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Los Angeles demands Adelphia to roll back rates...
(old news - 05:40PM Thursday May 01 2003)
Los Angeles Mayor Jim Hahn and City Attorney Rocky Delgadillo today called on the Board of Information Technology Commissioners to approve a proposed rate regulation order for Adelphia Communications, requiring Adelphia to roll back recent rate increases and rebate subscribers. "Adelphia has failed to justify the basic cable service rate increase it imposed on subscribers last year," said Hahn. "I want Adelphia to return to previous rates and issue subscribers a refund for the difference as soon as possible." Read More (PDF File - Acrobat Reader required)
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MikBo
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Lynchburg, VA |  "Cheaper Rates" NO WAY!!!!!!!!!!
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JacksGhost
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| Justification? I have no idea what the rates in Cali were like last year or the year before...
Adelphia just spent a TON of money on California. They are in the process of updating networks that don't really 'need' it to operate to satisfy these people while other areas starved or starve to even stay in operation!
I propose a swap. Lets take the old Newcastle system.. How about Ashburn or Murfeesboro of the past... send THAT to Cali!  See what the Mayor thinks about THAT! | |
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cpr2k
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| Re: Justification? I will never understand why people just don't get the fact that it costs money to provide a service. Typical politicians. They raise our taxes and fees because "things cost more than they used to" and "they have to invest in infrastructure" but pound on businesses as if they don't have the same issues. If LA thinks they can get better service for less, they should find it and go for it. The way things are going, there's going to be a mass migration of businesses out of California and the whole place can be left to the illegal immigrants. Maybe the recall attempt for Gov. Dufus will get legs and we can get leadership that has a clue. Alas, I think there's little hope for us here in "The people's republic of California". *Sigh*
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JacksGhost
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| Re: Justification? "there's going to be a mass migration of businesses out of California "
Whats wierd.. I think Cali should learn from the 'Cuomo' mistakes of New York.
Consumer protection is needed to certain extents, but when it starts costing those same consumers their jobs as businesses look for a less' hostile ' market to work in.
The 'Cuomo Effect' stirred a lot of businesses up in the area. When Nafta went into effect, they ALL decided not to stick around. The industrial centers that USED to be in Western N.Y. are all but gone. The few remaining have stripped operations down to the bare minimums needed to get by.
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MacLeech
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| Re: Justification? said by kfsutops  :
The people here say they are. But the basic cable here still has the same crappy ass 52 channels that you could get 15 years ago, while other areas can get 99 channels. No channel additions, no more digital channels added, no nothing but a nice increase. For what?
Why is the non-upgraded area of Boyton Beach listed as having 62 channels not including the digital channels that are also available? With Digital it seems that another 30 channels, without counting the inDemand and music only channels, are available.
Seems some upgrades have been done because I certainlly don't think the digital channel line-up was available 15 years ago, nor was the 1-way cable modem service.
And thats only for some parts of Boynton Beach, other parts apparently have been upgraded to an 80 analog channel system plus about double the number of digital channels, premium channels, inDemand channels, and audio channels of the non-upgraded area. Then don't forget the 2-way cable modem service.
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MacLeech
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| Re: Justification? said by kfsutops :
Good question Mac. You tell me where my other 10 channels are. You have come up with a different channel lineup for Boynton now.
After searching through about a dozen different channel line-ups for that part of Florida, I finally found 1 with a 52 channel line up. I never realized just how fragmented that part of the Florida region was... ouch. But your right, every other system surrounding yours has more channels.
said by kfsutops :
The basic system in BOYNTON is extremely old and you know it, Adelphia knows it, and everyone in boynton knows it.
Which is why Adelphia has been in the process of upgrading the entire region around State Highway 7 since they aquired those systems. Of course the bankruptcy delayed things but the area that isn't fully upgraded is shrinking pretty quickly. Sorry you seem to be stuck in one of the last to see the upgrades...
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JacksGhost
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| "Are they upgrading "their infrastructure"? The people here say they are."
OK.. are they or are they not?
CNR1.atlsfa, CNR1.miamfl and CNR1.orlnfl.. 3 new server farms to replace 2 older ones from cnr.dad and cnr.pbc ( dade and pbc ). Along with those DHCP servers comes the DNS, TOD and other relevent boxes.
THOUSANDS of miles of fibre, switches, amps and other physical layer devices.
You do know that analog cable plants loose money. without updating the systems in florida to a 750+Mhz system, they would stand to loose out on a LOT of future revenues.
The infrastructure is/has been in the process of being built.
Sincerely,
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JacksGhost
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Buffalo, NY | Re: Justification? Boynton beach feeds off cnr1.atlsfl . Your waiting on return feeds. | |
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| "Alas, I think there's little hope for us here in "The people's republic of California". *Sigh*"
How's your bomb shelter?
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cpr2k
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| Re: Justification? "How's your bomb shelter?"
What in the world has that comment got to do with anything? A typical useless post. My comment about the people's republic has to do with big government controlling the lives and finances of everyday people and businesses. You need to understand that there are hundreds of businesses, large and small, that are looking at moving out of California. If they go, they will take thousands of good paying jobs with them. A government cannot, I repeat cannot, tax and regulate it's way to prosperity.
