Limewire Hits Back At RIAA - Countersues for antitrust and consumer fraud

Limewire Hits Back At RIAA
Countersues for antitrust and consumer fraud
(old news - 08:39AM Tuesday Sep 26 2006)
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Mike at TechDirt reports that Limewire, after having been sued by the RIAA last month, has decided to fight back against the industry. Limewire has filed a counterclaim accusing the RIAA of antitrust violations, consumer fraud and other misconduct. According to Mike, "Specifically, they seem to be making the case that the RIAA only wants to shut down Limewire because it is a competitive distribution mechanism that they cannot control, which helps compete with their monopolistic control on traditional distribution. It's an interesting claim that does make some sense, though the RIAA will simply try to paint Limewire as a tool for "thieves." As with many of these types of cases, there's probably a decent chance that the sides will settle before any decision is made, but in this case, it would be very interesting to see the actual outcome of any lawsuit -- both on the issue of whether or not simply running a file sharing network is inducement and on whether or not there really is an antitrust claim here. If the case does go forward and the RIAA loses on the antitrust issue, it could have a big impact on the traditional labels, and could actually be a catalyst towards forcing them to accept the changing nature of the market. This is becoming a case well worth watching."

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Sean join:2004-01-23 Ottawa	Hope. Unfortunately, I think LimeWire will lose this one. It would be better if this lawsuit were to play out in Canada, where copyright laws are much more lenient.
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Josimars join:2001-04-24 Port Chester, NY 1 edit	Re: Hope. I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleting this software from my kids computer.
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Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA	Re: Hope. said by Josimars : I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer. Why is it anybody else's fault that you can't control your children? -- Stephen J. Friedl • Unix Wizard • Microsoft Security MVP • Tustin, California USA • my web site
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phattieg join:2001-04-29 Winter Park, FL ·Verizon Wireless B.. ·Sprint Mobile Broa..	Re: Hope. said by Subaru : said by Steve : said by Josimars : I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer. Why is it anybody else's fault that you can't control your children? What he said And what Limewire said too, but in a different context... -- SIPPhone/Gizmo # 17476200648 / PIMPNET Chatline / Ran by Asterisk & Slackware 10.1.
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x30n_ Not Sure What Color Pill To Call It Premium join:2000-09-14 wrong turn clubs:	Re: Hope. said by phattieg : And what Limewire said too, but in a different context... I think they used the word 'tool' in their context. Then again, freedom of speech is also reserved for the righteous. -------------------- Lets try this again. I hope LIMEWIRE wins!!! :P -- Get your own Gamercard Sig.
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Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA	Re: Hope. said by x30n_ : Then again, freedom of speech is also reserved for the righteous. What's freedom of speech got to do with this? -- Stephen J. Friedl • Unix Wizard • Microsoft Security MVP • Tustin, California USA • my web site
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Steve I'm a PC, so shut up Consultant join:2001-03-10 Yorba Linda, CA	Re: Hope. said by x30n_ : If you dont understand, then you wont know. Ah: you were saying that you don't understand what "freedom of speech" means. Thank you. -- Stephen J. Friedl • Unix Wizard • Microsoft Security MVP • Tustin, California USA • my web site
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I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer.

Why is it anybody else's fault that you can't control your children?

My first thought as well.
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Wills join:2001-01-03 Port Charlotte, FL	Re: Hope. Because it's so much easier to point blame than it is to actually parent. That is the problem with the world today. There are too many lazy, good for nothing, parents that take responcibility for nothing. I teach my kids to give them the finger. -- I have a shaved head, a goatee, and tatoos. Don't you realize the rules don't apply to me.
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fgdn17 @comcast.net	Re: Hope. ignorance can be cured...stupidity is forever...
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said by Steve

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I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer.

Why is it anybody else's fault that you can't control your children?

Agreed....put them on a limited account (if you are running Win2k or XP). Had to do that for my stepson when he got my puter infected awhile back.....if he wants something installed, I have to do it...

