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join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | LTE2 2018, 35Mbps wireless. AvCONE technologies.
Just makes me wonder how fast wired connections will be at that point.... | |
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 | me1212
join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | Re: LTE2 I am more concerned with the cap than speed. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: LTE2 Same here - I'd personally take a +20GB cap with 500kbps-1.5Mbps before I'd take a 3Mbps with 5GB cap.
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Hydraglass
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join:2002-05-08
Kingston, ON
 ·Bell Sympatico
| Re: LTE2 said by en102  :Same here - I'd personally take a +20GB cap with 500kbps-1.5Mbps before I'd take a 3Mbps with 5GB cap. Speak for yourself there - I'd rather 100Mbps with a 10GB cap over 1.5Mbps with a 300GB cap any day - ESPECIALLY on a wireless device. Having the typically small-ish size web content and apps as well as tethered e-mail operate at blazing speeds rather than crawl along uselessly. If I need huge amounts of data, there are places to get that -- it's why I have a server in a rack in a local co-lo datacenter with 2000GB/mo of bandwidth. If I need something huge (>5GB) I initiate the download there and stop by the DC and grab the removable spare drive with my files on it.
When it comes to wireless/mobile data access, it's all about the speed - not the throughput. If you're trying to find your way in an unfamiliar area using a google maps app on your wireless device, you want the pages and maps and street views to load ASAP. You want your emails to appear instant. You want fast - because 99% of the time you're extremely time-constrained when using a mobile internet device - be it a phone or a wireless data card in a laptop. E.g. you're walking down the street in the city with a group of friends and someone says "let's get ice cream" - you need to be able to find the nearest 3-4 ice-cream shoppes in 10-15 seconds and be able to tell the group which way to turn at the next light. You're not trying to download a linux distro, PS3 or X360 games, full length feature film, etc. If you are, maybe you need to re-evaluate how and where and why you are doing those things and what benefit you are getting from it. | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
 ·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: LTE2 Most wireless devices would be consuming too much CPU to handle process high data rates to be currently useful.
Email at 1.5Mbps - active sync runs in seconds.
At 100Mbps... it runs in... second or 2 ?
At 1.5Mbps... emails appear in an instant. 100Mbps would give HDTV. I use Google maps, and it does appear in an instant.
Making full use of data over a months period (some YouTube, remote desktop, MS-patching (yeah - If I'm using a datacard... I want to be able to patch my own PC). I may not expect a +300 GB cap... but I do expect a reasonsable amount of use.
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join:2009-05-12
| Re: LTE2 I agree 100%. I see the wireless carriers' need for _reasonable_ cap, but 5GB is a joke.
I'm happy with the speed of my EVDO connection, it's essentially as fast as the device will handle. OTOH, I bump into that 5GB cap, because I listen to a lot of internet radio. With Hulu, the cap would be a total joke.
I sure wouldn't want to be so limited that I had to stop by the datacenter whenever I needed to download a large file. I'd flat out go back to dial up before I'd put up with a carrier that wouldn't handle large files. | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| said by baineschile :2018, 35Mbps wireless. AvCONE technologies. Just makes me wonder how fast wired connections will be at that point.... burn through that 5 GB monthly cap in only 20 minutes! | |
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| xenophon
join:2007-09-17
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1 edit | The speed of the device has almost no meaning. It's all about backhaul and spectrum. WiMAX devices already can do 35Mbps (in a lab). The backhaul to the site needs to be enough to get high speeds to every user. MIMO antennas will also probably be needed to get past 10Mbps at distances.
LTE has virtually no technology advantage over WiMAX as they are essentially the same core technology at the physical layer. It's about how the carrier actually delivers it.
Sprint has enough spectrum (about 100mhz per market) to actually deliver ultra high speeds. I believe ATT/Verizon only get about 25Mhz of spectrum in the 700mhz space for LTE. It also depends on how much backhaul they will provide to every site.