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| Re: Justification? said by cpr2k :
A government cannot, I repeat cannot, tax and regulate it's way to prosperity.
Yep, just ask the NYS govt how it worked out for them.  | |
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MacLeech
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| said by JacksGhost :
I have no idea what the rates in Cali were like last year or the year before...
Highest rate increase listed by Adelphia: $2.02
This is for basic cable rates, which by law is the only set of rates the franchising authority (The City of Los Angeles in this case)has any say or control over.
See this link for rate info:
»www.lacity.org/ita/Cable_Rate_In···tice.pdf
Also for reference, here is a FCC document on cable rate regulation and a LA City Document on rate regulation:
»www.fcc.gov/mb/facts/pubrole.html
»www.lacity.org/ita/RateSheet_1.pdf
Here is the LA City link for city cable TV info:
»www.lacity.org/ita/itacr1.htm
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| Re: Justification? "They raise our taxes and fees because "things cost more than they used to" and "they have to invest in infrastructure" but pound on businesses as if they don't have the same issues"...
This Kodak moment brought to you by the corporate cheerleaders of America, fighting for the poor and defenseless corporations of America for over 100 years. Some of our famous clients include Exxon, American Airlines and of course, who could forget Enron. Are you tired of paying those taxes? Want to stick it to the little guy with your money problems? Do you feel you should be able to do whatever you want with nobody butting in to protect the consumer and citizens of your nation? Well if so, call us at 1-800-POLLUTE, yes that's 1-800-POLLUTE.
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| Re: Justification? Your livelihood as well as mine depend on a robust economy, LA2. Corporations are needed. Of course, if you choose to gauge corporate America by the actions of a few high-profile cases, that's certainly your right.
Meanwhile, CA is getting ready to borrow a record $11 billion dollars to offset a deficit.
»www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/ar···ay2.html
How do you think that will be paid for? Personally I fear big government, not big business.
*edit* added the CA $11 billion story link
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JacksGhost
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| Hey Love2.. Those same companies you bastardized also paid a lot of workers wages over many years. Those wages inturn contributed a hefty sum of tax dollars ( any tax is hefty in my opinion ) to the Government for all the lovely dependency.. err.. social programs we have today.
Eliminate those companies and you eliminate the workforce. Your taxes go up and you have less to pay for the next cable rate increase.
Vicious circle, but you need those corporations.
Sincerely,
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pianotech
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New Castle, PA | Re: Justification? Bingo, Jax.. | |
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cpr2k
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| "This Kodak moment brought to you by the corporate cheerleaders of America, fighting for the poor and defenseless corporations of America for over 100 years. Some of our famous clients include Exxon, American Airlines and of course, who could forget Enron. Are you tired of paying those taxes? Want to stick it to the little guy with your money problems? Do you feel you should be able to do whatever you want with nobody butting in to protect the consumer and citizens of your nation? Well if so, call us at 1-800-POLLUTE, yes that's 1-800-POLLUTE."
Once again you show how little you know and understand about economics. Perhaps if you had a real job or better still tried to run one and employ people you'd have a better idea. Let me give you a simple example. If California charges more to run a business than say Nevada or Arizona, many business will move to those states, taking the jobs they provide with them. And it's not just about businesses. If people have to pay higher personal state taxes and fees than other states; if people have a higher cost of living for things like housing and food, they will move to where they can have a higher quality of life. California has decided, among other things that illegal aliens are entitled to free health care and other social benefits. There is even a plan to offer driver's licenses to those here illegally. Also, our governor has decided to balance the budget in this state by firing teachers and increasing class size but wants to spend $220M on new housing for death row inmates. It just makes no sense. Though perhaps if we keep cutting back on education, we'll need more jail cells..
"Want to stick it to the little guy with your money problems?"
What you are missing is that businesses hire and pay "the little guy". If businesses don't succeed, there are no jobs. Your desire to screw businesses actually hurts "the little guy" more. One last example. I don't run a large business. We are six executives running a company with about 100 people. If we decide to leave the state and move the company to Nevada, who do you think gets hurt? The majority of people are employed by small businesses. Everyday people who want to work for themselves and in the process grow and hire others. These small businesses are being hurt every bit as much, if not more, than large businesses. Ask any owner of a store front business.
My suggestion is that you give all this a lot of thought. I offer the old proverb: Beware of what you wish for, you may get it.
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| Re: Justification? The thing that seems quite onerous, is that most of the corporate and environmental "extremists" seem to come from CA.
CA is a state that saw huge benefits from the tech explosion in the 90's. Now that all of that is history and the "refugees" are coming out of the woodwork protesting everything.
New York is a prime example of what tax-and-spend liberalism will result in. It all looks great for a few years until it comes time to pay for it. Just in case you didn't know, NY falls last in about every imaginable "ranking" there is, and places first in every "high cost of living" survey.
