 SierraRob
join:2007-01-10
Prather, CA | Sigh Translation: those of you in the suburbs and rural areas can just forget about LTE deployment until hell freezes over. Continue to enjoy your dialup! | |
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TKJunkMail
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| Re: Sigh said by SierraRob  :Translation: those of you in the suburbs and rural areas can just forget about LTE deployment until hell freezes over. Continue to enjoy your dialup! Suburbs and rural areas are already getting 3G speeds, which is faster than dial-up.
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| | | decifal
join:2007-03-10
Bon Aqua, TN
| Re: Sigh said by TKJunkMail :said by SierraRob : Suburbs and rural areas are already getting 3G speeds, which is faster than dial-up. Bullcrap! No 3G coverage in site... A somewhat shady EVDO, but god its soo unstable if theres not a 100 percent line of site that I find it unaccountable | |
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join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA
| Re: Sigh EV-DO coverage is a form of 3G, no matter what GSM people may say otherwise. Of course, under the technical definition of 3G by the IMT-2000 standards, EDGE (which essentially covers all of the US GSM footprint) and 1xRTT (which covers all of the US CDMA footprint) are both 3G technologies- well, they are faster than dialup (usually), though not by that much. | |
| | | wispalord
join:2007-09-20
House Springs, MO | not here, 3g here is worse than dialup! and EVDO is not here, Sprint dont have signal at all, so rural still sucks. | |
| daveberstein
join:2002-07-15
New York, NY
| Confirming the femtocell significance Well informed people believe that femtocells will be deployed in the millions and possibly tens of millions in the U.S., and make an enormous difference in the wireless experience. Off the record, a senior tech executive at one of the carriers is telling people they will buy 5-10M as soon as the technology is reliable and the costs come down.
Which is remarkable for something that is only recently out of the labs and thoroughly unproven. But AT&T has ordered 100,000 units, and other carriers are moving from trials to deployments, because they believe the advantages are overwhelming. Adding a femtocell to your DSL or cable connection will mean you will be able to make excellent wireless calls from anywhere in most houses and offices. Something like 30 or 40% of wireless calls are from home or office, so this really matters even if you keep your wired line. It saves an enormous amount of bandwidth for the wireless network, because it will move 20-40% of traffic via the modem and the Internet rather than over the air, and wireless does have important bandwidth limits.
Which is why I'm writing. It's all theory for now, but actually femtos will probably roll early in the suburbs, unlike the expectation of a previous post. They will be offered to anyone who has broadband and a wireless phone from the same carrier (Verizon, AT&T, and soon Comcast and Cox), which will include many in the suburbs. It's actually easier to do femtos where people are further apart, because they generally use the same frequencies and interfere with each other. The signal carries hundreds of feet and often through walls, so five femtos in an apartment building can have interference problems only partially solved.
Femtos carry a few hundred feet and through walls in ideal conditions, which means that if many of the houses in a neighborhood have femtos there will be a wireless cloud throughout. We didn't all live in yellow submarines, but most of us will be in a wireless cloud. Just as a mobile phone can connect you to almost all your friends, we will all have the wireless Internet with us all the time with unlimited information. Think that guy is cute but you want to know more because he looks dangerous. Step out for a smoke for a minute and check goggle and facebook. Want to know if any of your friends are nearby when you have an hour to kill. Log on. Every location based service you can imagine, from finding directions to getting a review of all the restaurants in walking distance. Plus much more we haven't thought of.
The expected savings in bandwidth in 3G and 4G data are so large that carriers with wireless will probably include femtos in every modem they send out. Soon, they'll be down to half the size of the cell phone and cheap enough for a carrier to include in every modem in the knowledge that some of those families will sooner or later switch their wireless plan.
Most of which is likely 2 to 4 years and thoroughly unproven. There are significant problems of interference not fully solved, and much else that might develop if millions were deployed.
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| | openbox9
join:2004-01-26
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: Confirming the femtocell significance Sounds nice. It'll sound even better if wireless providers stop charging extra for the "privilege" of offloading traffic from their network onto a potential competitor's. Give me a femto at no cost to me, and credit my account for a portion of the minutes that I offload from the wireless network, and I'll sign up. Until then, I think it will be a somewhat hard sell.
I realize you said femtocells will likely be deployed to customers that have both wireless and wired connections from the same company. Obviously, this only "aids" a portion of consumers. What about the rest of us? Also, I'm assuming the consumed bandwidth from the femtocells will be counted for the increasingly popular consumption caps and fair use policies? | |
| | | daveberstein
join:2002-07-15
New York, NY
| Femtocell business side unclear All your comments and questions about the companies and charging are to the point, but it's still essentially trials and I have no information.