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Raptor Not a Dumptruck join:2001-10-21 London, ON ·Rogers Hi-Speed ·Bell Sympatico 1 edit	said by Steve : Why is it anybody else's fault that you can't control your children? Well you can file class-action against Limewire with RIAA by your side edit Sigh...above poster beat me to the admin/user account thing. Touche sir, touche. -- ....where's my fiber?
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ricep5 Premium join:2000-08-07 Jacksonville, FL ·AT&T Southeast ·AT&T CallVantage ·VoicePulse ·Comcast Formerly ..	said by Steve : said by Josimars : I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer. Why is it anybody else's fault that you can't control your children? Sounds like they did assert control, he deleted it from the computer didn't he? Everyone else needs to stop sounding so techno-righteous.
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Re: Hope.

It has nothing to do with being knowledgeable about computers, but more about being a lazy parent. He asserted minimal control while blaming company for his failure to educate and control his children. That's why he is getting flack from people for it. It doesn't take much to make a call to a tech savvy friend asking advise on preventing unwanted programs from being installed or visiting a forum such as this one. Sadly, it takes time and actual care to do research, so it's easier to just complain and point fingers at others.

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It has nothing to do with being knowledgeable about computers, but more about being a lazy parent. He asserted minimal control while blaming company for his failure to educate and control his children. That's why he is getting flack from people for it. It doesn't take much to make a call to a tech savvy friend asking advise on preventing unwanted programs from being installed or visiting a forum such as this one. Sadly, it takes time and actual care to do research, so it's easier to just complain and point fingers at others.

Another solution is to simply teach your children that there are consequences to not doing what you tell them. If my child installed software on my computer (well, they are looking young for that now) then their computer access would be denied for quite some time.
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hpguru Curb Your Dogma Premium join:2002-04-12	said by ricep5 : Sounds like they did assert control, he deleted it from the computer didn't he? Everyone else needs to stop sounding so techno-righteous. If he had been truly righteous , his children wouldn't have been able to install unauthorized software in the first place. -- Where's Jesus? Get hpHOSTS!
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lesopp join:2001-06-27 Land O Lakes, FL	Said like someone without children or an understanding of what it takes to control kids internet activities. I use access-lists that only allow the kids PC's to go out http, https, AIM or MSN IM and for good measure their user profiles do not allow them to install programs.
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said by Steve

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I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer.

Why is it anybody else's fault that you can't control your children?

Ya know if you have any good 3rd party broadband router you could just block the ports on the router... Problem solved. Then it won't matter how many times they install it.
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Kxpuc join:2004-05-04 Houston, TX	Re: Hope. could also use ProcessGuard and prevent it or anything you want from even starting up let along being install'd »www.diamondcs.com.au/processguard/
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JamesPC join:2005-10-12 Orange, CA	Its always someone elses fault for my kids mistakes.
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said by Josimars

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I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer.

Hmmm. There's bigger issues at stake, don't you think? What you've said is kinda like someone saying "I am sick and tired of people speeding in their cars up and down my street.... I hope they ban automobiles!"

For the good of consumers and the U.S. populace in general, it would be great if limewire wins... So defeat is probably a certainty.

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LegoPower77 Abecedarian Premium join:2002-08-03 Arlington, VA	Re: Hope. said by KrK : For the good of consumers and the U.S. populace in general, it would be great if limewire wins... So defeat is probably a certainty. You're 100% correct on this one, sir. -- "It is a melancholy reflection that liberty should be equally exposed to danger whether the government have too much or too little power."—James Madison It's right, it's free.
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Shark_615 join:2006-01-17 Pickering, ON	It is limewire's fault you do not know how stop your children from installing it; either through learning how to use your computer or through parenting? Strange.
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Every machine I get a call on to clean or repair has Limewire or eMule on it. Teens using it for getting music and apps. I even know a colleague that instead of getting a demo or buying something to use, goes to Limewire religiously. Asking for trouble.
If anything, Limewire should sue for entrapment, service tampering (as I am 90% sure RIAA has someone uploading trojans as mp3 files).Songs shouldn't be executables.
Can't blame the kids though. Many teens have no clue (look at study about remorse/consideration lacking in teen development) and just want peer acceptance.
What I want to know is, how does Limewire make any money? Are they selling ads in their P2Pware? Or selling IP information?
Yeah, goodluck LW. I wonder if they took the image for their logo from some pirated photo-clipart CD...

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Maybe you should be a PARENT to your children, rather than forcing the "village" to go without because of your unwillingness to do so.

Take their computers out of their bedrooms and put them in a family area where they can be watched. Don't give them administrative-level accounts so it's harder for them to install things. Take them away if they abuse the privilege. Geez.

