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Los Angeles Looking to Run 1 Gbps Fiber to Every Home & Business
by Karl Bode 06:47PM Tuesday Nov 05 2013 Tipped by mromero See Profile
According to Government Technology Review, the city of Los Angeles is expected next year to launch a plan that would bring 1 Gbps speeds to every home, business and government building within city limits. The city has yet to select a vendor for the $3 billion to $5 billion fiber network build, which is part of a broader IT plan to modernize the city's infrastructure. The plan certainly won't be a big hit with Time Warner Cable, with whom the city has had a somewhat contentious relationship since their messy 2007 takeover of Adelphia.

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silbaco
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The Plan

The vendor has to pay all $3 to $5 billion to build the network (covering every single residence & business) and still has to pay the city for any services required, such as for permitting and inspection. On top of that, the have to play by the cities rules. That includes offering free internet of 2-5 Mbps to everyone, AND grant open access to any provider who wants to use the network, even though they are not paying the $3 - $5 billion construction costs.

This is never going to happen.
xenophon

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Re: The Plan

Or it fails and Google moves in to buy it for $1.
TBBroadband

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Fremont, OH

Re: The Plan

Pipe dream

MikeHathaway

@fuhsd.org
Remember providing data to schools, libraries, city offices and all the datacenter hosting for LA is one of the carrots. That part will bring in some money to whoever does it. Add that they are already making arrangements to reimburse permitting fees from city funds if needed. One of the things that stopped google in one of their rollouts was a city making it difficult to permit. The promise of a greased up process means a lot.

mromero
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Only way this happens is

if Google decides to spend the coin to do it. Only Google is crazy enough to do this.
xenophon

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Re: Only way this happens is

Or design in a way that makes it easy for Google to take over if it fails.
openbox9
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Re: Only way this happens is

Can you say lawsuit?

Duramax08
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idunno, California is pretty crazy. After all, they elected a movie star for governor.

Philmatic
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Re: Only way this happens is

said by Duramax08:

idunno, California is pretty crazy. After all, they elected a movie star for governor.

TWICE
andre2

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Re: Only way this happens is

The whole country elected a movie star for president, twice.

"No wonder your president has to be an actor. He's gotta look good on television."
dragonman300

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Anaheim, CA
LOL^

totamak
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Given the preceding and succeeding governors, he is a step up!
TBBroadband

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They would not be open to the open access- they did a 360 on that with KC's markets.
biochemistry
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Listen up Verizon and AT&T

If the incumbents stick with trying to provide crappy wireless internet, they will regret it in the long term. Build out FTTH or watch someone else do it and forever kiss that potential revenue stream goodbye.
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silbaco
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Re: Listen up Verizon and AT&T

Who is going to fork up $3 to $5 billion, just to have the city strictly regulate your pricing and require you to offer open access? No one is going to do that.
sonicmerlin

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Re: Listen up Verizon and AT&T

That's why it's an RFP, request for proposals.
TBBroadband

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Hell I'm sure it would cost more than that to build the network just to the businesses.
tmc8080

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next, up?

ok, put some names in the barrel (who has several billion dollars in cash) and select one:

google, at&t, sprint, Vodafone, Microsoft, apple, dish network, Heinz (yep, the ketchup people), Intel, etc

Last I heard California and the biggest cities such as LA were going broke... unless there's been some huge turnaround that never got published anywhere. IMO, NYC is more likely to get a deal than LA... since this land was built on fiber optics--they're just not in a rush to shove it down residential consumers' throats at high prices yet-- maybe in another 2-5 years.

BTW, the 3rd party leasing/provider option is DOA no matter who you get to invest the money.

One last thing.. doesn't AT&T own the vast majority of the backbone fiber that runs through California?
Ozykz

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Re: next, up?

Heinz running a internet company, Would probably be installed along with their would be ctKTTP network.(compressed tube ketchup to the premises)
TBBroadband

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If you go broke building this, you don't have to pay it off. That's the issue with Detroit. They wanted the stadium, went broke- they're still building it but don't have to pay on it. And now they want to build a light rail system- which should have been LEFT there in the first place instead of GM and Ford buying it and destroying the system like they did in every other city.
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The key word is "looking"

Los Angeles City has been fundamentally overdrawn and bankrupt, fiscally and morally, for some time now.

They can't meet their basic pension obligations, trim the trees, fix the sidewalks, repair potholes or repave streets, map water and sewer lines, keep the lights on and the libraries open - functions that neighboring cities like Burbank, Glendale, Pasadena, Beverly Hills, Santa Monica, and Culver City achieve with their eyes closed. (Don't get me started on public safety and the fire department.)

But they're going to get fiber to the people for less than Time Warner charges for service people actually buy ($15/month for 2M Internet Lite). Sure.

This is just a setup for another tax and bond measure, to feed billions to the DWP and the IBEW. Fortunately, it will fail, on day one. The people didn't fall for the "Solar Roofing" measure, they're not going to fall for the sidewalk or pothole tax. Homeowners aren't too keen on their $32 Billion in post-Prop-13 school taxes being used to buy iPads. They're not going to buy in to Fiber Fever.

The city could simply stop taking over 20% of the DWP's revenues for their own use, and require the utility to refund those monies to customers, who could then decide for themselves, whether or not they wanted to order cable modem service, which clearly will deliver fiber-like speeds soon enough.
96563396

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Re: The key word is "looking"

how can they afford this... with more federal reserve fiat money... add that on to the 17 trillion dollars in debt... i guess they are doing this now since the nsa is online and spying on everyone... so when you us the 1gigabit line for illegal activities they can arrest you.
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Re: The key word is "looking"

What would be smart from the NSA/FBI stand point is the gov't fund the network, they would have direct access to EVERYTHING with no problems. And where they don't run FTTH they can run FTTN or wireless of some sort. Would grant open access, but also the NSA would have no problems at all getting what they want.
kerya666

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Valrico, FL

Re: The key word is "looking"

said by TBBroadband:

... the NSA would have no problems at all getting what they want.

