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| Dogs All of them, DOGS!
Fortunately, I locked in my rate a few months ago. When my deal is up, I have no problem pitting Comcast & Verizon against each other for my business.
Before Verizon came, I did not have this option. Comcast knew it, and treated me as such.
Now when my current deal is up, I can pit mommy against daddy and get the best deal.
Fios is really nice and I'm happy with the service, but money talks, and bullshit walks.... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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 |  | | Re: Dogs said by N3OGH:Before Verizon came, I did not have this option. Comcast knew it, and treated me as such. Same here...
...except now that Verizon FiOS is here... Comcast hasn't changed a bit. It would seem I am not the only one in my neighborhood fleeing from Comcast. The day I had FiOS installed there were three other Verizon trucks on my cul-de-sac of 14 houses. I noticed later that I could see 4 new wireless networks all with short names and WEP encryption which fits the pattern of the default settings on the Actiontec routers Verizon is using. So, out of 14 homes on our cul-des-ac, 5 signed up for FiOS as soon as it was available.
I'm half tempted to drive through the entire sub-division and see how many unique SSIDs I can find that are most likely FiOS related.
Evidently, Comcast either hasn't gotten the message in Harford County, or just doesn't give two shits about its customers. | |
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 |  |  jester121Premium join:2003-08-09 Lake Zurich, IL | Re: Dogs Or they assume (probably rightly) that for every customer who hates Comcast, there's one that hates Verizon with equal vim and vigor. | |
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| Re: Dogs I dislike Comcast, and I admittedly enjoy my Fios service very much.
But you bet yer ass if I can save a buck, I will try Comcast again.
Comcast lost me several years ago when Verizon brought DSL into my area.
I originally got a cable modem back in 1998 when we were still served by Suburban Cable, and the ISP was @Home. Boy, those were the good old days.
Comcast's service became slower and slower. I was dealing with pretty much dial up speeds from about 4 PM until bed time.... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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 |  |  |  | | said by jester121:Or they assume (probably rightly) that for every customer who hates Comcast, there's one that hates Verizon with equal vim and vigor. Well, I was fed up with Comcast, I did not hate Comcast. I got tired of the incredibly poor suppot -- both technical and customer.
Any ways, I don't disagree... but in my particular neighborhood's case, Verizon hasn't been offering service beyond POTS. So, it's not as if people can suddenly leave Verizon. I can't speak for the entire county... but I've heard very few positive things about Comcast from friends and neighbors.
So, as might be expected... people are going to switch to FiOS; perhaps they go from non-triple play price with Comcast to a cheaper triple play with Verizon, perhaps because they hate Comcast, who knows. For now, Comcast will be the one shedding customers -- right now, Verizon can't really lose customers, as they're the 'new' player. I have no doubt some people will end up being unhappy and switch back. Eventually, things might settle out to a relatively 'stable' split.
However, what's annoying is that Comcast surely knew FiOS was coming. Instead of at least pretending to care... they seem to have just resigned themselves to losing a lot of customers. I realize I am just one customer... but I expected Comcast to put up at least SOME kind of effort to retain me as a customer or at the very least try and actually solve the numerous problems I was having.
Obviously I was expecting way too much. | |
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| ETF is sort of understandable Given the cost of trenching the yard to the house, bringing out an ONT, installing it, etc. When you cancel, they don't get their ONT back (at least in my area VZ leaves everything, ONT, battery, etc). But that ETF should then apply to every new sub, not just double/triple/quad play.
Meanwhile I think the magic triple play number is $99 and they're going for $109 which puts them 10% higher than cable competitors in many markets. | |
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So what if they have to spend money getting the customer. That's the risk of doing business. Provide a great service at a fair price and most people will stay put unless they lose their job or have to move (unforseen circumstances).
Verizon has to invest money to get money. That's part of running a business.
Penalizing a customer for defecting is very bullish and more of a scare tactic than anything. | |
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| Re: ETF is sort of understandable said by GinaETF :
Verizon loves those ETF's. So what if they have to spend money getting the customer. That's the risk of doing business. So what if the customer has to pay an ETF...they agree to it when they sign up.... | |
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| ETFs ARE reasonable, considering marketing, installation, sales commissions, and maintenance just to name a few.
Unless you want a HUGE bill to go month-to-month. Virtually all (service) industries have these.
