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| Re: SAY NO.... Microsoft's next OS, code-named Longhorn, "places great emphasis on locking down PCs to prevent unauthorised access to hardware and software"...
this is funny, microsoft can't put trust in the general public with their computer literacy level, you know, kind of like mcdonalds saying "HOT COFFEE" but go ahead & take a big drink... | |
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guitarzan
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| Re: ONE WORD Microsoft is patting itself on the back over this OS.? I on the utter hand will be giving M$ and longhorn,which I personally dubbed "soo long horn" buh bye.A swift kick in the azz and out the door.I hope the price is double-triple the $$$ of Xpee.So sales falls through the hole in the bottom of the barrel.
MS could not pay me enough $$ to install and use sh*t like that.For a couple million I will maybe
most likely THINK about it,and that's all I will do.
The working class have less and less control over their daily lives as it is.M$ is going to peddle a big stinking,heaping pile of shit called soo long horn to the computer users.Nooo thanks M$ stick it up yer...Don't need you.
Helloooo linux you sexy OS.Who's yer daddy you look so sleek and slim,Who loves ya baby? 
BTW: I'm downloading a linux distro on a windeerz PC.The sweet smell of irony is in the air.Yes my copy of Windoesn't is legit. | |
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Lindoesn't play every game... even with buggy "hacks" | |
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| Re: ONE WORD said by redxii  :Lindoesn't play every game... even with buggy "hacks" Yes I agree Lindoesn't play ever game.My kids will simply have to accept that fact.I'm not really worried about gaming.Although I did download and try BF1942which is history.That's not the point.
The point being Microsoft with this new OS is practicially telling it's user base we don't trust you.We know whats best for you.My software firewall is configured so any compoment that needs access to the net.I will know exactly what it is for any reason.
With this Trusted computer platform there stands a very good chance it will auto-config your programs.Suppose the firewall is among them.Now you can't change it the OS controls it.Same with the settings in Explorer.Again that's decided for you.Changing hardware in XP became a PITA proccess...wait til you see the PITA Longhorn becomes.
In fact I believe it will be worse than XP.Auto update will one be able to turn it off or will one get the false impression that it has.? There's that trust issue again.Oh you use Firefox.? We don't want that on our brandy new OS.Well then it's time secretly patch a critical update.
I say secretly because one doesnt know (Ctrl+Alt+Del)no longer reveals hidden proccesses currently running.After a reboot perhaps not.Firefox starts choking big time.
Hello Microsoft help desk? MS REPLY:How may I help you?
Cust:I tried opening a site using Firefox,I'm getting crazy errors. MS REPLY:Sorry we do not support that browser.
How then will the trusted computing platform,then be suspect or called into question? Nah chalk it up to user error
It will indeed be amusing to watch the outcome of Longhorn. | |
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guitarzan
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| Re: ONE WORD said by Nickker229 :why should they give customer support on a product they didn't create(FireFox)? said by Nickker229 :why should they give customer support on a product they didn't create(FireFox)? I wouldn't give support either.I don't think any company would do that.Perhaps what I should have posted relating to Fire-fox.Is in addition to locking down their OS.There is the very real possibility of other programs,that can be locked out as well.
Here is where misuse begins.(Hardware locking via a dedicated chip is combined with "hardening" of the OS to restrict how memory can be accessed.)The OS will restrict
the memory available..The chip or OS detects the installation of an "unauthorized program Fire-fox"in this instance.OS downloads a set of instructions to be carried out by the chip.Which refuses to allocate any memory to the app(Fire-fox) rendering it useless.Maybe auto update uninstalls it.
Provided it can be installed in a limited local user account in the first place.There is no doubt in my mind Microsoft will have full admin rights no matter what one hears otherwise.Right down to Lock stock & barrel.
SECONDLY:Security will also be boosted using a technique dubbed User Account Protection, which aims to ensure that computers can be locked so that local users are not given full administrator access by default.
Who has made this decision,since it's on by default.? Obliviously not the end user.I would guess that any "Locking" that occurs will be instructions from Redmond Not End User.
Now we get to the highly touted features of the OS.Here's one example.
(An additional layer of defence comes from what Echert calls "system hardening ". This ensures that only certain parts of the computer's memory can be written to, thus stopping memory resident malware from causing disruption.)
