  en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | These are the kind of caps... I'd expect on a normal U.S. / Canadian carrier.
930GB upstream cap is wild... that would be the equivalent of 3Mbps 24x7.
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With a 10mbps connection that's 24/7 doing the 10mbps cap, in download...
Not until you see something like this that you understand WHY they want to put CAPS.
Those guy were paying 65$/months for the usage of around 60 other subscription and saturatuing heavily the network! | |
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| |  TigerLordResident pentaxianPremium,Mod
join:2002-06-09
Montreal
kudos:5 | Re: These are the kind of caps... 4Tb of data? | |
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| | | | said by bojean8:i saw people account with 4000gb of download per month and ~90gb of upload in quebec, canada A 10Mb connection downloading at its advertised speed would fall about 750GB short of 4TB in a one-month period...
said by bojean8:Not until you see something like this that you understand WHY they want to put CAPS. I would understand this argument if ISPs were putting caps on users who were actually abusing the service. Downloading 100GB in a month on a 10Mb connection is not abuse. It's a way for lazy ISPs to pull in more money without having to expand the capacity of their network.
Not to mention the fact that ISPs have a tendency to hide what their caps truly are. This information should be readily available to users when choosing a service provider. | |
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| | Warez_ZealotRural land of the rising sun
join:2006-04-19
japan | said by bojean8:i saw people account with 4000gb of download per month and ~90gb of upload in quebec, canada With a 10mbps connection that's 24/7 doing the 10mbps cap, in download... Not until you see something like this that you understand WHY they want to put CAPS. Those guy were paying 65$/months for the usage of around 60 other subscription and saturatuing heavily the network! Even I think 4TB in 1 month is just a joke.. Those people need to get a life outside of their PC... I only download what I want, and I don't hoard digital content like some fucked up pack rat nerd who has to download everything that is available on the Pirates Bay. It's because of people like that who ruin everything. | |
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|  CabalPremium
join:2007-01-21
Austin, TX
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| BBR Users Fail Math These caps are equal to 3% of a user's upload 24/7. In Comcast's area, that would be 324 MB a day for 6/1 service, or 9.7 GB a month.
These caps are much, much worse for the service offered than Comcast's rumored 250 GB cap or the actual 400+ GB cap they currently use to remove excessive users from their network today.
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| | | | Re: BBR Users Fail Math said by Cabal:These caps are equal to 3% of a user's upload 24/7. In Comcast's area, that would be 324 MB a day for 6/1 service, or 9.7 GB a month. That's one way of thinking about it. Another is to say that, in this example, the provider allows its customers to download about 29GB of data more than Comcast.
I don't think percentages tell the whole story in this example. | |
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| | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | The main difference is that these caps are on upload only.
Since there is no download cap, this may actually be fine better for most users. Uploading Youtube/pictures/video clips, it would take some time to hit 9.7GB on a 1Mbps connection.
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I'm curious as to where you got this information. Is this just speculation, or is there a source? I don't see how it could be anything but rumor, because there are a number of conflicting reports about the exact numbers everywhere. | |
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join:2002-09-03
Smithfield, NC | Outrageous It's outrageous, I tell you! Why I'd only be able to upload 200 DVDs before being done for the month!
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join:2008-02-01
North Tonawanda, NY
kudos:18 | It's only uploads... Uploads aren't much of a big deal unless you're doing loads of HD video OR you're running torrents. Download, unlimited. | |
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|  dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
join:2001-04-27
Phoenix, AZ
kudos:4 | Re: It's only uploads... said by Smith6612:Uploads aren't much of a big deal unless you're doing loads of HD video OR you're running torrents. Download, unlimited. This will impact my favorite pwn3d XDCC bots 
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join:2001-11-28
Tarpon Springs, FL | Looks good to me I wouldn't mind those kinds of caps.
Japanese solution actually seems reasonable! | |
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|  ARGONAUTgot ping?
join:2006-01-24
New Albany, IN | Re: Looks good to me Same here. | |
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| kcblackPremium
join:2000-09-11
Chicago, IL | Re: no overage fees? In the true Japanese way they are officially yelled at in front of other customers and apologize profusely for letting it happen...
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| | $42? For $42 per month!!!! Where do I sign?
When will NTT come to the US?  | |
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|  RobIn Deo speramus, God Bless the USAPremium
join:2001-08-25
Kendall, FL
kudos:2 | Re: $42? said by Hehe :For $42 per month!!!! Where do I sign? When will NTT come to the US? Never. Because existing companies in the U.S. will lobby your employer to not allow them in the U.S. | |
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| | | | Re: $42? NTT bought out Verio in 2000
»en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Verio
Already here.
said by Rob:said by Hehe :For $42 per month!!!! Where do I sign? When will NTT come to the US? Never. Because existing companies in the U.S. will lobby your employer to not allow them in the U.S. | |
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Hingham, MA | Hm, wasn't the modern NTT basically born out of the American Telephone and Telegraph Company's activities in Japan? (Much like NEC, Nippon Electric, was the Japanese arm of Western Electric) Maybe if we had "the old" AT&T back...
