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mixdup
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2014-Jul-29 9:07 am
Good, but self-interestedThis is good, and they are right, but they are not some benevolent organization with their customers' best interests in mind. They recently also filed with the FCC supporting the NFL and opposing any efforts to eliminate TV blackout rules in relation to major league sports. | |
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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Jul-29 9:27 am
Re: Good, but self-interestedDon't you base things on self-interest? YOU don't like blackouts. Why? Because YOU can't watch YOUR team play. | |
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jmn1207
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2014-Jul-29 9:44 am
Re: Good, but self-interestedBlackout policies are typically only used to prevent competition for pay TV providers. I can't think of any legitimate purpose for them to exist today. That said, they serve as an anti-competitive tool, keeping someone from being able to purchase a competing service.
The MLB blackout push is similar to HBO and their reluctance to offer services outside of an overpriced pay TV provider. It's even worse in areas where the local teams are broadcast over regional sports stations that cannot be viewed OTA.
It is not as simple as being an issue about self-interest. This is anti-competitive behavior, and the artificial restrictions being imposed should not be legally allowed to keep tax-paying citizens from having options. Though, like many things, the entity with the bigger wallet dictates how the world spins. | |
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Re: Good, but self-interestedFortunately a good VPN or DNS service can make those blackouts a moot point. | |
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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Jul-29 10:35 am
Re: Good, but self-interestedsaid by bookertdub:Fortunately a good VPN or DNS service can make those blackouts a moot point. sneaking into a movie theater makes ticket prices a moot point. | |
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Re: Good, but self-interestedThink of it as civil disobedience ala Henry David Thoreau. | |
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Except its not sneaking into the movie theater. If you are faking yourself to be in Europe so you can use their EU based streaming and never suffer a blackout you are still buying a ticket to the movie. | |
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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Jul-29 1:31 pm
Re: Good, but self-interestedsaid by Kearnstd:Except its not sneaking into the movie theater. If you are faking yourself to be in Europe so you can use their EU based streaming and never suffer a blackout you are still buying a ticket to the movie. Ok how about this you are 12 and buy a PG movie ticket then sneak into a R rated movie. yes you bought a ticket but one you are not supposed to be in. Amazing the length people go through to justify illegal activities. | |
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Kearnstd
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2014-Jul-29 3:15 pm
Re: Good, but self-interestedThat is different and a bad comparison in fact its horrible. More accurate would be you pay your older brother to buy the ticket for you.
Again as long as MLB is getting paid no laws are being broken, Blackouts are not the law.
If you have a C-Band dish and pull the signal from a different bird you can watch the game at home, And that is not illegal. How is a VPN any different than getting a signal from a different bird with a big dish? | |
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2014-Jul-29 10:30 am
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MLB is being hypocritical here. They are among the worst abusers of paying thru the teeth to get access to their product. ISPs are just learning from the NFL and MLB on how to milk their fans. | |
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blackouts are supposed to get the locals to go to the game instead of watching it cheaper at home. | |
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Re: Good, but self-interestedDoes that actually work? If your team sucks so bad that the stadium is empty, you may consider catching a few minutes on TV and watching a couple commercials in the process but it is highly unlikely you will suddenly want to spend $$$ and head downtown, deal with parking, etc. just to see your team lose. | |
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Re: Good, but self-interestedbeats the heck out of me. I have a life. | |
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said by jmn1207: I can't think of any legitimate purpose for them to exist today. Me either but that's not the discussion. That said, they serve as an anti-competitive tool, keeping someone from being able to purchase a competing service. The MLB blackout push is similar to HBO and their reluctance to offer services outside of an overpriced pay TV provider. Not quite the same since MLB offer MLB.tv Blackout rules for MLB.tv apply the same of MLB extra innings or games on any other cable network. It is not as simple as being an issue about self-interest. Sure it is. Everything you do is self interest. You choose to do business with a company because it benefits YOU somehow. This is how humans work. | |
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Sure they are self interested but we should be nothing but pleased that they have the sense to have figured this out. The only businesses whose interests are served by fast lanes are the small number of companies who control broadband communications in the country. It isn't good for any of the other millions of businesses in the united states who do not control the infrastructure. If even a small fraction of them would have the sense to conclude what mlb has concluded then we could put an end to the shenanigans of these gatekeepers.
All fast lanes are going to do is start a bidding war to see who has the deepest pockets to get special treatment. | |
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Flyonthewall
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2014-Jul-29 10:40 am
As it was explained to me once..Blackouts occur because they didn't sell out the seats, or didn't meet the minimum sell point, and so don't broadcast the game to attempt to force people to go buy them. The fact that some of the people in the broadcast area may not be interested in driving for more than an hour, popping 30 bucks plus a ticket and then over priced concessions, apparently doesn't figure into the thought process for most sports groups. It's all about selling seats, and with tv in the mix, about charging maximum price for the broadcast to everyone.
You can either bend over and pay the rate, or decide to do something more productive with your hard earned cash. Let's face it, the guys playing the games aren't exactly busting their asses all year at a real job. | |
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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Jul-29 10:45 am
Re: As it was explained to me once..said by Flyonthewall :Blackouts occur because they didn't sell out the seats, or didn't meet the minimum sell point, and so don't broadcast the game to attempt to force people to go buy them. That's true in the NFL it's also true that very few blackout occur anymore. Especially since they lowered the threshold to 85%. Last year only 2 of 256 NFL games were blacked out. In MLB, NBA and the NHL if you are in the home market even away games are blacked out of the cable and online packages. | |
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Re: As it was explained to me once..Do fast lanes have any supporters outside of the ISPs ? | |
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78036364 (banned)
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2014-Jul-29 1:33 pm
Re: As it was explained to me once..said by kinda pissed:Do fast lanes have any supporters outside of the ISPs ? no | |
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Doubt it, who'd want to pay more for something they ought to be getting already? It sounds to me like they are creating a slow lane so they can create the fast lane. Magic slight of hand. | |
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2014-Jul-29 4:24 pm
PeeringDoes MLB have a peering agreement with any high-profile MSOs? Do any of the pro sports leagues? | |
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