WiMAX currently has no cap and if it does, it will probably be more comparable to cable/dsl caps. But will Clearwire have enough capital to roll out nationwide? | |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
·DSL EXTREME
| Re: LTE2 True - WiMAX has no 'real' advantages over LTE... with the exception of the 'mass scale' of GSMA and its subscriber base. The carrier delivery and roaming agreements are where its being tied up, much as the CDMA ANSI core vs GSM MAP core did. At one time there was an attempt to bridge the CDMA physcial layer to the map core with GSM 1x.
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JRglasgow
@btcentralplus.com | Re: LTE2 no real advantage? running off battery then LTE is clear advantage over Wimax, uplink is the key to the winner and loser for mobility | |
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VansHSI
join:2005-01-29
America | All hail Metro Ahh yes the broad support of MetroPCS will surely surge the subscriber ranks and push LTE to new heights!
Probly could have done without metro but hey, pre-paid is on the rise right now... you never know. | |
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| Chaldo
join:2008-03-18
West Bloomfield, MI | Re: All hail Metro I liked that I saw metro PCs on the list, I wonder who will have a better lte network in this round AT&T or VERIZON. | |
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anjorusso
@speakeasy.net
| lte??? what lte??? The future of all 4G (4th Generation Wireless) networks are unclear right now because the Whitespace Broadband technology is a game changer, but that has in the past failed when confronted with the reality of the slow pace of change in communications. Politically this time may be different, there is a lot of power behind the Whitespace Broadband and we should find out soon how fast the changes will happen. June 12, 2009..... I think is the date TV stations change to digital broadcast. this could make all 4G technology obsolete before it gets out of the box! Whitespace Broadband is so different it may some day be called 5G. I've been reading about the these changes for eight years starting with a Wired article titled "Broadband Cowboy" an article about DeWayne Hendricks a very smart guy with no education related to technology! | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: lte??? what lte??? Whitespace is dead.
A. Obama's campaign was bankrolled by the entertainment industry, which includes broadcasters.
B. It takes for one case of interference, or something going wrong, and a formulaic human interest story by the local TV news stations on how some poor man/family with children can't watch OTA TV the way they used to because of random signal going out which is "linked" to new experimental whitespace devices. That one story will get amplified by 24/7 cable news, Reuters/AP, mainstream media and bloggers, until there is a "grassroots effort" to ban the devices as being "pirate radio" and anarchy and dissolution of law and order.
C. What if people start to manipulate the GPS data being fed into the devices, or hack them for more tx power, faster speeds, etc? Nomadic whitespace base stations are even more dead than licensed whitespace base stations. If broadcasters have to pay to track down interference because the FCC doesn't have funds/time/etc to police whitespace users, that standing for a lawsuit and a permanent injunction.
At a certain point, no matter what you do, wireless and digital data and SNR and shannons law just don't cut it. If you don't want caps or speeds in the kbitps range, you need to have a tower at every intersection or traffic light. With that cost, FIOS/Fiber/Cable Internet is many times cheaper. | |
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@speakeasy.net | Re: lte??? what lte??? yeah okkkkkkkk like bill gates and larry page will give up just like that...aha....so who has more money?? sprint??? verizon?? or bill gates and the gang?? come onnnnnn...white spaces will choke out lte and wimax combined... mmm kay...you know it | |
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join:2008-11-20
Pleasant Hill, MO | It ain't dead. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: All hail Metro said by Chaldo :I liked that I saw metro PCs on the list, I wonder who will have a better lte network in this round AT&T or VERIZON. Verizon, management/executives are less thrifty on capital expenditure than AT&T. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: All hail Metro said by wifi4milez :MetroPCS is getting a LOT of press these days. If they keep expanding their market reach they could become a serious thorn in the side of the more established competitors. MetroPCS only really steals customers from the poor (never travel, no credit rating) and from landlines (never travel, want something cheaper). Remember their business model is to be ultra urban. And why aren't you all shouting how MetroPCS is redlining everyone outside city limits? | |
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join:2005-03-01
Marietta, GA | Re: All hail Metro In Atlanta, MetroPCS covers not only the urban core, but also the suburbs (low density) and exurbs (mostly rural areas). In fact, coverage is better out here in the 'burbs than in ATL proper | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: All hail Metro said by wifi4milez From what I have heard, they have roaming agreements in place that cover most of the country. Regardless of what kind of customer they are targeting, they charge roughly half (if not less) of what the major wireless carriers charge. If they roll out some newer phones, I cant see why anyone would have allegiance to Verizon or ATT.