"Burying" useful technologies because you have no control over your children seems a bit Draconian, don't you think?

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Let me guess, you got your PC at Walmart, one of those pavillion bundles. You have no clue what your kid is doing on-line, the computer is up in their bedroom (unmonitored) and limewire might be the least of your problems when you kid hooks up with some pedo online and makes a trip to Ohio or someplace and gets killed.

You are exactly the kind of person that shouldn't be on the "interwebs". Throw out all you computers, and stick to TV.

Man... I'm no favor of letting children to do everything they want but this is the classic pathetic fearmongering.

Let me guess: you are having trouble earning their respect, right? FYI: if your kids respect your word and you tell them what not to do, they won't do it.
Keep in mind that it has to be earned first but, of course, that's impossible when you "monitor" your kids...

Limit their user rights on their computers is perfectly fine. Snooping and spying on them - that's nothing but evidence you don't have respect for your kids and vica versa, they don't respect your rules.

I think the term is 'dysfunctional parent'...

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[FYI: if your kids respect your word and you tell them what not to do, they won't do it.
Keep in mind that it has to be earned first but, of course, that's impossible when you "monitor" your kids.

Without monitoring their activities, you have no way to know whether or not they "respect your word".

I remember what I was like when I was a kid. My parents trusted me once I demonstrated trustworthiness, but still kept an eye on what I did.

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Kid won't come to Ohio per se.We have one of the highest arrest rates for online pedophiles going.That 14 year old you are chatting with?Probably a 36 year old Xenia cop waiting to meet you in a parking lot.After that,you get to see the jail.But using Limewire or Kazaa or such,you are inviting trouble.How do you think a hacker/cracker gets in? They get you to accept a file,as you install it it also adds a "service" to open a port that can be ftp'd to or otherwise.But if you think otherwise,just roll the dice. As far as the kids and the puter goes.....You teach them well in the first place,and spot check every once in a while to see if what you taught took hold.

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MadMANN Premium join:2005-08-19 ·Comcast	said by Josimars : I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer. Wait a minute?? Is this Tipper Gore?
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Al Gore @ameritech.net	Re: Hope. said by MadMANN : said by Josimars : I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer. Wait a minute?? Is this Tipper Gore? Naw. Tipper would just want you to put a parental advisory sticker on it.
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kamm join:2001-02-14 Brooklyn, NY ·T-Mobile US 1 edit	said by Josimars : I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer. What has Limewire to do with the fact that you have failed both as a parent and as your home sysadmin?
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AnnaS8 join:2005-05-26 Annapolis, MD	You have two options... 1)If you don't have XP then upgrade to XP then change their accounts to guest accounts. That way they can only use programs that are already installed on the PC and they can save text files. They can't install anymore programs. 2) If you have XP then upgrade to XP then change their accounts to guest accounts.
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Josimars join:2001-04-24 Port Chester, NY	Re: Hope. Great thats a good one
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AnnaS8 join:2005-05-26 Annapolis, MD	Re: Hope. I can't tell if that is sarcasm I hear. You asked and I told you. I think that is the best solution you have. I guess you enjoy wiping your hard drive and re-installing Windows every few months. That is what I did on my brothers PC when he would complain about them messing it up by downloading all kinds of game demos. Since I did that...I haven't heard a word about it.
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lucky644 Premium join:2002-02-04	said by Josimars : I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleted this software from my kids computer. Would you like tips on how to be a parent?
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Go ahead and pay the big money I can't afford. At $0.99 to like $5.99 and up per track your getting taken by the man, friend. Straight up, you must really like to get down and boogie whenever the man whants some bling bling or a little candy, right baby? Don't pretend you don't know what I mean sugar lips! Do you think that even less than half of that cash actually goes to the artists? Your brains must be real mushy from pounding it against that thick head of yours. Share what you paid for just like you would if it wasn't across a public forum lik the net. You don't have to show every one in the whole world your wang to prove your a man. Ever used a VCR before? It is illegal to just tape things righ off the old tele and disribute or share them too! Think about it. Wait don't you'll probably go to little Johhny or Suzie's room and rip that out of the wall next you monster. Are you stealing your cable? What do your think the rug rat is doing over at little Jimmy's house, playing with dolls and studying? Ever use a tape deck when you were a brat? How illegal do you think that was. Make your own mixes. 8 tracks are almost dead but the point continues on and on and on.