How would you feel if you spent a grand to to start a customer, then to having them wanting to disconnect a month or two later.
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 |  |  |  rcabor join:2007-04-17 Grand Prairie, TX | Re: ETF is sort of understandable How would you feel signing up for a service, said service sucks, but you have to pay a high amount to get out of crappy service? | |
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Jacking up EFT's says you know they will leave so you want to cover your ass.
What about putting measures in place that make me want to stay? | |
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| said by GinaETF :
Verizon loves those ETF's.
So what if they have to spend money getting the customer. That's the risk of doing business. Provide a great service at a fair price and most people will stay put unless they lose their job or have to move (unforseen circumstances).
Verizon has to invest money to get money. That's part of running a business.
Penalizing a customer for defecting is very bullish and more of a scare tactic than anything. If you want the best theres a premium to be paid. At least its not like Cablevision with their ultra service $300 install fee. This way you only pay if you leave otherwise its no charge. | |
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 |  |  |  Z80APremium join:2009-11-23 | Re: ETF is sort of understandable True. | |
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Cablevision puts that price to not get people who will have it a month then drop it. It is pretty cheap since businesses will be the only ones really getting the service anyway. | |
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| Re: ETF is sort of understandable said by majortom1029:See thats an unfair comparison since if you do leave you pay a higher fee then cablevision. ITs like verizon putting a 100/100 plan. They would have to upgrade some people to gpon and put in a significant expedniture to do it. Cablevision puts that price to not get people who will have it a month then drop it. It is pretty cheap since businesses will be the only ones really getting the service anyway. I recently defected from CV after them not being able to come even close to the 30/5 I was paying for, Id hate to see how they under-perform with Ultra.
But how is them charging up front so you dont leave and VZ charging you if you do any different? Aside from the fact that I pay nothing but my bill if I just keep service running, which seems easy from my POV. | |
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 |  DaveDudeNo Fear join:1999-09-01 New Jersey kudos:1 | cable can. telco cant. I guess that should be Verizon new phrase, we cant do what cable has done for years. Plus Cable doesnt get funds from the government. | |
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 |  |  Z80APremium join:2009-11-23 2 edits | Re: ETF is sort of understandable Cable can what? Charge a $300 install fee like CV does for their top tier service? Offer a service without caps? Oh yeah, that isn't cable, that VZ. Take annual 3X inflation price increases. THAT, cable CAN do. | |
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I don't see what would make people leave though. | |
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 |  | | Re: Fiber optics are not cheap said by fifty nine:Hence the high ETF. Verizon is in it to make money. I don't see what would make people leave though. Like the article mentions, you may have to move, and since FIOS has such limited geographic availability, you may move to an area where FIOS is not available.
All of a sudden, you could wind up giving Verizon over $300 for nothing. | |
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| Re: Fiber optics are not cheap Look at the hand outs.
If you move to a non Fios area, they only charge you the ETF if you don't get your home phone through them.
It's similar circumstances with cell phones. If you move to an area not served by your present provider, they usually don't hit you for the ETF... -- Petty people are disproportionably corrupted by petty power
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I doubt this will hold up to any legal review. The standard has always been if you move to a unserved area they can not charge you an ETF or they have to provide service. It is not like people have a choice when moving. You move because you have to or want to, but it's not all the time you can move into a serviced area. | |
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| Re: Fiber optics are not cheap The majority of Verizon's setup costs are specific to your house. Cable has amortized their network mostly/completely by now and is one customer out of 250 is no longer on their node it's not such a huge deal. But if you sink several hundred dollars into a customer for the ONT, fiber, etc. then they defect, you've got a problem... | |
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| Re: Fiber optics are not cheap said by iansltx:Verizon is apparently paranoid that they won't get the cost of the equipment amortized by the next person who moves in. It's a business decision that they chose to make. And like the leave tax in NJ, it had a wonderful effect. No one wants to move to NJ, because they leave, they get a penalty. Why would i sign up, if i have to pay a penalty if Verizon under-performs ? -- They Live... We Sleep...
Spreading the wealth around never results in a better outcome for people. It always results in destruction.
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 |  |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Fiber optics are not cheap Now this is fair and they should be touting this to remove any backlash. Hopefully it's true and they'll catch up in the marketing department. | |
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So they went with Comcast. That's $$$ that VZ has lost. Have heard a few more stories similar to this but this is the first I've physically seen and heard. | |
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 |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Very simple.. they pull the ONT and use it at another home... I wasn't aware that they left the ONT once the service was discontinued anyway.
