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story category Locals Try To Keep Utopia Afloat
New citizen-advisory board (U-CAN) formed
11:37AM Tuesday Jul 29 2008 by Karl Bode
tags: Fiber · competition · business · alternatives · municipal
Just a few years ago, Utah was on the cutting edge of community-driven fiber networks, laying claim to two of the nation's largest municipal fiber builds. But last May, one of those networks (iProvo) was sold to Broadweave for $40 million. The other, Utopia, has so-far underperformed, with fewer subscribers than expected despite carriers offering 50Mbps fiber (albeit with a 100GB cap) for $39.95. The Salt Lake Tribune reports that a new citizen-advisory board (U-CAN) has been formed to help get Utopia on track. Says the creator:
The core purpose of U-CAN is to help Utopia succeed and I see several ways we can do that. We definitely need to provide a venue for both praise and criticism so that we know what's being done right and what's being done wrong. We also can encourage each other to talk to friends, neighbors and family about the benefits of the network to encourage more rapid adoptions.
Municipal networks already have a tough road, given they're up against private-sector companies with deep pockets who'll go to any length to ensure these operations fail. A costly lawsuit by Qwest aimed at preventing the project from using utility poles delayed Utopia's launch by eighteen months. Network planners say incompetence at a federal loan program (RUS) also delayed promised funding. Local ISPs say Utopia officials hold some responsibilities too, by too tightly controlling the type of tiers that can be offered and not having a particularly effective business model geared toward staying competitive.

U-CAN's blog can be found here, for locals who are interested in having an impact on the future of the network.

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Joe12345678

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50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with DSL.
jc100

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

They also have a 15mbit symmetrical tier that is unlimited. It just depends on which company you select. However, there needs to be better management done to this network. It's a well thought out idea, with bad planning. It needs to be properly marketed as subscriber numbers are low. Also, they'd fair better by ridding themselves of all caps, for all tiers. Then, they could use this as a marketing tool and acquire people from other ISPS. Let's face it, people need to be educated on why 15-50mbit is better than what they got now. You average joe just assumes being on the internet is fine, so long as he or she longs on. They don't know that better speeds can make for a better experience.
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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

said by jc100 See Profile :

Let's face it, people need to be educated on why 15-50mbit is better than what they got now.
Maybe the average Joe doesn't need a 15-50 Mbps connection. Bandwidth versus cost has long been a debate regarding consumers Internet access.

moon1234

@tds.net

I would not signup with a cap in place. I don't care how fast it is. If there is a cap I can not really use all of the bandwidth. I want to hook up my apple tv, watch streaming episodes from the internet and use VoIP. I will not signup with a provider that has caps. It is too similar to being on a per minute cell phone plan.
jc100

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

Well they do have a 15/15 tier that is unlimited. However, the rest have caps, which I think serves as a huge deterrent. We offer fast speeds, but are no different than the local ISP. That doesn't work well for marketing.

moon1234

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

I will take my 16/2 without any caps from my cable company (Charter) any day. At least I don't have to worry about being cutoff/speed limited or charged through the nose for overages. High speeds with caps are no better than having a slow connection.

All caps do is protect the provider’s content from threats to voice and video that exist on the internet. It also stifles the uptick in new emerging technologies. Being able to video conference with Mom and Dad, Grandpa, etc. will only become more common and available with the advent of high speed symmetrical connections. Limiting the bandwidth to a fixed amount will stifle the adoption and innovation of these types of technologies.

Look at how much word of mouth Sprint used to get when their mobile broadband was unlimited. Many mobile applications and innovation were tested and used on Sprint's network first. Now that they have imposed a 5GB cap all of the praise and enthusiasm that I used to hear for Sprint in developer forums is gone.

CAPS are BAD for consumers and emerging technology. There are ways to manage a network fairly without CAPS.