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You, and people like you, are the reason I can't watch the TV I want to watch. The reason why certain broadcasters are afraid to show even the most tame of things (GoDaddy anyone?). And, the reason why I can't use my computer as I want. Parents complain about stuff being broadcast but don't use the tools - the FREE tools - to scrub and block those types of programming. Instead they complain to where everyone pays the price.

If you don't like deleting spyware and other programs from your kids' computer, how about discipline? How about limiting internet access? How about limited security permissions? How about just taking the computer away? Instead of complaining about the source, how about doing something about it on YOUR end and not ruining it for others?

I don't use LimeWire, but I think it's a horrible reason to get rid of it. If you're going to do that, get rid of it for a reason that matters - i.e. it has spyware, it has trojans, etc.

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M A R K St. Ides Heaven Premium join:2001-06-15 Long Island clubs:	said by Josimars : I hope hope they bury LimeWire I am sick and tired of deleting this software from my kids computer. Get a GRIP! -- DEATH TO 'ZOG'
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newfiepotsmoker @aliant.net	Dude.... there is nothing wrong with the software, just the lack of supervision of your kids on your behalf. You can set your computer so that they cannot install LimeWire. Don't bash the software just because you cannot keep your kids from installing
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MysticGogeta The Robot Devil Premium join:2005-03-14 League City, TX clubs:	Technically the creator is in a country where they had no laws against piracy I still don't know why they are able to sue. I believe hes in Costa Rica..? Correct me if I'm wrong
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Unfortunately, I think LimeWire will lose this one. It would be better if this lawsuit were to play out in Canada, where copyright laws are much more lenient.

Limewire may or may not successfully defend itself on the copyright issues and charges it is aiding and abetting copyright infringement. The Grokster case revolved around a centralized directory and the fact that Grokster had control of it. That got them in trouble. Limewire claims it has no control at all over a centralized directory of any sort, therefore the Grokster ruling doesn't apply. The courts may not agree and may base their decision on INTENT of Limewire to aid and abet copyright infringement and not on any technical control issues. Facts submitted about their advertising methods may determine whether they win or lose.

As far as counter-suing claiming antitrust, they are on shaky grounds. Industry associations and trade groups like the RIAA have been found legal over and over in the courts as long as they didn't hold meetings to set prices or exclude companies in the industry from joining the trade group. Companies in the industry, in this case, comprising music companies that own copyrighted material. Limewire wouldn't fit into the trade group since it is not a company that owns copyrighted music.
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Jehu Premium join:2002-09-13 MA	Re: Hope. Anti-trust????? How can Limewire be a "competitive distribution mechanism" ? It would seem that Limewire would have to concede some points regarding their enabling of copyright infringement if they are gonna try this shit. -- The hills are alive with the sound of jehu.
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Anti-trust?????

How can Limewire be a "competitive distribution mechanism" ?

It would seem that Limewire would have to concede some points regarding their enabling of copyright infringement if they are gonna try this shit.

I don't think Limewire really has a case here. My guess is their edge is going to be that they are intending to be a distribution medium for independent and local bands. Trying to convince a judge that the reason the RIAA is suing them is because they don't want to compete on that level is unlikely. It's pretty obvious that the RIAA is trying to stop the piracy of it's constituents copyrighted material.
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CableConvert Premium join:2003-12-05 Atlanta, GA	Question...who else can distribute music? Download services have to deal with the RIAA...as does it seem everyone else who wants to licence music...I guess idependant lables, but it does seem rather monopolistic. There is also a history of price fixing by members of the association
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Win or lose is not the matter

The matter is not if they win or lose, it is more bringing to attention how HARD the RIAA / MPAA has been on media distribution and other "companies" (legit or not) when it comes to their media. They are demanding more and more money per download, more and more protection, and making people wish that they would get out of the media distribution business all together.

We've seen them fight Apple tooth and nail when it comes to media downloads on their music. We've seen Microsoft patch their DRM on music downloads FASTER than their operating system. We've seen other media distribution companies have a hard time working out deals with the companies time and time again. It's almost like they don't want them to exist..... THEY were the only means of distribution, and that all other channels of media distribution were missing to improve revenue. When they do this (if they succeed) they will be making more money on their broken business model and ruining peoples rights with horrible senators like Warren Hatch (Utah), and Ted Stevens (Alaska).