Cable always pulled the phone boxes on the house of a CDP install.. I know other Fiber providers that pull the equipment as well.. I would figure Verizon would do the same since the equipment is charged to the customer if removed. | |
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 |  |  |  |  birdfeedrPremium,MVM join:2001-08-11 Warwick, RI kudos:5 | Re: Fiber optics are not cheap said by fiberguy:Very simple.. they pull the ONT and use it at another home... I wasn't aware that they left the ONT once the service was discontinued anyway. I think they leave it. That was the original incentive for them to put up fiber -- it's not copper, therefore not mandated to allow CLEC services.
If they pull the ONT, can I get ILEC DSL back in here? If I'm on fiber, nope. | |
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 |  |  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium join:2001-04-27 Phoenix, AZ kudos:4 | said by DaveDude:Cable is fiber to the node. How come they arent charging ? because they know cable cant offer the levels of service that fios can. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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| said by dvd536:said by DaveDude:Cable is fiber to the node. How come they arent charging ? because they know cable cant offer the levels of service that fios can. I had Comcast all of last year. If it meant a lower bill, I would switch and stay with them in a heartbeat
Their service may not be the best of the best but it more then satisfied my needs for speed and reliability. | |
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 |  jsz0Premium join:2008-01-23 Jewett City, CT | Fiber is actually pretty cheap. The prices today are far lower than what Verizon was paying when they started deploying FIOS. This not only goes for fiber optic lasers, fiber optic cable, but also splicing equipment, testing equipment and ONTs. The real cost is just the physical labour of installing it all which is something all service providers share copper, fiber or wireless.
I think what we're seeing with Verizon is that they've cherry picked most of the highly profitable customers/areas and to move forward they have to start making it very uncomfortable for those customers to leave (increased ETF) and have to increase rates to cover building out to less profitable areas where they won't see a return as quickly. A $1 increase for every existing FIOS customer helps pay for existing infrastructure investments and helps cover new deployments. In the case of video there's also increased programming fee's that they pretty much have to pass along to customers or they are simply making less money for providing the same level of service which is something most companies don't like doing. | |
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 jmn1207Premium join:2000-07-19 Reston, VA | Pricey, but Still a Good Deal Month-to-month pricing with no ETF is only $20 more.
So for $134.99 + $35 (all premium movie channels) would get me a 35/35 internet connection with every TV channel outside of Playboy and foreign language channels. Considering that Epix is included, which it currently is not, is a bonus, as is NFL Red Zone.(I paid $50 for this) I'm not seeing too much of an increase, since I get all of the channels now.
$170 is still much cheaper than what I was paying with Comcast for a similar setup. And if I opt to go for the 24 month contract, it will only be $150. (all of this is before the added cost of the DVRs)
The one thing they neglect to mention is the cost of the DVRs. Right now I use a combination of my own DVRs along with some Verizon DVRs, but for those that have many TVs in the house, it can get quite expensive.
As soon as these are made available I am switching over. I want the 35/35, and that's worth $114.99 just by itself to me. | |
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| $360 ETF Fun I can't wait to see the Comcast commercials that use the $360 fee as ammunition. I suspect it will hurt too. I have a year and a third left of guaranteed prices and wouldn't dream of switching back to Comcast until that lapses, but if Comcast increases their HD offerings and improves their DVR by that time and doesn't institute the ridiculous ETF, I will switch to them just to spite Verizon. My cellular contract is up this summer and while I may continue with Verizon (it is no longer certain now), I will not continue with the prospect of a huge ETF hanging over me.
Congress needs to move on these fees immediately. These ETFs destroy a competitive environment. Let Verizon charge them up front as a hook up fee and see how far that gets them. They wouldn't get away with it and they wouldn't even try to do it. | |
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 iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Wait, there's a 35/35 tier somewhere? I thought it was just 35/20. Also, how much is it and doesn't it require a bundle? Thx. | |
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 |  Zero join:2009-07-01 Collegeville, PA | Re: Wait, there's a 35/35 tier somewhere? Currently, 35/20 is provisioned for 35/35, 25/15 is provisioned for 25/25, and 15/5 is provisioned for 25/25. Actual speed results will vary, but most should be able to obtain these speeds when subscribed to the current plans.