Look closer at the following see the discrepancy:
(Finally, User Account Protection will help protect against local PC infection by locking user rights, so that a hacker cannot gain full control if a computer is infected.).What that really reads is.The highly touted OS in no way shape or form come close to preventing hacking.BUT WILL take control by locking user rights.
The way this nonsense is headed.The less choices one has,because:Power corrupts .Absolute Power corrupts absolutely.Whoever wants soo long horn. Go and get it ladies & Gents.! God Bless ya more power to ya.
Now if longhorn were to come optimized with the latest version of AOL.That will be one sweet combo.
»www.cl.cam.ac.uk/~rja14/tcpa-faq.html This is only the beginning Sadly.
As I see it either I learn Linux PDQ,get a MAC or throw my PC out the damn window.Because there is no way in hell.I would ever let that crap into my house.Thanks MS I was a fan and OS user. Peace | |
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| Isn't this a fine kettle o' fish? Well... considering the majority of the folks I know don't use mSN or anything of M$ that you must pay for execpt the os and perhaps M$ office.... I guess they need to find a way to force us to use some of the bizar poducts.
All I can see is this is likely to force the spyware / malware / jokers to have write complicated code to look at your hardware and pick it apart.
So far you can count me outa this.
Buzzz.... Wrong Answer; Wrong Soloution.
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| Re: Isn't this a fine kettle o' fish? said by BarneyBadAss :Well... considering the majority of the folks I know don't use mSN or anything of M$ that you must pay for execpt the os and perhaps M$ office.... I guess they need to find a way to force us to use some of the bizar poducts. All I can see is this is likely to force the spyware / malware / jokers to have write complicated code to look at your hardware and pick it apart. So far you can count me outa this. Buzzz.... Wrong Answer; Wrong Soloution. ---Barney What are you talking about? You don't have to use their add-on software.
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| You and your friends aren't in MS's target market for this.
It is intended for ordinay computer users and small businesses -- those who want easy to setup, secure, reliable computing with an absolute minimal investment of research and education time -- time which they regard as wasted time, meaning a major cost.
For many people in North America, 3 hours of effort on training or installation translates to a cost in excess of $90. (Of course if you like that kind of work, it can be your hobby, and a benefit instead of a cost.)
Hobbiests and academics looking for something to play with, and tweak will use other products.
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G_Poobah
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| Re: Isn't this a fine kettle o' fish? Umm..
You do realize that this is just the first step, where they require ALL computers to use this chip? If you honestly believe that this is where it stops, then you are truly living in a fantasy world.... Your attitude is a band-aid to the problem (lets lock down and censor information, which is EXACTLY what the chip is meant to do), instead of the solution. This is a CENSOR CHIP, which is the REAL word for it, all hidden under the guise of 'security'. Read the documents on exactly what the chip is meant to do, and you'll understand.
If we follow your arguments to their logical conclusion (easy setup, secure, reliable and controlled and trusted by the government and large corporations), we'll end up with a well managed, patriotic and secure population.. Hmm.. sort of like 1930's germany....
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RomanySaad
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1 edit |  Finally!
said by TFA:
Administrator access can be granted with Longhorn, but local access only will be the default.
How long did that idea take?
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keith2468
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Winnipeg, MB | Re: Finally! Really ! It is amazingly long overdue.
And still there will be know-it-all amateurs who complain about this basic security feature taking away "their rights". | |
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| said by RomanySaad : How long did that idea take? only took them 5 years this time to follow apple's footsteps 
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8toushin
| microsoft isn't that bad When I installed Linux it asked me for my credit card number. Two days later I got a call from Wachovia asking me if I had purchased $400 worth of Totino's pizza rolls and Mountain Dew (I hadn't). Let this be a warning to all of you out there in the Internet. | |
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| Re: microsoft isn't that bad said by 8toushin:
When I installed Linux it asked me for my credit card number. Two days later I got a call from Wachovia asking me if I had purchased $400 worth of Totino's pizza rolls and Mountain Dew (I hadn't). Let this be a warning to all of you out there in the Internet.
Which linux was this that asked for a credit card? That's news to me.
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In other news, did you know that 'gullible' isn't on dictionary.com?
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And you actually gave it your card number? DUHHHHH. | |
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| said by 8toushin:
When I installed Linux it asked me for my credit card number. Two days later I got a call from Wachovia asking me if I had purchased $400 worth of Totino's pizza rolls and Mountain Dew (I hadn't). Let this be a warning to all of you out there in the Internet.