Though I've heard that these prices don't actually include internet and you have to pay an ISP separately, but that was from the US cable industry's website (linked elsewhere here). | |
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| |  KrKHeavy Artillery For The Little GuyPremium
join:2000-01-17
Tulsa, OK | Re: $42? In Japan, local loop unbundling and competition over the ILEC infrastructure was embraced, not stymied.
You see the result. | |
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|  marigoldsGainfully employed, finallyPremium,MVM
join:2002-05-13
Saint Louis, MO
kudos:1 | said by Hehe :For $42 per month!!!! Where do I sign? When will NTT come to the US? That's just the phone part. The whole package is $166/month based on the rate card.
(Mansion type is for 8 or more subscribers in one building, i.e. landlord bulk. I'm not sure what hyper family/new family is.)
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| | Reasonable caps..if you call caps reasonable Well those are about as generous as caps can get and I'm sure we'll never see caps this reasonable in the US.
Then again, we don't exactly have 100/100 FTTH connections available yet and we'll be lucky to even see that with FiOS anytime soon. Atleast Verizon doesn't cap FiOS for now, let's hope things stay that way and if we're lucky we'll see that 20 symmetrical make its way up to 100 symmetrical. | |
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| | | Re: Reasonable caps..if you call caps reasonable I don't care what the caps are. If Comcast sets its caps at 20GB, it would be much better than now, because we would know what the caps are! | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Even if ISPs in the US had a 930 GB cap DL/UL combined there would still be those here that would complain that that is excessive and is violating thier "rights". | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: Even if ISPs in the US i love to run torrents every few months, even when i try i cant imagine moving almost a Terabyte upstream.
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| en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | a 930GB UL cap = 3Mbps upload 24x7.
3008kbps = 376kB/second = 0.3761875MB/second
60seconds/minute X 60 minutes/hour X 24 hours/day = 86400 seconds/day
86400 seconds/day X 0.3761875MB/second =
31725MB/day or 30.98GB/day
How many have 3Mbps or better upload capacity?
How many run it at the max 24x7 ?
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| |  fireflierCoffee. . .Need CoffeePremium
join:2001-05-25
Limbo | Re: Even if ISPs in the US TWC apparently feels that an upload of about 1/10 that 3Mbps is more than sufficient for the typical user.
Any activity that would find 384K insufficient couldn't possibly be legal. 
I'd wager TWC execs would sh!t their pants at the mere suggestion of a cap at nearly 1 TB (upload only)
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Even if ISPs in the US said by Smith6612:There are loads of possible reasons. In my case, I'm uploading lots of 1080p HD videos I've recorded of my video games in FRAPs. These files are totaling around 700MB big, one almost reached a gigabyte and I'm stuck uploading these at 128kbps. 386k would be nice to have on slower Verizon DSL, BUT it'll still take a long time to pull off all of those megabytes. And yes, I upload frequently. Now why would you need 1080P videos of video games? You don't. And where are you uploading these videos too? it aint youtube because they won't take 1080p videos | |
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| |  knightmbEverybody Lies
join:2003-12-01
Franklin, TN | said by en102:a 930GB UL cap = 3Mbps upload 24x7. 3008kbps = 376kB/second = 0.3761875MB/second 60seconds/minute X 60 minutes/hour X 24 hours/day = 86400 seconds/day 86400 seconds/day X 0.3761875MB/second = 31725MB/day or 30.98GB/day How many have 3Mbps or better upload capacity? How many run it at the max 24x7 ? I do, but good point, it doesn't run at max capacity 24/7 It's maybe 30% capacity at peak times.
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| | | en102Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | Re: Even if ISPs in the US Right... I could accept the 1/3 (i.e. 8/24 hours/day at 100% use to be reasonable. )
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| |  MacLeechThe one and onlyPremium
join:2001-07-14
SoCal
kudos:3
4 edits | If the connection is 100mbit symmetric, why is the cap for only 3% of the total bandwidth that could possibly be moved with that connection in a month?
100 mbps x 60 sec/min x 60 min/hr x 24 hr/day x 30 day/mth / 8 bits/byte= 32,400,000 MB/month or or 32,400 GB/month or 32.4 TB/month.
.930 TB / 32.4 TB x 100% = 2.87% of possible upload capacity is allowed usage.
Why are they limiting it to only 3% of total capacity?
People on this SITE are usually PISSED if they are presented with a plan that only allows use of "their" connection at 3% of capacity.
