cable operator. The old Viacom system looks to be owned by Comcast. I crossed it off the list I found. There are probably a few others on there that aren't around any more. | |
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said by Dogfather:said by Cthen:said by Dogfather:There are dozens and dozens of cable operators. Could you please list these 24 cable operators that you speak of? There are tons of regional and local cable providers. Here is a partial list of about 50 and doesn't include Verizon or AT&T who theoretically could buy it. Adelphia Advanced Cable Communications Alameda Power and Telecom Allegiance Communications / Buford Media Group Armstrong Astound Broadband Avalon (Catalina) Cable Bermuda CableVision Blue Ridge Communications Bresnan Communications Bright House Networks Buckeye Cable System/Buckeye Cablevision/Erie County Cablevision (all owned by Block Communications) CableOne Cablevision Cebridge Connections Charter Communications Choice Cable TV Comcast Corporation CommuniComm Services Cox Communications Crestview Cable Cable Systems Incorporated Fairpoint Communications Full Channel General Communications Graceba Total Communications Hometown Cable Insight Communications Jet Broadband Kuhn Communications Lexcom Communications LIberty Cablevision Massillon Cable TV Mediacom Midcontinent Communications Midtel Cable TV Millennium Digital Media Muscatine Power and Water Nelson Cable Northland Cable Television Patriot Media Qwest Communications RCN Corporation Seaport Capital (includes Conversent Communications, Everest Cable, MCV Broadband, Metrocast Communications, Mid-Missouri Telephone and Otelco Holdings) Service Electric SuddenLink Susquehanna Cable Tele-Media Corporation Time Warner Cable Trinity Cable Truvista Communications US Cable ViacomWB Cable WOW! Internet Cable Phone Wyandotte Municipal Services (Community-Owned, Not-for-Profit Services Provider, Wyandotte, Michigan) | |
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3 edits | Re: Good Read the thread. The question is if TWC was forced to give up the franchise, who could take over. The two choices given by a poster were Comcast and Charter, neither being very good.
My point is that there are far more cable operators than just Comcast and Charter and I suggested Cox Communications who has a well run franchise just south of LA in Orange County (I've had them for Digital CATV and HSI more than 10 years). Then came the challenge to list 2 dozen cable operators so after a quick google I posted a partial list of about 4 dozen.
And yes, there are some on that list that could run a cable system in Los Angeles should TWC be forced out (there are also some on that old list that aren't around any more but could be replaced on that list by one of any of the other smaller cable operators not on the list). | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Good That's why I think Cox would be an excellent choice if TWC can't get their act together. Cox has a local presence here and is doing a good job. | |
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said by Dogfather:said by Cthen:said by Dogfather:There are dozens and dozens of cable operators. Could you please list these 24 cable operators that you speak of? There are tons of regional and local cable providers. Here is a partial list of about 50 and doesn't include Verizon or AT&T who theoretically could buy it. Adelphia Advanced Cable Communications Alameda Power and Telecom Allegiance Communications / Buford Media Group Armstrong Astound Broadband Avalon (Catalina) Cable Bermuda CableVision Blue Ridge Communications Bresnan Communications Bright House Networks Buckeye Cable System/Buckeye Cablevision/Erie County Cablevision (all owned by Block Communications) CableOne Cablevision Cebridge Connections Charter Communications Choice Cable TV Comcast Corporation CommuniComm Services Cox Communications Crestview Cable Cable Systems Incorporated Fairpoint Communications Full Channel General Communications Graceba Total Communications Hometown Cable Insight Communications Jet Broadband Kuhn Communications Lexcom Communications LIberty Cablevision Massillon Cable TV Mediacom Midcontinent Communications Midtel Cable TV Millennium Digital Media Muscatine Power and Water Nelson Cable Northland Cable Television Patriot Media Qwest Communications RCN Corporation Seaport Capital (includes Conversent Communications, Everest Cable, MCV Broadband, Metrocast Communications, Mid-Missouri Telephone and Otelco Holdings) Service Electric SuddenLink Susquehanna Cable Tele-Media Corporation Time Warner Cable Trinity Cable Truvista Communications US Cable ViacomWB Cable WOW! Internet Cable Phone Wyandotte Municipal Services (Community-Owned, Not-for-Profit Services Provider, Wyandotte, Michigan) | |
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2 edits | Re: Good Please read the thread.
At no time did anyone state that these are your CURRENT choices in Los Angeles.
But yes, there is little (other than gov't protesting) that would stop one of our local telcos like Verizon or AT&T from buying a cable system like the one operaterated by TWC in Los Angeles. They certainly have the money to do so and the skill to run it if they chose to. AT&T Broadband around here (Corona) was very well run before Comcast got it and promptly ran it into the ground with 30% price increases and cuts in service. | |
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Northridge, CA | Is it possible? I haven't call in for my RR line in forever, not cause it doesn't go down, just, its a back line for my DSL, so I just unplug it and check it again the next day. But I don't think I've ever called them and got some one in 30 seconds or less. For that matter, I do not think I've called any place and talked to some one in that short of time.