Obviously Balmer had free time to post at BBR and spread FUD. | |
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| Re: Good step to take; but complainers won't be ha I rather let them get tired and not install the software, than install some fully loaded spyware program that will screw their computer up.
No matter how you look at it, the non-technical people will always blame Microsoft for problems, even when it's not an OS issue (but a user error).
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| Re: Good step to take; but complainers won't be ha Things that make you go Hmmmm...M$ makes their OS harder for adware and spyware and also is rumored to be in talks with Claria(Gator) to purchase the company. Hmmmm! 
If I didn't know better it sounds to me like M$ is attempting to lock out the competition and make way for their own software. Nahhh! They wouldn't do that. | |
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| My concern is piracy.. It's no secret that Windows OS is probably one of the most pirated softwares out there. My concern is that users who have pirated operating systems will not opt to use their "Onecare" software in fear of being arrested, and Microsoft would probably not allow pirated companies to install and subscribe to "Onecare".
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| Re: My concern is piracy.. "My concern is that users who have pirated operating systems will not opt to use their "Onecare" software in fear of being arrested, and Microsoft would probably not allow pirated companies to install and subscribe to "Onecare"."
Pfff. Trust me, the people fluent enough in technology to actually successfully pirate an OS and use it aren't the kind of people who would use any subscription service from MS anyway. They'll either pirate some other AV solution, or use freeware. I have a very legitimate, paid copy of Windows XP Home. When Longhorn comes out, I can tell you I won't be getting a subscription to any AV, let alone this OneCare crap:
"Windows OneCare automatically takes care of key tasks such as running antivirus scans, updating the antivirus engine and virus definitions, updating the firewall, and running a monthly PC tune-up to improve and maintain your computer's performance."
This is *exactly* the kind of thing I *don't* want. Automatic anything gets shut off on my machine. It's just a personal thing, perhaps, but I've found that things that auto-update themselves tend to cause more hassles then problems. Not all upgrades are good, not all patches are bug free, and I prefer the option of installing something over having it done for me. I don't need Microsoft + OneCare babysitting for me. Now, if this OneCare allows for the option of turning off the automation, fine. I still wouldn't *pay* for it, because most of it is the kind of stuff I can already do with freeware or do myself. But if it doesn't allow for automation turnoff (as has seemed to become a recent trend in a lot of security software I've looked at) then I, and many of the computer users that I know, wouldn't have much of a use for it anyway.
The average user isn't the type of person who pirates an OS. OneCare is targeting the so-called "dumb users" who prefer to just turn on their machine and have it work for them without them having to do anything. Will they pay? Maybe. They also seem to be the users who install anything that pops up on the screen, and thus, suffer most from the viruses. The OS piraters I know are usually smarter users than those people, and as such, don't get infected to the degree those people do. But just based on the description, OneCare isn't something that I would recommend to anyone, in the same way that I avoid recommending certain firewall and AV products. | |
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| Sadly a lot of pirated copies are running on machines owned by not so technical people. They got a copy of a "friend of a friend of a friend" and when they can't download the lastest updates, "oh well" is their comment. Meanwhile, deep down in their hard drive, worms are developing, viruses are spreading, spam is being generated.
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| Only A Matter Of Time I would say that their idea of secure computing isn't for me, but like all other OSs I will be forced to upgrade eventually. Unless more software is made for Linux or Mac, I just don't see myself dropping Windows.
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| Re: Only A Matter Of Time said by ArchAngel21x :I would say that their idea of secure computing isn't for me, Is it the TPM you don't like? If that's not it then you won't find otherwise. You'd have to not use any computer to escape it.
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| Pay for a subscription? Nah...
To add insult to injury, they want you to pay a yearly subscription for "one care" and let them run it automatically. Not me, sorry. You would think with all the holes in their previous OS's and how crackers have been able to twist them and pervert the system for stealth installs, they would be ashamed and give it to you as an apology. Of course, all Bill cares about is money, so that's not going to happen.
In any case, I dont pay for subscriptions and I allways manage to find some freeware stand alone that is not only free, but effective. It seems to me that there are many people who are just as clever as the crackers out there writing good freeware. Why pay when you dont have to? | |
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| I'll hold off... I hold off forming an opinion about Longhorn UNTIL IT IS AVAILABLE...
With that said though, the features look like they might be taking security a little more seriously...
I am not a fan of their subscription service idea and never liked the Trusted Computing concept, but those features can probably be turned off or bypassed, so...