[/BQUOTE :MetroPCS's roaming agreements are ONLY with OTHER SAME BUSINESS MODEL UMLIMITED urban-only carriers which means, ONLY Cricket, Revol, Pocket. So you get roaming in other cities, but the coverage is the same urban formula as in your home area. MetroPCS does offer PAID 19 cents a minute roaming with Verizon/Alltel/Sprint/US Cellular/other 800 mhz CDMA carriers, but nobody in their sane mind would get MetroPCS for the purpose of roaming on an 800 mhz CDMA carrier. | |
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wifi4milez
Big Russ, 1918 to 2008. Rest in Peace
join:2004-08-07
New York, NY
 ·Verizon FIOS
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·RoadRunner Cable
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| Re: All hail Metro said by patcat88 :MetroPCS's roaming agreements are ONLY with OTHER SAME BUSINESS MODEL UMLIMITED urban-only carriers which means, ONLY Cricket, Revol, Pocket. So you get roaming in other cities, but the coverage is the same urban formula as in your home area. MetroPCS does offer PAID 19 cents a minute roaming with Verizon/Alltel/Sprint/US Cellular/other 800 mhz CDMA carriers, but nobody in their sane mind would get MetroPCS for the purpose of roaming on an 800 mhz CDMA carrier. I never knew that, but a quick check of their website shows that is indeed the case.
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| MetroPCS, Revol, Cricket are all owned by the same companies. The SAME Venture Groups own them.
Go look at Cleveland Unlimited and get the list of companies that hold stock in them and go look at their list of companies. All matches.
They just need to stop having them separate and merge and then start buying up smaller providers and moving them in. And they need to also start expanding in general. Boost really put a hurting on them as far as pricing goes. The CDMA flat rate carriers are losing when it comes to nationwide services and NOT paying roaming. Yes Revol and Metro and Cricket CHARGE roaming fees of $5 per month to use your phone on one of the partner networks. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: All hail Metro said by hottboiinnc :MetroPCS, Revol, Cricket are all owned by the same companies. The SAME Venture Groups own them. T Rowe Price, MHR, Vanguard, 3 out of 20.
»finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=LEAP
»finance.yahoo.com/q/mh?s=PCS
I disagree. Verizon/ATT will also lobby to make an anti-trust case if the unlimiteds merge and the new "anti-business/pro people" Obama administration will block it. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: All hail Metro 3 is better than nothing. and the companies they hold in common are:
Columbia Capital
M/C Venture Partners
Primus Ventures
VZ and ATT can lobby all they want. Them buying the Alltel markets should be considered anti-trust. they already service those areas and have shitty service at that.
VZ/ATT would only be crying because they refuse to compete. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: All hail Metro said by hottboiinnc :VZ and ATT can lobby all they want. Them buying the Alltel markets should be considered anti-trust. they already service those areas and have shitty service at that. VZ/ATT would only be crying because they refuse to compete. Yep. | |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
·T-Mobile US
·RoadRunner Cable
| let's see:
1. No subsidized handsets. That $450 blackberry that everyone else is selling for $99 + 2 year contract is $450 at metro. Hell, you can get a BB with any other carrier, cancel the plan, pay the ETF ($200) and STILL come out well ahead.
1a. High entry fee. Because there are no subsidies, even the free phones you get at every other carrier are better than the cheapest metro phones you'll be forced to pay for if you're really on a budget. UTStarCom? Kyocera? ZTE?