How could anyone company agree to that with out snickering?
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Valencia, CA | Re: Is it possible? I had TWC in Northridge as well. I actually didn't mind it much. They had self install kits for discount back then (gave me 2 free months of service). When I moved from Northridge to Valencia, Comcast was there and was VERY pricey upfront to get service.
Eg. TWC was $90 for HSI + digital (2001/2002)
Comcast was +$100 ($60 for digital + $45/month for internet )
TWC had no charge install or install yourself and receive free service (1 month for adding digital, 1 month for adding HSI, and 1 more month if I did referral)
Comcast wanted a $100 install fee + shipping/handling of the digital box (fedex) + programming fee
Comcast also 'bundled' some channels into higher tiers:
Newsworld International was bundled into an international tier which required digital + extra tier.
TWC offered it as part of the basic digital service, as did DTV.
Worst part was that I would have gone 'Broadcast Basic' however, they would not sell it to me, as 'it was not available in your zip code' wether I ordered through CS or online.
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Michigan City, IN | lol ? From the article:
"The suit says the company failed to live up to its part of the franchise cable agreement requiring that a company answer subscribers' calls within 30 seconds"
That's pretty funny right there..I wish every company answered their customers calls within 30seconds. 
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1 edit | Done with cable! I am DONE with cable television. The service sucks. The attitude sucks. The pricing is stupid for what would otherwise be free over the air. I've been a subscriber of the top tier "every chanel" package for years... and they lost me completely. "Basic" cable should be ad supported and free so they can get the boxes into the homes and upsell "premium" content.
I canceled my cable and now get 100% of my shows on-line.
If I were at the TV networks, I'd be leaning on the cable companies to get their collective acts together... network TV is loosing their path into the home.
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Waterbury, CT | Good Grief... cut TW a little slack.
350k to 1.9 million customers overnight and they want them answering the phones in 30 seconds?
I'd like to propose a little test. How about everyone who frequents BBR call LA city hall tomorrow at 9am all at the same time and see if they answer their phones in 30 seconds.
LOL...you probably couldn't get 1/2 their "civil servants" out of bed by 9am..never mind on the phone.
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said by Rick:cut TW a little slack. 350k to 1.9 million customers overnight and they want them answering the phones in 30 seconds? I'd like to propose a little test. How about everyone who frequents BBR call LA city hall tomorrow at 9am all at the same time and see if they answer their phones in 30 seconds. LOL...you probably couldn't get 1/2 their "civil servants" out of bed by 9am..never mind on the phone. Wasn't that immediate growth expected?
Sounds like you believe David can buy Goliath and acceptably not worry about Goliath's customer base. Makes sense when you are an effective monopoly...I can only imagine a truly competitive entity comparing themselves to the gov ....they might sustain a few months, if lucky. You apparently work in the industry and don't get it. | |
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1 edit | Re: Good Grief... You certainly did one helluva job distorting my words.
I didn't say they didn't have an obligation to worry about adelphia's customer base. Actually...I was one of those customers myself.
Nor did I say that this growth was unexpected. It was though..on fairly short notice as the terms of the deal were worked out.
It is a major undertaking to mold a companies operations of that size into your own..much less be able to do it overnight.
My point is that it is totally ridiculous to hold a company accountable during a period like that because they don't answer a phone in 30 seconds. I don't call anyone expecting to connect to someone in 30 seconds much less to have an appointment or issue resolved overnight.
I called my dentist yesterday to schedule an appt and their first one was for 3 weeks from now.
Why should such a laughable number as 30 seconds and 24 hours be applied to this industry..much less sue them when they can't meet it during such busy time as having to integrate an operation like that into their own?
It was TOTALLY unreasonable to expect that from anyone..or any company. | |
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kudos:1 | said by Rick:cut TW a little slack. 350k to 1.9 million customers overnight and they want them answering the phones in 30 seconds? So how did Adelphia answer phones? They were under the same requirement, what happened to their call center contracts? | |
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Pacific Palisades, CA | Re: Way to go LA!!! Back in January 2007 following months of frustration with the takeover by TWC of the Adelphia network I posted my comments, on the Adlephia Forum, which included a suggestion for making a formal written complaint to the LA City Council of their performance, and it was immediately sent to the Rants and Raves Forum. It was not unreasonable to expect some issues with the change but TWC kept advertising superior services and higher speeds as a result of the change. It simply did not happen as they promised and promoted. Clearly, now with the law suit, there were enough Adelphia customers who felt the same way. That said their performance has greatly improved over the past year but I am now paying twice the price, for about the same speeds, I initially had with Adelphia. | |
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