Now its time to wait and see.
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| They are testing the waters... "Trusted Platform Module" is just a fancy word for taking away rights. Next, you'll need to pee into your computer before you can use it. This chip/os combo will be a total flop if the public is made aware of what this really is. For those who say, 'there ought to be a law', wake up. The government will NOT step in to help. The individual rights will be protected only so long as they don't conflict with the state. To do otherwise would disenfranchise the state, and there is nothing is more dangerous to a society.
Having said that, it is important to understand where the corporations such as microsoft, intel, and the **AA'sses stands in relation to the individual and the state. It has become apparent to us all, at least in America, that the corporations rights FAR exceed the rights of the individual, and are rapidly approaching par with the state. The society which we formed over 200 years ago has been corrupted, infected with a cancer if you will, with the rights of the corporations over those of the individual. This cheapens us all, and there are only 2 logical outcomes to these changes.
#1: A Big Brother state, where human life is bought and sold by the rich and powerful corporations, or
#2: A violent revolutionary uprising, where those in power are brought down and executed, and we start again.
Neither one is a desirable solution, so we could be avoid it by severly limiting the powers of the corporations and those individuals who run them. Vote against the establishment, buy guns, flaunt stupid laws, and for gods sake, use all your influence to prevent anyone from BUYING these things.
AMD, if you REALLY want to defeat intel, make your chips without the crap chip, and then launch a fear and smear campaign against intel. It will boost your sales throught the roof.
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| Re: They are testing the waters... "Blackhat hackers and scripkiddies" are the reason to censor our computers, and limit what we can do? That has got to be the most irrelavant and inane comment ever.
Please explain to me how this chip is going to stop phishing, identity theft, or hacking at all?
Billy Bob goes and enters his password for his bank account due to a phishing e-mail.. hmmm.. nope, chip isn't going to stop that.
Joe Hacker cracks into citibank and steals 10 million identities. Hmm.. nope, chip won't stop that.
Secret Source informs reporter about government corruption using e-mail. Hmm.. we can call that source. I don't know.. Deep Throat..
Luckily for us all, "The Chip" WILL STOP THAT.. With the new "Puppy Dog and Child Safety Protector Patriot Act", you can't post anonymously, you can't write a document anonymously, you can't record your own music, or do ANYTHING without every...single..keypress tracked and recorded by the government.. But on the plus side, the children will be safe, and all the evil terrorists will be stopped.
FREAKING BRILLIANT IDEA there... We need to revive Joseph Stalin, cause he's the most appropriate person to run our country after this chip is released.
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| That chip is a tracker and was the government's idea. AMD bought the technology from Intel and made it's chips better. That's why AMD is cheaper. AMD will follow Intel on that tracking chip to government specifications. The government already sniffs our telephones....hehe! | |
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sitrix
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| Agree... Still it's sad how low public awareness is on TCPA subject.
I won't make a big post about it, but normal people always think "ahhh time to switch to linux if longhorn comes"... That statement is nearly useless, since TCPA is carefully "laying in" ground using excuses such as security, stability and safety, to pass a law that will require all software to be certified to run on their hardware. It will require large chunks of money to certify every build by TCPA board and do you really think that open source developers (linux, etc.) will have money to fight large corporations, especially when there will be a law that will protect TCPA? With years worth of talk about making amendments to DMCA, we still haven't had any results in that department. With that, TCPA's law (which will be renamed to something less obvious) has a large chance of passing, especially when it can get tacked onto some other bill involving additional funding of US armed troops in Iraq.  If "driver licence law" that involves getting people chipped (huge identity theft risk) can pass, then why would law that supposed to "protect" your PC from potential terrorists (yea, you can cover it up nicely) wont pass? | |
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guitarzan
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Is this trusted computing platform not quite nicely going hand in hand,with the passing of the Patroit Act.? You can relax the Patroit Act WILL be passed. | |
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mrchris
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| Re: XP I ran XP when it came out, it was never finished. I beta tested all windows OS' since version 3.0 and IBM OS2 Warp(which is still unhackable). OS2 never got popular cause it was not very user friendly. Banks here use OS2 on a Novell platform. You had to know your irq's, com ports, and install your drivers. XP is not stable and never will be. XP is basically "Windows for Dummies" with all the "Bells & Whistles". XP has a memory allocation problem where application memory addresses overlap, hence, the crashes. By default with XP, Microsoft reserves 20% of your bandwidth for it's own use on your PC. Yes, a bottleneck. Windows 2000 server is the only stable OS(a better windows for dummies....hehe) without having to do much tweaking and is less hassle for the average user. Win2000 Pro has some network options grayed out which I found to be of importance. Win2000 Server is also good for gamers and stable with 16bit and 32bit apps. Win2003 OS has it's bugs. Example, the menubar blocks the popup bubble to the apps on the bar. I consider it unfinished like it's predecessors. If your looking for stability and less hassles, Win2000 server is your best option and no activation bull-kahkah. XP also has spyware built-in that cannot be removed by other software. Think about that....hahahaha.