As Cpr2k said, most "back-seat" business owners will never have a clue how bad the wrong governmental policies can hurt a business. I just love morons like the Kennedys telling me that I should be paying my waitresses $10/hr.
Just ask NYS how well the tax-and-spend system of govt works. Like all things in life, certain things aren't pretty, but trying to tax and regulate the "ugly" aspects of life away, simply isn't feasible.
This awesome concept of "regulation" by democrats is quite evident by my most recent natural gas bill. I now owe the gas co. $2000 FOR MY HOUSE! That's how well regulation works. | |
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cpr2k
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| Re: Justification? There is a great novel written regarding these issues that I would recommend to anyone interested. It's called Atlas Shrugged by Ayn Rand. She goes into great detail about what happens when an attempt is made by those who want the benefits of the productivity of those who actually produce valuable products and services. The thrust of the story is about what takes place when the productive say no, no more. Very educational and available at a book store near you.
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MacLeech
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| Re: Justification? said by SOLdesign :
I live in Cali and my system HAS NOT BEEN UPGRADED.
Correction: Not FINISHED upgrading. Its currently a work in progress for that area.
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SOLdesign
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Woodland Hills, CA | Re: Justification? really? thats odd, since when I asked John Peacock, he said we were not on the list to be upgraded in the next year. Do you have different info?
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| Adelphia's response.... said by L.A. Times article:
A spokesman for the company said Adelphia is trying to give the city more financial records.
"We've been working with the city and have provided a substantial amount of financial information in a short period of time," said Larry Windsor, Adelphia's regional director of governmental affairs. "And we're in the process of compiling additional information for them. We'd like to continue working with the city on this, and we're prepared to do so."
It could be some time before cable customers see a reduced bill, if ever. The City Council would need to pass an ordinance returning rates to last year's level. Adelphia could then file an appeal with the Federal Communications Commission.
L.A. Times has an article which includes Adelphia's response:
»www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me···89.story
This is in response to the original complaint that since Adelphia can't certify the financial information used to justify a rate increase, the City won't accept the rate increase. Its not about uncompleted upgrades.
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Buffalo, NY | Re: Adelphia's response.... Grep that article man and do a paste job. I don't have times privies  . Please
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| Re: Adelphia's response.... said by JacksGhost :
Grep that article man and do a paste job. I don't have times privies . Please
Jax
Here ya go... said by L.A. Times:
LOS ANGELES
L.A. Insists Adelphia Cut Rates, Reimburse
By Peter Nicholas
Times Staff Writer
May 2, 2003
City officials are demanding that Adelphia cable company cut its rates and return $5.5 million to about 200,000 Los Angeles cable TV subscribers, contending that the troubled company hasn't given assurances that last year's rate hikes were warranted.
In a joint news conference Thursday, Mayor James K. Hahn and City Atty. Rocky Delgadillo said they were beginning what could be a lengthy campaign to force Adelphia Communications Corp. to roll back basic cable rates as much as $2.02 per month and to repay the fees collected under an increase imposed last July in West L.A., Sherman Oaks, Eagle Rock and Van Nuys.
Hahn said the Pennsylvania-based company failed to certify, under penalty of perjury, the truth of financial statements submitted as justification for the rate hike. Without an accurate picture of the company's books — and in a climate in which the company has been tainted by financial scandal — the city cannot accept Adelphia's claims that it needed more subscriber fees, the mayor said.
"They couldn't find anyone in their company who wanted to certify their financial records," Hahn said. "I can understand that, since they've had problems with their accounting practices To protect the consumers of L.A., we have to know the information provided to us is accurate. If we can't certify it, we can't approve the rate increase."
The Coudersport, Pa., company filed for bankruptcy protection last June. Two executives, one in charge of the accounting department, have pleaded guilty to charges of securities fraud. Federal prosecutors have indicted the company founder, John J. Rigas, and two of his sons on charges that included looting company coffers.
A spokesman for the company said Adelphia is trying to give the city more financial records.
"We've been working with the city and have provided a substantial amount of financial information in a short period of time," said Larry Windsor, Adelphia's regional director of governmental affairs. "And we're in the process of compiling additional information for them. We'd like to continue working with the city on this, and we're prepared to do so."
It could be some time before cable customers see a reduced bill, if ever. The City Council would need to pass an ordinance returning rates to last year's level. Adelphia could then file an appeal with the Federal Communications Commission.
The city contends that it is owed nearly $4 million in franchise fees on top of the $5.5 million it says the company owes customers in the form of rebates.
Since the owned franchise fees are from before Adelphia declared bankruptcy, I'm pretty sure those fees are just locked up in court litigation. Not much Adelphia could do to speed that up...
Again for everybody reading this, realize that the only thing the City of Los Angeles can have rolled back and is asking Adelphia to roll back is the basic analog TV service rates. Not Digital TV services and not cable modem services rates.
So the question is: Did Adelphia do something (such as adding channels) to the Basic Analog TV service of the City of Los Angeles that justifies Basic Analog TV service rate increases of up to $2.00 per month since the last rate increase almost 5 years ago?
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