Like the have a problem now. Hah

anonome

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Cool...

havin' "a gig in LA" will take on a whole new meaning.
ipwn3r456

join:2013-07-31
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So... good or bad news?

Read the title, looks very interesting. But who's goona spend 3 - 5 billion...

anonome

@verizon.net

Re: So... good or bad news?

People whose sole purpose in life is to spend other peoples' money ...you know--our "representatives" in the govt.
Tiger51

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Miami, FL

Re: So... good or bad news?

Like all the other peoples money wasted on needless aircraft carriers and tanks.

fg8578

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Salem, OR
said by anonome :

People whose sole purpose in life is to spend other peoples' money ...you know--our "representatives" in the govt.

I dunno -- people right here on DSL Reports are pretty good at telling (if not actually spending) companies like Comcast, AT&T and Verizon how to spend their money.

dvd536
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What is this?

week of the 'FTTP' fibre to the press release announcements
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kilrathi
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lol

Are they gonna make pigs fly too?

nunya
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5B?

City of L.A. is a big f'ing place with a lot of people. I cannot fathom that a project this size could be done for $5B.
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Avgbowler

@verizon.net

Everyone is Forgetting One Thing.....

Could this be a big huge UNION payback? Which is the only agency in LA that makes money for the city? That's right, the LADWP.... They have all of the right of ways, and access to every single pole, and underground vault in the city. They also would have the funding to pull this of, and their systems are already set up to provide the billing.

Just think about it, it could happen, especially since Verizon has skipped huge areas of the city, and we will not even discuss AT&T and Time Warner's terrible service.
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fiber will get to the moon first

The city of LA cannot fix its sidewalks or streets. Now this BS. I dont even know why this type of silliness is reported on. You cant even find a wal mart in the city. Why its because city of LA is extremely anti business. For one all businesses in the city must pay a 10% tax on all earnings. Those just outside the city dont. How is that for competitive?

Right now in a very nice area of the city the max we can get on 1940's copper from "Att U verse" is 2.3 down and about 0.45 upload. That would be a good speed for say rural Azerbaijan...but one of the largest cities in the USA? come on.

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avgbowler6

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Venice, CA

Re: fiber will get to the moon first

You can easily find A WALMART in the city. There is only one... But here is the thing, you have to remember when Walmart had the chance to open multiple locations, they changed their minds.

Now, the unions keep them out at every turn.

In all seriousness, I wish the city could pull this off, because though I am in a FIOS area, they really need some competition to finish their spotty roll outs.
othas3

join:2002-07-15
Los Angeles, CA

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I live in Los Angeles and all I have to say about this is....

....April 1st has come 6 months early.

Doug Marlowe

@comcast.net

A skeptic

I concur. On the surface this appears to be folly. But, like many municipalities in the past, the mere threat of a fiber build may actually be a ploy by LA to "motivate" the existing franchisees to up their game and offer higher speed services. This will happen no matter what with the deployment of DOCSIS 3.1 by the cable operators.

In my opinion, LA would be better served by funding research and education facilities that would advance DOCSIS 3.1, LTE & 5G, and Fiber to the Antenna (FTTA) & HetNets. Then offering seed money for innovators.

Technology-wise, we ought to watch what Reliance Infotel and Airtel are doing in Mumbai and Delhi. Most customers will connect using high-speed, broadly-deployed LTE using MiFi. It's ambitious. And they are rolling out Active Ethernet, GPON, GEPON, and EPON where each makes sense, especially for MDUs and Private Metro-Nets.

The question we need answered are these:
How ought LA be developing Internet connectivity in order to foster sustainable growth?
What is standing in the way?
What can be done now and in increments?
At the end of the day, what will be the result?

Really, what's the problem LA is trying to solve?

I've built networks like this across the USA. It can be done well, but more often than not, it is not sustainable.

Signed
Doug Marlowe

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only thought

I would be impressed if this actually gets up off the ground. To be brutally honest, I wouldn't expect any of the big buys (cable, DSL, or even wireless) to make a bid on that, and live with those restrictions.

I don't think even Google would be this dumb.

Then again, I got $5 for the bet someone will be.
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CJ90006

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Los Angeles, CA
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It's not that much of a pipe dream...

LADWP already manages it's own fiber infrastructure and it does already lease Metro Ethernet services to businesses. See this link:

»www.ladwp.com/ladwp/faces/ladwp/···wId=null

telcodad

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LA's plan is "as plausible as finding a unicorn"

Skeptics say LA’s free fiber plan as plausible as finding a unicorn
Will AT&T or Verizon build free citywide fiber and Wi-Fi? Unlikely.
By Jon Brodkin, Ars Technica - November 8, 2013
»arstechnica.com/information-tech···unicorn/
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Re: LA's plan is "as plausible as finding a unicorn"

said by telcodad:

Skeptics say LA’s free fiber plan as plausible as finding a unicorn
Will AT&T or Verizon build free citywide fiber and Wi-Fi? Unlikely.
By Jon Brodkin, Ars Technica - November 8, 2013
»arstechnica.com/information-tech···unicorn/

Maybe there's hope Google will jump in and take it over? Can always dream, right? I mean the fiber already exists from LADWP, so it's not like they have to start from scratch.