P.S. I also played with Novell since 2.2 and Redhat since 4.2. | |
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| Re: XP said by RedPepper2 :I ran XP when it came out, it was never finished. I beta tested all windows OS' since version 3.0 and IBM OS2 Warp(which is still unhackable). OS2 never got popular cause it was not very user friendly. Banks here use OS2 on a Novell platform. You had to know your irq's, com ports, and install your drivers. XP is not stable and never will be. XP is basically "Windows for Dummies" with all the "Bells & Whistles". XP has a memory allocation problem where application memory addresses overlap, hence, the crashes. By default with XP, Microsoft reserves 20% of your bandwidth for it's own use on your PC. Yes, a bottleneck. Windows 2000 server is the only stable OS(a better windows for dummies....hehe) without having to do much tweaking and is less hassle for the average user. Win2000 Pro has some network options grayed out which I found to be of importance. Win2000 Server is also good for gamers and stable with 16bit and 32bit apps. Win2003 OS has it's bugs. Example, the menubar blocks the popup bubble to the apps on the bar. I consider it unfinished like it's predecessors. If your looking for stability and less hassles, Win2000 server is your best option and no activation bull-kahkah. XP also has spyware built-in that cannot be removed by other software. Think about that....hahahaha. P.S. I also played with Novell since 2.2 and Redhat since 4.2. actually I agree, i run my copy of windows 2000 server on my workstation, no need to deal with all the garbage in xp that i dont want anyway...
my install of 2000 is from beta 3 actually, from 1999, havent had to reinstall in 6 years and my machine runs snappy and happy
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1 edit | MS Finally Gets Msg From Regular Consumers The future of mass market software development and marketing isn't small specialist markets made up of enthusiasts and academics. Nor is it major multi-national enterprises.
The mass market is ordinary people and ordinary small and med-sized businesses.
The mass market is people and organizations using computers to accomplish some task. Such people vastly outnumber the people running computers as an academic exercise or as a hobby in and of itself.
These ordinary people do not want to spend their time searching for, learning about, installing, evaluating, tweaking and upgrading 5 to 10 individual different security products and patches.
Ordinary people want secure trouble free computing without investing more than an hour or so per month (the same thing they want from their cars).
And finally it appears that MS, Longhorn and Onecare will address the needs of this large ignored market of ordinary people.
Of course those of us who get our kicks out of tweaking our machines won't want Onecare. And that shouldn't be news.
Enthusiasts and hobbiest won't care about Onecare, although we might care about Longhorn. But enthusiasts and hobbiests are not the target market, so that doesn't matter.
If Onecare and Longhorn work effectively for ordinary people with minimal training they will be major marketing successes for MS.
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| | RedPepper2
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| Re: MS Finally Gets Msg From Regular Consumers Microsoft is always looking for suckers and got rich off suckers. I paid for Windows for Workgroups 3.11, and I consider that's all they deserve. I was OEM with Microsoft back in 94. Bill Gates thinks everyone is a sucker. He crashed his on OS at a Comdex demonstration. Piracy is an essential factor in the sale and popularity of software. Programmers read forums too and get feedback. If a programmer ain't making money on his or her software, he or she probably ain't any good. Good programmers have jobs. I have to cousins that work at home and get paid good.
Bill Gates made enough money, windows should be free like Linux....hahaha! | |
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1 edit | Support For Stolen / Pirated Software Imagine a criminal stealing a car, and then complaining the car maker won't provide free tune-ups and warranty service.
Imagine other drivers complaining about car makers endangering the public by refusing to maintain stolen cars for free.
It is the same thing with software.
The fault and the responsibility belong to the criminal thief whether he is stealing and driving a car, or stealing and running an internet connected computer.
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Anonymous2
@mchsi.com | Re: Support For Stolen / Pirated Software Well the problem is there are no thieves you idiot!