The suggestion that the femtocell cloud be shared is a good one. It would save billions in duplicate networks and give better service to all. | |
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Killa200
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join:2005-12-02
Spring City, TN | Re: Femtocell business side unclear call me rude... but i am not wasting my bandwidth on someone else's call until the cell phone company starts paying me to handle their clients. | |
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NotAnEasyMark
@sbcglobal.net
| Femtocell pretty clear to me... That was my first question about Femtocells when I saw a charge for them.
What? I have to pay for Letting some that could or will be unknown "freeloaders" tapping my connection that might have a cap?
If Femtocells are not free and without *liability*, an important "feature" at this growing fascist period in our time, count me out.  | |
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jjoshua
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join:2001-06-01
Scotch Plains, NJ | So... So I can host the wireless company's equipment and pay to access it? And then I can pay for the broadband connection?
Sounds like a winner for the wireless company. | |
| sameshtdd
join:2006-01-04
Teaneck, NJ | Comcast Will Love This A nice way for you to get to your caps a whole lot quicker! | |
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NOCMan
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| There are NO LTE femtocells I do not know where this article gets it's information, but there are not LTE femtocells in production at this time.
They're all HSPDA or EVDO.
LTE deployments will happen probably in the 2010-2011 timeframe, but there would be little incentive to sell phones with all these features that would only work in the home or near a LTE Femtocell.
Point in case. The current generation of Femtocells are most likely be locked to registered phones. That means when you buy the femtocell you have to register your phone to it. You'll also have to sign an agreement about 911 since it's going to be much like how VOIP deals with 911 addresses for voip gateway products.
For that reason alone, nobody would be allowed to register on your femtocell in your home that was not previously registered to it.
Imagine the neighbor suing you because their kid died because the EMT's went to your house first before they realized it really should have been next door.
This will not be resolved until units are ID'd by the femtocell network as to where they are originating from. Knowing a local call for a registered phone vs a roaming call hitting the femtocell would go a long ways in how the E911 system determines location.
Excuse my while I go patent a few ideas..
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| Re: There are NO LTE femtocells said by NOCMan :Excuse my while I go patent a few ideas.. Save yourself the trouble. Home specific femtocells and wireless phones that work on them are already available, mainstream and cheap. It's called Wi-Fi with VOIP Wi-Fi phones. Demand for this technology has already been met quite nicely.
LTE networks themselves will probably be an interlinked communications system based on WDS type of technology. This simply provides a large footprint of connectivity. Specific user traffic would be conducted across this wireless system but still be handled by your own personal router which is a part of the larger wireless network. This femtocell LTE network will be sorta like a wireless version of the internet. | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Re: There are NO LTE femtocells You forget all the fun legal problems such a system would introduce. Like I said the new systems that AT&T and Verizon will be fielding will only serve phones registered to them through a provisioning process. So Joe Neighbor will not be able to use your femtocell.
AT&T alone put in a contract for 8 million femtocells earlier this year. I would expect to see them Q4 or Q1 09. | |
| | EPS
join:2008-02-13
Hingham, MA | Well obviously there are no LTE femtocells in production, there's basically no LTE anything in production, except for small-scale experimental purposes... | |
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NOCMan
Verizon Fios User
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join:2004-09-30
Flower Mound, TX
| Re: There are NO LTE femtocells There's always the LTE iPhone. It's a small change to convert silicon to support different radios. The first LTE phones will be EVDO/LTE and HSPDA/LTE.
The bigger difference will be if Verizon does not upgrade to EvDO which supports calls, the current version Rev A and it's predecessor do not support voice calls. 1xRTT does handle voice calls. So most likely to save money VZ will leave in 1xRTT support and do voice over LTE and 1xRTT while EVD0 Rev A will be the last upgrade you will see.
AT&T has the advantage I believe with support for voice over HSPDA and will find themselves better positioned to upgrade to LTE in most markets.
Verizon and AT&T though will have to do a lot of working with each other on how their towers interact with each other and with other older networks of theirs. If they wish to make their networks appear bigger they will have to find some common synergistic ground to work together to enhance the buildouts.
Otherwise it will be a very spotty and expensive deployment for both. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| Pipe dream alive and well Well, I see there is plenty of crack floating around here. Everyone is talking about LTE's "extras" like it's deployed already. Sounds like a few spinners just trying to keep the hype rolling on just another way to suck money from another fad. At least WiMax is already tested and about the hit the streets in a few weeks. I'm sure if VZW was behind it, it would be daily headlines.  | |
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