This over provisioning, also known as "fluff" in the Verizon FiOS forums, may or may not change as of 1/17/10 when the new tiers and bundles take into effect. | |
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 JPLPremium join:2007-04-04 Downingtown, PA kudos:1 | Quad play One thing that looks interesting is the cost with the quad play. I don't currently have the quad play because the cell plan included doesn't work for my family. But if I'm reading that pdf correctly, it looks like you may be able to bundle any cell service in (otherwise, why would they phrase it like that?). If that's true, then I would most definitely go for it - and my price would actually DROP compared to my current contract. My current contract is $120/month for the Extreme triple play. If I can bundle in any cell plan for the quad play, I could get the Extreme triple play I have now (with faster internet upload speeds I might add) for $10 less per month than what I'm paying now. | |
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 |  xirianPremium join:2003-01-26 Beacon, NY kudos:1 | Re: Quad play You can already bundle any existing cell plan. When I check fios availability and type in my cell # it gives me the option to keep my current plan. | |
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Are there more important things going on in the world to complain about? Yes! We should, however, not accept these small "defeats". Every year it's another little concession on the part of consumers. It just doesn't stop. Hooking up the service is simply a cost of doing business with the customer. If Verizon isn't willing to dig a trench and wire a house to get their basic fee, then they shouldn't offer service at all ( which is what they've done in many areas thus far. ). What this ETF is doing is adding insult to injury. What is our government regulators doing right now to protect the consumer? Certainly not keeping things like this from happening!
During the past decade this whole market segment has gone from being an affordable and life enhancing option for consumers to being an unaffordable yet increasingly necessary tool for us in our daily lives. If Verizon gets away with this, look for the other big boys to follow... | |
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| Math please... Increase in service? Not likely.
But I see 10-20% hike in plans.
My salary sees 2% if lucky Cost of Living increase because company I work for is tightening belt rather than laying off.
In this economy, the Government is sending the wrong messages!
We reward the banks and they jack up our credit rates from 3.99% to 21%. And still raising them. We reward the telcos with some Broadband fund, and they jack their rates up. And the Government doesn't want you to borrow yet they've spent money based on taxes they won't collect till 14 years from now!
I'm ranting..huh. Oh well. Good night. -- Splat | |
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| Seriously people... Verizon is effectively building the customer part of their buildout costs for FTTP into their monthly fee, and punching you with an ETF if you leave before they've amortized the customer equipment. Sounds perfectly reasonable to me, though I also say that the raised VZW ETFs are reasonable. If you don't like them, use cable which has no ETFs. Or go month-to-month with Verizon.
Building setup fees into the monthly cost of service happens all the time (cell phones for example) and that's why there are ETFs if you end service before the end of a contract, at least in this case.
If you want to know why cable doesn't have such ETFs, that's an easy answer: you rent (or buy elsewhere) your cable modem, and chances are your house has already been hooked up for cable before so installation costs are minimal. Verizon OTOH gives you an ONT and router at install time and does some rather expensive fiber-pulling to give you service. They only do this if you sign up, so it's a cost that's directly tied to your account.
Seriously though, if you sign up for a triple play bundle that guarantees a low price over two years with DL/UL speeds that cable can't match, would you really switch out from FiOS? If so, budget $15 per month of your remaining contract as an installation fee, spread over 24 months. Would you really rather have the $360 as an upfront installation fee? I didn't think so either.
Now whether Verizon is shortsighted and paranoid about their customer base by charging ETFs and effectively assuming that someone who cancels service before two years are up won't come back to finish amortizing equipment costs is another matter. I would say they are. But to my knowledge Verizon FiOS is never the only internet option in a given area (there's always cable) so that fear may be well-founded, and if customers don't want FiOS they don't ahve to get it. | |
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| Pay to Play I'm proud that Verizon is flexing its corporate muscles to put the peons in their place. Not only do the fickle cellular customers get to eat the big ETF, now also do those ungrateful FIOS gluttons.
Tough love is the only way to sculpt a marshmallow customer-base.
Good to know that the US will never get a national broadband policy. That chaos would likely to reduce my dividends. | |
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I would be curious to know the specifics.. | |
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| Lock In Today's Rate My 2-yr old bundle had ended and I was debating what to do. When I read the forum topic last week and saw this coming price increase, I made my decision.