There are people that infringe but they do not steal. | |
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Lovin Verizon FIOS
join:2002-10-12
Flanders, NJ
| Could MS be shooting themselves in the foot? I don't mean to add fuel to a burning fire, but isn't microsoft shooting themselves in the foot? I mean, the new Macs will be x86 based, WINE is already being ported to the new Mactel architecture. The last thing Microsoft should be doing right now is adding unpopular 'features' to their operating system. | |
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FLECOM
Bay Networks Freak
Premium
join:2003-03-03
Miami, FL
| Re: Could MS be shooting themselves in the foot? said by Eek2121 :I don't mean to add fuel to a burning fire, but isn't microsoft shooting themselves in the foot? I mean, the new Macs will be x86 based, WINE is already being ported to the new Mactel architecture. The last thing Microsoft should be doing right now is adding unpopular 'features' to their operating system. you mean like buying Claria?
they are trying to just take over the world finally i think, they are trying to see how stupid people are... so far, pretty stupid 
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redxii
too big to fail
Premium,Mod
join:2001-02-26
Texas | Remember, Microsoft is not the only company invovled with TCPA. There's a whole shitload of other big names in on it. | |
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RDins
@comcast.net | IE7 will be good From what I have read, if they block admin access it will be a relief to all those who have spyware. At least for those that dont click the button that says "allow admin access" when browsing. This will be a great start. | |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
Premium
join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith | I'll use what I have now.. •Hardware - Pentium 4 & a couple Pentium 3's
•OS - XP, W2K & Linux
They can take their 'Trusted Computing' and put where the sun don't shine. | |
| | wuy3
join:2004-08-04
North Haven, CT
| Re: I'll use what I have now.. Although I hate TCPA. My view is that its going to inevitably be intergrated. Any market sector eventually matures and evolves standards/limits imposed by the major players within that sector. This is true for cars/electronics/etc.
At least the old economic models compell me to think this way. And it doesn't seem like the old model will be phased out anytime soon. | |
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richk_1957
If ..Then..Else
Premium
join:2001-04-11
Minas Tirith
| Re: I'll use what I have now.. said by wuy3 :Although I hate TCPA. My view is that its going to inevitably be intergrated. If the TCPA was something that had been created by economic forces, I might not be so worried about it. But the TCPA was created by special interest groups (RIAA, MPAA, BSA and others). Their only concern is how much money they are losing because their overpriced products are being 'pirated' [that is in itself another topic - won't try to go into it here].
I want the freedom to do what I want, in my own home, on my computer and if I read the TCPA directive right, it will prevent most of that. | |
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Premium
join:2002-04-20
Rockwood, MI
·AT&T Midwest
| Re: I'll use what I have now.. Well As for me I really like Automatic updates, and when Onecare comes out, I may actually subscripe to it, sure I don't use any kind of software firewall with my wireless nat router, but Longhorn is also a good OS in my opinion, and with all the automatic updating it will do, will be less hassle supporting on friends and family PC's, and I've never had one single problem with any automatic updates.
Norton auto updates
Quicktime on mine
Windows
and whatever other program auto updates. | |
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PGC
join:2002-01-10
Louisville, CO
| What does this all mean? The implications are endless, I will give you just a few...
The long term result will be that it will be impossible to use hardware and software that's not approved by the TCG Presumably there will be high costs to get this certification and that these would be too much for little and mid-range companies. Therefore open-source and freeware would be condemned to die, because without such a certification the software will simply not work. In the long term only the big companies would survive and could control the market as they would like.
Some specific industry sectors may be hard hit. Smartcard vendors, for example, face the prospect that many of the applications they had dreamt of colonizing with their products will instead run on TC platforms in people's PCs, PDAs and mobile phones. The information security industry in general faces disruption as many products are migrated to TC or abandoned. The overall economic effects are likely to include a shift of the playing field against small companies and in favor of large ones; a shift against market entrants in favor of incumbents; and greater costs and risks associated with new business startups. One way of looking at this is that the computer and communications industries will become more like traditional industry sectors.
The rights and licenses would be central managed by the TCG. And as soon a violation is noticed, they will get notified.
It is almost certain that law enforcement will have a back door onto the entire TCG infrastructure. The ultimate in "Big Brother" tools! They could in theory access, read, modify, delete any file on any TCG compliant computer!
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Good step to take; but complainers won't be happy