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

said by moon1234 :

I will take my 16/2 without any caps from my cable company (Charter) any day. At least I don't have to worry about being cutoff/speed limited or charged through the nose for overages. High speeds with caps are no better than having a slow connection.

All caps do is protect the provider’s content from threats to voice and video that exist on the internet. It also stifles the uptick in new emerging technologies. Being able to video conference with Mom and Dad, Grandpa, etc. will only become more common and available with the advent of high speed symmetrical connections. Limiting the bandwidth to a fixed amount will stifle the adoption and innovation of these types of technologies.

Look at how much word of mouth Sprint used to get when their mobile broadband was unlimited. Many mobile applications and innovation were tested and used on Sprint's network first. Now that they have imposed a 5GB cap all of the praise and enthusiasm that I used to hear for Sprint in developer forums is gone.

CAPS are BAD for consumers and emerging technology. There are ways to manage a network fairly without CAPS.
Good luck with that. Eventually all ISP's will be headed that way.
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said by moon1234 :

All caps do is protect the provider’s content from threats to voice and video that exist on the internet.
Only one of the four ISPs listed on Utopia's site provides TV service so I don't see that as a reason for capping. They all sell voice service, but even using VoIP non-stop for the whole month only hits ~40 GB, so I still don't see the cap as an issue.
said by moon1234 :

Being able to video conference with Mom and Dad, Grandpa, etc. will only become more common and available with the advent of high speed symmetrical connections. Limiting the bandwidth to a fixed amount will stifle the adoption and innovation of these types of technologies.
You can VTC with Mom and Dad 5 hours/day, everyday at 768 Kbps and only consume ~50 GB, so still no issue.
said by moon1234 :

There are ways to manage a network fairly without CAPS.
ISPs can charge more, but I doubt that you'd like that option very much. If the 100 GB cap is so detrimental for the everyday users, they can always upgrade to a 50/50 Mbps tier with a 500 GB cap. Even power users would have a hard time realistically consuming 500 GB/mth.
karlmarx

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

500 GB/month? hhahahahahaa... I do that every 2 days. (up and down) on a 30/15 connection.
openbox9

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

I expected someone like you to post bragging about passing terabytes per month. That's why I used the word realistic. What do you do with your ~3.75 TBs (assuming equal upload/download) of downloaded content? Even assuming that you download uncompressed BD movies, you'd have to watch over five full movies every day of the month to come close to consuming what you're bragging about. What am I missing?
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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

Actually I do like 40 GB a day on my 15 GB connection as I use non compressed VPN with my pc all the time. Plus I'm downloading lot's of anime daily.

500 GB is not worth it for 50mbps, i'd stick with the 15 mbps unlimited which is a better deal.
openbox9

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Navarre, FL

Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

You seriously think a 50 Mbps connection capped at 500 GB isn't worth $60/mth? I do agree that the 15 Mbps tier is a better deal, but then it costs less too
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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

I never said it's not worth 60 a month haha, I just said I'd prefer the 15 MBPS deal as I don't have to worry about running over the limit. The point of getting faster speeds for me is to get more content over the span of a month, if I can't do that i'd rather not have it.
openbox9

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

Valid for some. For me, I'd pay for the time savings that extra throughput gives me. However, I'd choose the lower cost service because I value my money.

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said by openbox9 See Profile :

I expected someone like you to post bragging about passing terabytes per month. That's why I used the word realistic. What do you do with your ~3.75 TBs (assuming equal upload/download) of downloaded content? Even assuming that you download uncompressed BD movies, you'd have to watch over five full movies every day of the month to come close to consuming what you're bragging about. What am I missing?
He keeps his palms hairy, his music free, and his movies in shitty hand held video camera quality.

In other words, he lives in his Mom's basement and doesn't have a girlfriend.
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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

Actually, I'm a senior manager, have a kickass system, with many many terrabytes of storage, a music collection second to none, more movies and tv shows than I could ever watch. I have my own house, 2 cars and a motorcycle (kawasaki Vulcan 900). I DON'T wear a helmet (don't have to), did fill out organ donor card. I'm moderately successful with a nice 6 figure salary.