Imagine how much uproar there would be if a U.S. provider capped their users at 9 GB/month on their 1 Mbps upload (3% of 324 GB/month) or 180 GB on their 20Mbps upload connection (3% of 6480 GB/month). | |
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| | Isn't bandwidth cheaper in the US? We made the internet, we have a huge infrastructure here. Lots of worldwide traffic crosses our country. How can a US company cry that they need a 30gb a month cap to make money, while in japan they can offer 100mbit symmetrical lines and only need to set a 930gb per month upload cap? Our government is such a failure to allow this mass ripping off of Americans to continue. | |
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| | Re: Japanese caps. Those poor, oppressed bastards. Only 930gb per month upload. How do they survive? I'll be sure to light a candle for them. | |
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| | haha on bell you suck whats the bell user get 60GB for 50$ more cost , haha | |
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| | umm Inb4 "Japan has is more densely populated"
930gb upload caps sounds nice. | |
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| | Well this is just ridiculous We should start a petition here for the poor treatment of the Japanese people as regards to modern technology. Maybe we can get congress and the senate to send them a few hundred billion to build up Japans networks. Maybe something like that would open the eye of the government in this country. Maybe then they would look at things like Verizon charging Americans a small house payment for 1 GB of data over 5 GB. How they have gotten away with saying 1 GB of data is worth a home, rent or car payment is beyond me. I for one can only hope with their trying to buy Alltel it will cause the FCC and the federal government to wake up to Verizon and others practices and do away with caps or raise them significantly. | |
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| | Hmmm.... I would love to see just half that speed and half that cap. I would be HAPPY with those numbers. And as far as the speeds being in house, I live in America so 90% of the websites I visit are in the U.S. So if I lived in Japan, I wouldn't care if the speed dropped if I browsed out of the country. And I think the speed drop has more to do with the servers over here rather than the band-with of the overseas lines. | |
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»www.cabletechtalk.com/tech-discu···t-equal/
It says OECD stats are flawed because they count broadband connections per 100 residents, which does not account for different household sizes.
For years I have been suspicious of people who say the US is way behind in broadband. Because there is no widespread dissatisfaction with US broadband (Broadband Reports readers are not representative) I have wondered if other countries and their higher saturation and speeds are either a) a result of bad statistics, or b) a result of misallocation of resources (e.g. governments pumping money into networks resulting in speeds higher than anyone needs.) Looks like it might be both. | |
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|  RallyBah HumbugPremium
join:2000-10-27
Astoria, NY
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Look at the series The US is way behind when it comes residential broadband. On the business side, we're almost tops. But you'll expect that.
That site is spin-mill central, and whiner central. But sometimes it's fun to read Cable CEOs and Verizon's Policy Chieftans duke it out. | |
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join:2008-02-27
Lexington Park, MD | wow "A) I'm not asking YOU."
You didnt ask me either so im just going to tell you!
"B) I'm asking for a SPECIFIC reason. If he would tell me then I could respond"
Reason for that particular application was stated already so i wont beat it to death. Some people are into gaming and share videos.
"C) get of your self-righteous kick."
again this is just further proof that your ignorant!
"D) doesn't matter is it's my busines it's certianly the ISPs business and so his answer would be important.
Fact if if he's just doing it for kicks and his ISP installs caps oh well he'll have to pay up or deal with measely 720P or 480P too fricken bad. If he's doing if for some business purpose well then he needs to be using a BUSINESS account. I don't know because he hasn't answered. and know I'm having to waste time repsonding to your "I'm the speaker for all on this board, obey me!" attitude."
I am glad you split your ignarance up into four categories. It makes it easier to respond. I will try to put this simply so you can understand.
Some people like myself pay for servers to host files. WE PAY ANOTHER COMPANY TO HOST FILES. Using this as an example someone would edit and make a video at thier home, using thier completely FREE open source software. When they complete it they upload it to a paid server that will then have a URL that will allow others to download so that they are not abusing thier local ISP.
It just so happens that my videos are of service men and women leaving for deployments. I make hd videos so that thier families can experience the deployments and homecomings in HD of thier sons and daughters, husbands, wives, and children. You do know? some of them dont come back. They have a place to go that is free to dload legal free HD videos of thier family members.
I am doing it just for kicks! Im not running a business. DOES MY USE OF MY INTERNET CONNECTION, TIME, AND RESOURCES FIT WITHIN YOUR DEFINITION OF ACCEPTABLE? | |
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join:2003-05-26
USA/MidWest
kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Well that was quick! Never about the network killers, is it!
»Why is broadband going back to age of dialup with
Faster than anticipated, guess who will be close on those heals, USA anyone. All for the minority how refuse to understand, even when expalined.
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