I feel sorry for those artists and film makers that keep getting jipped by the media companies that have a virtual stranglehold on their profits and income. Don't want the money to go to them? Too bad! Want to start your own media company? Good luck, you don't have the cash or resources to get started!

It's a virtual oligopoly (sp) and the world knows it. Why do you think the RIAA hates indy bands and groups that are not going with their "get rich quick" mentality when they won't sign their songs rights away? It comes down to one thing and one thing alone M O N E Y.

The fact of this case is not a win / lose but instead a "wake up people and look at what the hell is going on with your digital rights".

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I am so sick and tired of the damn RIAA and its political buddies.... they represent an outdated business model and because its in jeapordy, they chose to just run the competition out of business... by bullying tactics! I'd love to see one company/software developer send them running. And from an artist viewpoint... the record companies have been ripping off the artists for years taking a majority of the so called profits out of the artist's mouths...

The world is an ever changing place, new ideas, concepts, business models.... The RIAA is a dinosaur and should go the way of the dinosaur. Purposely sending out bogus files to people's computers ... is that legal?

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Jehu Premium join:2002-09-13 MA	Re: Sick of the RIAA Once more with feeling: Capitalism is not an outdated business model. No guns are put to heads to sign record contracts. No guns are put to heads to buy music. /waves hand This is not the oppression you're looking for, move along. -- The hills are alive with the sound of jehu.
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LimeWire's Beef

If you read through LimeWire's complaint, it really centers on their ability to get the metadata from the record companies so they can legitimize the downloads.

Right now that data is only available through iMesh, which you must pay a substantial license fee too. iMesh is run by a former RIAA executive and its day to day leadership is substantially run by the record companies.

LimeWire wrote their own metadata interface, but the RIAA says iMesh is the ONLY interface that is sanctioned. Hence the complaint that they are anti-competitive.

Record company metadata has been an issue ever since the RIAA sued Napster, Napster responded by asking for and getting this hodge podge of incomplete data so they could validate the downloads. RIAA saw a huge weakness in their accounting and formed iMesh to deal with the issue.

Basically, LimeWire has staked out a negotiation position by their counter-suit exposing what they believe are poor business practices by the RIAA.

RIAA has been sued by several artists over the years due to its incredible inability to keep track of artist royalties. The industry has been rife with very poor sales accounting, some of which has been countered with services such as SoundScan (now Neilsen).

Now people are coming along and demanding more precision in how sales are accounted for and the RIAA is playing hard to reach using iMesh and large licensing fees. (Hence, controlling the data and how it is used)

I predict a settlement where LimeWire gets access to the metadata, but will have to pay a fine to absolve themselves of the past behavior. RIAA will be forced to sanction other metadata delivery methods.

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Jehu Premium join:2002-09-13 MA	Re: LimeWire's Beef If LimeWire wants the metadata, why should they not have to pay for it? -- The hills are alive with the sound of jehu.
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NonRIAAMusician @charter.com	Re: LimeWire's Beef Because it's been absolved of wrongdoing in the precedent, and therefore does not need the metadata for its own purposes, but rather in order to do the Realm of Increasing Artistic Atrophy a favor.
	permalink · 2006-09-26 20:09:32 ·

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What the heck took you guys so long?

It's about freakin time one of these guys fired back. It's a shame that it couldn't have been the artists and record labels that did the shooting like what happened in Canada earlier this year, but it's a start.

Oh an if anyone cares and wants to know what I am talking about I found a couple of links that you might want to check out, there are probably better sources for what happened in the Canadian recording industry, but I am too lazy to look for them.

»www.michaelgeist.ca/index.php?op···&id=1088

»www.consumerist.com/consumer/can···7501.php

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Ummmmm.... Do like I do my computers... Put Bio's passwords on em. That'll keep em off the computers lol.

I dont let mine on, unless Im on my computer beside em. To many sickos out there to intrust a child to a computer any more.
Its about like giving the car keys to the kid. (mine are 8 & 12 lol)

On the limewire... I just have a feeling, its gonna turn out like the napster ordeal.. Right now my direcway has took it upon them selves to block limewire

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Rob A Same Old Jets Premium join:2005-01-17 Pompton Plains, NJ	Good Limewire is the only good p2p program, keep it alive.
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