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kudos:1 | I guess sprint has to tear down the huge 4G billboards That are all over Manhattan.
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kudos:2 | Re: I guess sprint has to tear down the huge 4G billboards No. Just means when they go WiMax 2 we get to see a bunch of stuff advertised as "TRUE 4G!" | |
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| | So what? Meh. Like the Bard said, "A rose by any other name....". I hardly think Sprint, Verizon and T-Mo will care to pull all their promo materials just to follow the declarations of some commission or other. Besides, is "4G-like" to be misconstrued as true 4G? I think not. Not to mentioon that in due course, they will all eventuallly get there through one tech advance or another. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: So what? In WiFi products, the vendors were way out in front of the stds body. In cell service the stds body is way out in front( by years) of the vendors. Who cares what the ITU says about true 4g. It will be years before usable networks will be available based on these new stds.
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| | Nice Isn't that nice after many years of development and full time launches taking place terms change. T-Mo claim of of 4G and 4G speeds is a little out there because it is a 3G Wireless infrastructure. | |
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|  FBGuyPremium
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Evanston, IL | Re: Nice t-mobile never said they have a 4g network. they said they have the speeds of a 4g network. | |
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kudos:1 | said by Big Dawg 23:Isn't that nice after many years of development and full time launches taking place terms change. T-Mo claim of of 4G and 4G speeds is a little out there because it is a 3G Wireless infrastructure. I think you missed the point.
WiMax and standard LTE are in the SAME category as HSPA+:
Transitional-4g. 3.9G. Whatever you want to call it. Faster than standard 3g, and slower than 100mbps.
Sprint, ATT, T-Mobile, and Verizon are all in the same boat. Not a single one of them offers or will offer 4g anytime in the next 2 years.
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| | | | Re: Nice WiMAX/LTE may not meet the technical definition but they are on the 4G roadmap while HSPA+ is not. WiMAX/LTE may not be superhigh speed to a single user but the infrastructure allows for handling many more users at once at a higher performance level than 3.xG. | |
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kudos:1 | Re: Nice said by xenophon:WiMAX/LTE may not meet the technical definition but they are on the 4G roadmap while HSPA+ is not. WiMAX/LTE may not be superhigh speed to a single user but the infrastructure allows for handling many more users at once at a higher performance level than 3.xG. And you base this on what exactly?
Hspa+ calls for a high speed all ip backend. Identical to LTE. The spectral efficiency is nearly identical. It's actually MORE efficient than wimax. Oh, and it's on the 4g roadmap for every single gsm operator. Even Verizon includes hspa+ in what it considers the "4g competition".
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| | Nothing will change First, why am I not surprised that this was tipped by locust43....Second, it's not just the United States, Karl. There are no WiMAX 2 or LTE-A networks commercially deployed anywhere in the world currently. Third, the ITU has no powers of enforcement over the carriers. Thus, I expect that Verizon, Sprint, t-mobile and soon at&t I'm sure, will continue to market exactly the same as they did before the ITU's "ruling". | |
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| | | Re: Nothing will change The ITU is sham UN organization based in Switzerland, do we really care? The US carriers are domestic, so this should have no effect on their marketing, which is really all the "4G" stuff is. | |
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kudos:1 | It's always been clear The ITU has always set forth that "4g" technologies meet certain spectral efficiencies. One of them being 100mbps mobile data. LTE and WiMax don't meet that. LTE-Advanced and 802.16m do. Just because they never made an official statement explicitly stating that standard WiMax and LTE didn't meet those already available criteria doesn't mean it wasn't easy to qualify before.
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| | wha power does International Telecommunications Union have? What power does International Telecommunications Union have over what the phone company? It's not like they have power of law do they? If so sprint, t-mobile can just ignore them. | |
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| | | Re: wha power does International Telecommunications Union have? It will come down to some lawyer suing over false advertising. | |
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| | | said by silentlooker:What power does International Telecommunications Union have over what the phone company? It's not like they have power of law do they? If so sprint, t-mobile can just ignore them. 1. None
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| Re: wha power does International Telecommunications Union have? ITU has no power whatsoever ... it exists as a body to foster co-operation amongst telecommunications carriers, equipment developers, planners, and the governments of the world to help build cohesive and co-operating worldwide telecoms.
It's the organisation that gets the co-operation of companies so that they develop systems so that you can pick up a telephone in Kalamazoo and dial something like 011-44-12-555-1212 and get a phone to ring in London England without invoking operators.
They help these companies develop standards so your signalling in one country can be understood by another company in Papua etc.
It doesn't set rules ... it just defines some standards. If a country's telecomms providers don't follow the standards, then other countries may not be able to establish telecoms likes with them. But there's no punitive measures applicable if they don't! | |
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| |  Ads with "LTE" are just not catchy vs "4G"
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Boston, MA | Too late to trademark the term The only way you can enforce something like this is to trademark the term (like WiFi) and then have requirements to allow someone to use that trademark. Being that 4G has already been used by companies like Sprint and Verizon, it would be too late to trademark the term (prior art), so at this point all the ITU can do is make a suggestion. | |
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Pointe-Claire, QC
kudos:22 | 4g designation affects equipment manufacturers ITU doesn't have control over Sprint/Verizon, especially since they don't use world standard protocols.