Last week I agreed to a new bundle that has a 1-yr agreement and a 2-yr price guarantee. I'm glad I did.  | |
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 |  Jmartz join:2000-07-20 Tenafly, NJ | Re: Cablevision said by glinc:I wonder if Cablevision will still pay customers VZW ETF for customers who left them for FiOS lol Cablevision will do anything to keep your business. All you have to do is order FIOS and then call Cablevision to setup a disconnect. From there, they will check if you are lieing, and if you aren't you'll get freebies from them.. I've seen people get a year of free DVR service... 2 years locked in Triple Play pricing, etc.
There is a guy who complained so much and wanted boxes for free... he was adimate and wouldn't back down. Ultimately they did offer him something like 4 cable boxes for free for a year (worth about $28 bucks a month). -- And he wasn't switching to FIOS.
It should be fun to see what kind of winback promos they have after the new ETF comes into effect. | |
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| strange, amidst competition Well, price increases maybe in the works.. but they are cycling through promotional materials of which they are offering triple play for $69.99 a month for 1 year (plus taxes and fees)-- in the NY, Long Island area.. home turf of Cablevision.
I can't imagine prices going higher if none of the cable companies follow suit.. (though, leave it up to comcast & time warner to announce triple play and single service price increases next above and beyond what they've already announced) obviously this was going to happen as soon as AT&T pushed out their rate hikes... I'm not surprised the top package isn't even 50/50 megabits yet and the entry level tier is asymmetric. No firm price was also listed for stand-alone internet. If they meant +$15 above a dual play package, they are nuts. That would force a lynchmob of backlash, and probably result in the state puc's getting involved in this money grab. There is also no distinction between freedom value "voice" and FIOS digital voice.. you still get the same crappy 3 features on either, unless they are cooking up a more feature rich (ie, every feature you can possibly want for voice) for FIOS digital voice-- something that is kind of too little too late. Most people can buy unlimited cell phone coverage for $30-50 a month inclusive of taxes & fees, so why have a landline? You could get virtually free voip land-line from google. That leaves you with a choice of internet. I think cable tv rates are getting too hot to handle (from ANY service provider) for the average consumer.
Bundling services is a dying breed.. and now the two wire duopoly is poised to gouge internet access with collusive pricing! Good luck with that idea! | |
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 |  birdfeedrPremium,MVM join:2001-08-11 Warwick, RI kudos:5 | Re: The links to the Verizon documents are down Try this. Since Karl is already hosting the other two documents "The pricing sheet (pdf)" and "Yet another document (pdf)" on DSLReports, this one should also be legit. | |
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 birdfeedrPremium,MVM join:2001-08-11 Warwick, RI kudos:5 | No free wireless for 15/5 unless NY-DMA quote: On the positive side of the equation, the documents also indicate that Verizon will be further expanding their free Wi-Fi offer to include customers on 15 Mbps tiers.
Left columns for non-NY DMA indicate Wi-Fi for 15/5 customers is only in NY DMA.
Also, link for the quote: Another leaked document indicates that double, triple and quadruple FiOS customers can look forward to a $360 early termination fee in 2010.
is broken. Not sure if that document has been revised since the original post in the FiOS forum.
What I'd want to know is if I have had a triple play bundle for the past two years, if they plan on socking me with an ETF when I renew after my third year, or whenever. Also, if they have discretionary promotional pricing that will give me a solid $15/month discount (or more) to offset the ETF penalty if I was actually forced to cancel. IOW, carrot to keep me, stick if I leave.
Don't sound too eager when you call. There are promotional incentives to sign up that should make the ETF palatable. Anyone who pays full price is paying too much. | |
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 | | Programmers rake the Providers "There is no such thing as a free lunch"
No matter how you look at it the Networks will always drive the price up. Verizon and ATT were suppsoe to drive prices down, well you can't drive prices down and lose money, you will go under.
TV is the largest expense for any provider and the networks have the ball on their court. Network owns say 10 channels and you want 3 or 4 of the major ones. The network will not just sell you one you get all 10 plus the cost of them even if your viewers don't want them. Sucks, but it has been that way for years.
Bottom line no business wants to lose money on their service and well even in a recession networks and providers will raise prices.
You think Kobe or Arod will care for a recession? If You want the best you will pay the price, bottom line.... | |
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