Look at it this way, I 'could' afford to pay for everything I have. Instead, I keep my money, and get all my stuff for free. I do donate a lot to charity, but never, ever to the cult of religion.

As in the words of the might right wing republican nut case, 'Greed is Good'. Guess that means I'm very good, because I'm very very greedy.
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openbox9

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

My question still stands, if you have "more movies and tv shows than you could ever watch", what do you download? And why? Bragging rights? To screw the man? I'm truly trying to understand your hypocritical viewpoints.
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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

Greed. Pure and simple. Greed. I don't NEED it, I WANT it.

"Greed denotes desire to acquire wealth or possessions beyond the needs of the individual"

And, as well all know, GREED is GOOD! Not hypocritical, just greedy.
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openbox9

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

You are being hypocritical when you ridicule corporations for being greedy and attempting to extract wealth from consumers and then you turn around and do a similar thing yourself.

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said by openbox9 See Profile :

You are being hypocritical when you ridicule corporations for being greedy and attempting to extract wealth from consumers and then you turn around and do a similar thing yourself.
Come on...he is just a very bad troll!

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openbox9

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

I'm just surprised he actually responded to me.

JesseHarris

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If you think your cable company is without caps, you're kidding yourself. Remember how Comcast was terminating accounts left and right for using "too much" of their unlimited Internet access without saying how much was too much? That's a cap. At least companies like XMission are telling you upfront that there's a cap and what it is.

You'd also be surprised how much traffic doesn't count towards the cap. Because of the peering agreements they have in place, downloads from many sites (Microsoft is one) don't ding your monthly transfer.

As much as we all hate it, all-you-can-eat Internet is dying off as fiscal realities take foot. Some companies are going about it stupidly (Time Warner with 40GB), some are more realistic (XMission at 500GB). Unless you're saying that it's fair to raise prices across the board so that light users subsidize heavy users?
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Kyle

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Re: 50Mbps with a 100gb cap? at least the price is on par with D

Comcast has stopped using that "unlimited" advertisement. They show ads here on national tv all the time. They don't even offer service in Ohio. And no where on their ads do they say "unlimited".

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Save Taxpayers From Government

Add this to the list of government-run Internet failures. But that's OK, as taxpayers have unlimited funds to cover the costs of these things.

I really hope that Utah and other states learn from these costly mistakes and ban local governments from even contemplating providing luxuries such as Internet service.
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Re: Save Taxpayers From Government

Utopia is a solid project and if they are experiencing a few hiccups on the uptake then its no different than any private business venture. They will sort it out and get it flying I'm sure.

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Re: Save Taxpayers From Government

said by PhoenixDown See Profile :

Utopia is a solid project and if they are experiencing a few hiccups on the uptake then its no different than any private business venture.
Except for the fact that private citizens are expected to foot the bill for these hiccups. At least when a private company screws up customers are free to bail.
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Re: Save Taxpayers From Government

Citizens are free to bail. Don't want to be on the hook? Move. You don't have a right to live anywhere you want and get the government you want in spite of what a majority of your fellow citizens may want.

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said by JesseHarris :

Citizens are free to bail. Don't want to be on the hook? Move. You don't have a right to live anywhere you want and get the government you want in spite of what a majority of your fellow citizens may want.
So where is it written that the government is expected to provide broadband?

Sadly, we see in many major cities, like Philadelphia, needed services like police and schools are sacrificed to pay for municipal broadband.

But in that situation, just about everyone who cared has moved out.
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Re: Save Taxpayers From Government

Philly didnt spend a dime on that network. Earthlink did. They were even paying the city. The new company has now taken over and will keep paying the city or be forced to sell again.