2. Limited coverage. No coverage in Seattle, New Orleans, Minneapolis, etc. Much less out of country. If you stay home and never travel, Metro is a good option. Want coverage between the cities? Good luck.
2a. 2 bands for normal service. You'll need to choose from the even more limited selection of CDMA AWS phones if you travel to or live in many cities. Not to mention, you have to have the higher $45/$50 plans if you want to travel to any of their extended coverage areas to boot.
Metro is perfect for those who don't travel, and talk/txt a LOT to friends and family. But the instant you need to travel outside of your metro, you'll either need to pay more, or you won't have service anyways.
The only reason I'd see why people would choose Metro over the paygo phones from the major carriers, or a contract from the major carriers is if you have bad credit. Otherwise, between the up-front costs, and the limited coverage, you're better off getting a cheap plan from a national carrier, or a paygo plan from a national carrier.
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join:2007-05-15
| Re: All hail Metro said by tiger72 :let's see: Metro is perfect for those who don't travel, and talk/txt a LOT to friends and family. But the instant you need to travel outside of your metro, you'll either need to pay more, or you won't have service anyways. You can get a cheap prepaid service for the times you travel, like Page Plus or Tracfone. | |
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tiger72
SexaT duorP
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join:2001-03-28
Saint Louis, MO
clubs:
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·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: All hail Metro said by PastTense5 :said by tiger72 :let's see: Metro is perfect for those who don't travel, and talk/txt a LOT to friends and family. But the instant you need to travel outside of your metro, you'll either need to pay more, or you won't have service anyways. You can get a cheap prepaid service for the times you travel, like Page Plus or Tracfone. Not exactly convenient (different phone number, gotta copy your contacts over). Might as well just use the $.20/min roaming, even though that adds up very quickly.
Just seems to me that all of the hassle and up-front costs and extra fees make the "value" of Metro/Leap services very questionable.
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chronoss2009
join:2008-09-23 | And SHALL ALL THE MOST EVIL COMPANIES STAND UP And SHALL ALL THE MOST EVIL COMPANIES STAND UP | |
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | WIMAX Mean while WIMAX will hit 2 million users during that same time period.. | |
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| amar11372
join:2005-01-02
Jamaica, NY | Re: WIMAX Errr...there are already 10-13 million WiMax users worldwide. | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: WIMAX and yet we have the MaBells waiting to deploy LTE instead of something that has been deployed all over the world including here in the US by Clear and other companies. LTE will and is far behind. Clear will eat the telcos alive if they start expanding faster. | |
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ninjatutle
Premium
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | Re: WIMAX Did you not read the headline at least?
LTE To See Explosive Growth
136,000,000 subscribers by 2014 | |
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ME
join:2003-10-15
Cleveland, OH
·Time Warner Cable
·buckeye cable
| Re: WIMAX And yet WiMAX has already 2million world wide compared to that in 2014 and that's only a projection! They can't claim anything since the technology is still in the lab for everyone except for one country that decided to deploy it.
If MaBell and the rest of the companies got off their asses and started deploying what we have now we'd be farther ahead. | |
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join:2002-02-08
Brooklyn, NY
| said by amar11372 :Errr...there are already 10-13 million WiMax users worldwide.
The future doesn't look good for WIMAX. It seems that WIMAX is at best only going to be niche player. | |
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JesusPhoneLuvr
@charter.com
| WiMax is the Best! Ra Ra!
I've noticed these WiMax (Clear/Sprint) employees promoting the service all over the web.
They come out of nowhere and preach a rosy future for WiMax and doom/gloom for LTE.
They're either paid or smoking some good stuff.
At a certain point, I see Sprint ditching their Betamax investment and moving over to LTE. But then again, company's like Sprint seem to love pain. | |
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CellPhoneUser
@optonline.net | blah DIE WIMAX DIE!!!!!!!!! LONG LIVE LTE!!! | |
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LTE To See Explosive Growth