But ITU controls the standards.
So if Nokia doesn't have a true 4G product, they will not be able to put "4G" on the box. And it won't be marketing its network systems as "4G".
So when networks buy the equipment from the likes of Ericsson, Nokia and others, they will know that they are not buying 4g compliant network gear.
So, if T-Mobile doesn't have 4g deployed, but Verizon advertioses that does, T-Mobile can sue Verizon and tell the court that the equipment used by Verizon is not certified as 4G by the ITU and this should not allow Verizon to claim 4G in its advertising.
If all networks brag about being 4g, then none will sue each other because a win would mean they too would have to stop advertisig 4g. But if one network doesn't claim 4g, then it stands to gain by suing those who claim 4g. | |
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kudos:8 | Re: 4g designation affects equipment manufacturers Yup, it's all about false advertising, at this point.
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Round Lake, IL | Re: 4g designation affects equipment manufacturers was thinking that myself as i have a sprint Evo which says 4G on it hmmmmmm wonder what will happen will i get my money back or a new back cover for phone or what ever nonsense the lawyers come up with | |
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| | LTE is for sure active in Scandinavia TeliaSoneria in Sweden.
Where else it is currently active? | |
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| | im using 8000G lol who cares you won't be able to do anything you want with it so who cares.... | |
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join:2002-01-24
Saint Peters, MO | 4G fee So does that mean Sprint has to drop their $10 4G fee? | |
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| | | Re: 4G fee said by Flummoxed:So does that mean Sprint has to drop their $10 4G fee? Nope because to them it's an "Advanced Data" fee
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| | | said by Flummoxed:So does that mean Sprint has to drop their $10 4G fee? No, because the ITU has no power or authority to make them do anything.
Furthermore, they never termed it a 4G fee, but rather a Premium (not advanced) Data Fee. | |
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Middleboro, MA | Ok... So now the Sprint Evo 4g, I assume wont be called 4G. Wonder if that means the premium data charge of $10/month to own the Evo will go away...
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Davis, CA | Re: Ok... So ITU is some Swedish organization that doesn't want our networks to be called 4G...
I bet they're just about to roll out Wimax 2 over there and want to make fun of us not "having real 4G".
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| defunct itu the itu took so much friggen time with 802.11n that they've almost made themselves irrelevant for whatever comes out. back when there were alot more incompatible and non-backwards compatible (read proprietary) communications modulations being developed there was a vast need for ITU's work to "bless" a set of standards and development working group to work on standards, however the apparent big money that created virutual monopolies on communications produts will for the foreseeable future work within a narrow window of com standards. wireless/cellular in particular will use whatever they want. there WILL BE NO ONE MODULATION TO RULE THEM ALL.. not for voice, not for data. ITU doesn't have any teeth to make this possible, nor does the FCC or any other government agency. this is left to the individual companies in a so-called monopoly & deregulated marketplace.
just the way blue ray isn't the end-all be all of high definition video, com standards will be very vaguely implemented on different standards to lock consumers into one or two carriers at most. only way to fix that is to design the device to support all standards with the removal and insertion of a rf card. however, making the carriers conform to supporting ALL handsets available-- but that's not gonna happen. the wireless carriers control the gate, the issues, prices, and policy and infrastructure (to some extent). that make itu rather irrelevant these days. | |
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| | Just more of the small crap not worth sweating The itu chose to use the term for certain wireless standards/technology, probably means very little for the members states, most likely they will allow the private sector to build the wireless networks it's want to build-as long they follow spectrum use agreement. Yes the itu is slower than crap going through a snake. The itu is an international body that has to rely on the consensus method to come to agreements, that it can expect the member states to enforce agreement in their respective jurisdictions. In Regards to the United States, the FCC does respect itu agreements when it come to the use of the RF spectrum. In the event the itu is able to trademark 4G in relationships to a certain standard with the US patent and trademark office, I'd expect that agency to enforce that trademark. There a lot of US registered trademarks that use 4G, while I didn't look at all of them, the ones I did where marketing trademarks. Many US citizens of the USA forget that the terms of a treaty the USA enters in do become the law of the land in the US, however I don't know if the USA relationship with the ITU rises to the level of a treat | |
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| | | Re: Just more of the small crap not worth sweating quote:
Many US citizens of the USA forget that the terms of a treaty the USA enters in do become the law of the land in the US
No, Most US citizens don't even know that the 'world order' would like that to be the case, but the USA is sovereign and no agreement is superior to the Constitution and its designated laws. | |
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| | Hmm the itu dont need to do anything, if the providers dont stop marketing proven false information or make it real, some big shot lawyer or larger bussiness that helped fund this thinking it was 4g, or cell companies will sue each other, this will just worsen the boxing match that currently exists | |
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