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said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

Philly didnt spend a dime on that network.
That isn't entirely correct:

»www.kyw1060.com/pages/1790263.php?
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Re: Save Taxpayers From Government

said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by hottboiinnc See Profile :

Philly didnt spend a dime on that network.
That isn't entirely correct:

»www.kyw1060.com/pages/1790263.php?
According to your article it is.
That would be like arguing that the city has spent millions of dollars on Comcast's network because the city IT staff has to maintain the city intranet that connects to Comcast's network for internet access.
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said by marigolds See Profile :

That would be like arguing that the city has spent millions of dollars on Comcast's network because the city IT staff has to maintain the city intranet that connects to Comcast's network for internet access.
The whole premise was that the Philadelphia Wifi network would not cost taxpayers anything. The taxpayers spent $220K (and possibly more). Therefore, the city wasted money that could better be spent elsewhere.

Crime is once again out of control in the city. Perhaps the city should hire more cops instead.
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said by pnh102 See Profile :

said by marigolds See Profile :

That would be like arguing that the city has spent millions of dollars on Comcast's network because the city IT staff has to maintain the city intranet that connects to Comcast's network for internet access.
The whole premise was that the Philadelphia Wifi network would not cost taxpayers anything. The taxpayers spent $220K (and possibly more). Therefore, the city wasted money that could better be spent elsewhere.

Crime is once again out of control in the city. Perhaps the city should hire more cops instead.
So, you admit then that the entire IT infrastructure of Philadelphia was technically "spent on the network" by your criteria?
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said by marigolds :

So, you admit then that the entire IT infrastructure of Philadelphia was technically "spent on the network" by your criteria?
No. I know that all governments have IT expenses, but like any expense, these should be kept to a minimum so that the government can focus on doing what it needs to be doing instead. Spending money on an unneeded wifi network, especially when so many other city services are lacking, shows that the government needs to re-examine its priorities.
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Re: Save Taxpayers From Government

Okay, so any IT money spent on accessing an outside network or private infrastructure is money "spent on the network"? Which would then mean that Philadelphia has then spent millions of dollars on Comcast's network?

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said by pnh102 See Profile :

Add this to the list of government-run Internet failures. But that's OK, as taxpayers have unlimited funds to cover the costs of these things.

I really hope that Utah and other states learn from these costly mistakes and ban local governments from even contemplating providing luxuries such as Internet service.
Of course, you ignore the lengthy list of government-run internet successes.... (more then 80 just in the state of Iowa).
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jc100

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Obviously, you couldn't even prove your case in the last thread, so now you move on to another. Well, I am going to guess your Republican friends are the STAR ROLE of government?

Ted Stevens 200 million dollar bridge to no where anyone?

Bush's record 500 billion deficit for 2008?

Bush's 5.5 Trillion deficit in his 8 years in office?

Regan creating the FIRST even national Deficit and Bush Sr racking it up?

How about the fact we fund Businesses like o.. Fannie Mae, Bear Stearn, etc from collapsing?

Seems to me our government bankrolls everyone for anything. Someone ALWAYS has to pay the bills. Waste is waste, and at least the citizens of Utah got something for their money. The network is solid, the people running it are not. Therefore, like any good company, you stick new ones in charge. That doesn't make it a bad company, it just means its been poorly run. I am sure the right people can turn this around. Then, the citizens of Utah will at least see something for their tax money. This sure beats the hell out of 95 percent of what we give to our government. Both sides waste. Republicans spend and borrow, there by, raising inflation and all other costs. Democrats tax. When you break it down, the numbers always keep adding up. So I take pride in the few projects that are meant to help people.

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said by jc100 See Profile :

Well, I am going to guess your Republican friends are the STAR ROLE of government?

Regan creating the FIRST even national Deficit and Bush Sr racking it up?

How about the fact we fund Businesses like o.. Fannie Mae, Bear Stearn, etc from collapsing?
Check your facts and your history, please.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are government entities, created by Democrats.

"Regan" did not start deficit spending. FDR did.
And all administrations thereafter engaged in it.

Thanks to SPENDING CAPS and HW's tax increase, Bill Clinton did show a modest surplus initially. His budgets were much smaller than he wanted.

Neither party has a good record on fiscal discipline. One is just better at tugging on class-warfare heartstrings.

Don't you think YOU know better how to spend your money than Ted Stevens? Why then, would you support the government stealing more from the rest of us?

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said by CaTeaParty :

Check your facts and your history, please.

Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac are government entities, created by Democrats.
Both have been private companies since 1968.
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A) You are WRONG on Fannie Mae. It's a private company. CHECK YOUR FACTS. Therefore, WHY SHOULD TAX PAYERS BAIL THEM OUT!

In 1968, to remove the activity of Fannie Mae from the annual balance sheet of the federal budget, it was converted into a private corporation.

B) Regan WAS THE FIRST president to stick us in a TRILLION DOLLAR DEFICIT. This was then outdone by Bush Sr and now Bush Jr who has spent 5.5 Trillion. You know something, THEY BORROW to pay their bills which

- Raises Inflation (hurts working class)
- Makes Prices go up as currency is worth less (as we see now)
-Puts us in debt to "enemy" nations

So while Democrats Tax, Republican BORROW and hurt those same working class. Do you not recall RECORD inflation right now or the U.S. dollar being at it's LOWEST POINT EVER. Thanks bush to spending 5.5 trillion that you borrowed. As per deficit, Bush spent 500 billion this year we didn't have, way to go. Both are idiots No one represents the working class. That's a farse and you know it.
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Actually don't blame FDR. You need to do a little reading on Hoover.
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Re: Save Taxpayers From Government

Although he did try to pay for it (vastly increasing taxes). You should see all the things he did and tried to do. He even tried to get a $50/month pension for Americans over 65. Hmm sounds like Social Security to me.
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Re: Save Taxpayers From Government

Naturally, it becomes the government's problem to bail out every corporation. At least in this circumstance, it was intended to HELP citizens (rarity) versus shaft us with the bill for someone's bad choices. IE Fannie Mae, Bear, Stearn, etc.

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said by jester121 See Profile :

If a government project fails, naturally it's the fault of a big bad corporation.
Usually, and their lobbyists.

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said by jester121 See Profile :

If a government project fails, naturally it's the fault of a big bad corporation.
In this case, it's 100% true. I sold door to door for Comcast who had just taken over ATTBI in the SLC area when Utopia was in its infancy. Comcast definitely had a hardon for Provo, the promos we had to offer new data subs were insane, much much better than what they were offering in Denver. It was pretty obvious that this was specifically to get as many subs as possible on 6 month free data packages while Utopia was rolling out. I made some $, but probably helped to kill Utopia. Sorry.
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U-Can paranoia

This is the group that is going to save Utopia?

From U-Can meeting minutes:
»www.freeutopia.org/
One meeting attendee said that he was aware of Qwest and Comcast purposefully planting moles in UTOPIA providers to try and sabotage the companies from within and that this was a primary cause of Mstar’s near-collapse. I know they’re underhanded, but I’m not sure to what extent they’d try and do something quite this dirty.
Also they want to add one disaster on top of another:
UTOPIA may look at adding wireless to the fiber backbone, either via 802.11g/n or 802.16 (WiMax).

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bad numbers in article

Actually the 50/50 includes 500GB with overages allowed but at a cost (somewhere around 20 cents per GB).

»www.xmission.com/products/connec···/utopia/
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Heh, if we're talking premium bandwidth 500GB isn't bad, and neither is 20 cents per gig overage. Of course if they're using COgent they should offer unlimited...that stuff's dirt cheap...

But I'm rooting for whatever cities and such can do to keep muni fiber projects alive, as long as it doesn't ad a huge amount to taxes around there. It's just that Qwest\Comcast are so freakin' evil. What's funny is that's the cable\telco duopo