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|  How about...
That seems reasonable, no?
EDIT: 100Mbps Up and Down, available at a reasonable price, to everyone in the state.
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yawn
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| Re: How about... said by sousademiami  :100Mbps by 2015? That seems reasonable, no? EDIT: 100Mbps Up and Down, available at a reasonable price, to everyone in the state. 1 Gbps speeds to be available throughout the state by 2015 | |
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sousademiami
join:2003-02-04
Miami, FL
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| Re: How about... said by qazwsx2 :said by sousademiami :100Mbps by 2015? That seems reasonable, no? EDIT: 100Mbps Up and Down, available at a reasonable price, to everyone in the state. 1 Gbps speeds to be available throughout the state by 2015 Maybe you missed the "How about..." I was not trying to reiterate the 1Gbps, I was suggesting that 100Mbps is more realistic.
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Weare, NH
clubs:  | Re: How about... 100mbps seems much more likely than 1gbps, at the rate isp's are upgrading infrastructure to support higher speeds. Props to Minnesota though for actually attempting to get something going. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
| Re: How about... Having a 1 gbps connection obviously means oversubscription, and you'll rarely be able to get that speed.
The internet is made of 10gigabit and 40 gigabit links. 10 users will kill a city. I guess speeds would hover around 60-300 mbit/s real life, and upto 700 mbit/s at night/off peak. | |
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| Re: How about... I think you are not thinking correctly there. 1gb connections wouldn't necessarily kill a city.. rather, people would be able to get on and off the internet MUCH quicker so the time one spends living on the line for their request to complete would be VERY short lived. | |
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join:2002-08-21
Hopewell Junction, NY
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| Re: How about... said by fiberguy :I think you are not thinking correctly there. 1gb connections wouldn't necessarily kill a city.. rather, people would be able to get on and off the internet MUCH quicker so the time one spends living on the line for their request to complete would be VERY short lived. and when joe sixpack leaves his peer to peer app open? | |
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| Re: How about... said by plat2on1 :said by fiberguy :I think you are not thinking correctly there. 1gb connections wouldn't necessarily kill a city.. rather, people would be able to get on and off the internet MUCH quicker so the time one spends living on the line for their request to complete would be VERY short lived. and when joe sixpack leaves his peer to peer app open? Maybe that will tell you why I am against residential people using last mile connections for servers.. they need to be in data centers where they belong. | |
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| said by fiberguy :I think you are not thinking correctly there. 1gb connections wouldn't necessarily kill a city.. rather, people would be able to get on and off the internet MUCH quicker so the time one spends living on the line for their request to complete would be VERY short lived. No! The more speed you have, the more stuff you will get. | |
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join:2008-02-06
San Diego, CA
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| Re: How about... While that is somewhat true IMO there is a limit to how much stuff people could collect on their hard drives lol. I'd pay 240 a month easy for a gigabit connection. 350 mabye lol. Paxio currently offers cap free gigabit connections for 200 a month atm I believe, may be a bit higher need to check again. If they have it why shouldn't the rest of the U.S also have it? | |
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| | | | | | | fiberguy
My views are my own.
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| said by SillyRabbit :said by fiberguy :I think you are not thinking correctly there. 1gb connections wouldn't necessarily kill a city.. rather, people would be able to get on and off the internet MUCH quicker so the time one spends living on the line for their request to complete would be VERY short lived. No! The more speed you have, the more stuff you will get. No.. not necessarily.. I've got 50 meg internet speeds and I still use the internet the same way. Not everyone on the internet will use more.. they will just get done faster. SOME will use more... to which, maybe the should google "obsession" and correct their problem. | |
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Willseyville, NY
| Re: How about... Sure, if you use the internet the same way, then you will not use more. That's quite the truism. But I'm sure we see places for where the internet can be used differently, from serving content from home (pics for family and friends), videoconferencing, SAAS (maybe even via ssh + X Forwarding at those speeds), real software rental via SoftGrid, video delivery a la iTunes, Joost, etc.
Your ISP will be able to bundle IPTV, and you'll be able to have realistic network HDs via CIFS, NFS, various propriatery stuff etc. Much bigger possibilities for Amazon S3 etc.
You could, of course, keep doing text e-mail, DSLR and a few other websites, but then, is it really *faster* over 50Mbit? At a certain point, all speed increases become "instant" for text transfer. That's speed is somewhere around 512Kbit for anything but books IMO.
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My views are my own.
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| I disagree. Comcast Twin Cities already offers a 50mb connection to the net. They should be able to offer more than double speeds in 7 years. The internet already has gone from 384kbps on average to about 8mb on average for download speeds. 1GB in 7 years MAY be a little tough for various reasons, the economic outlook being a big part of it.. but 500 meg? I think that's perfectly reasonable... and they can do it. They need to get off their collective butts and get a little more fiber in their diet or better use the resources they have. Cable could theoretically dramatically increase their speeds in 7 years with the lines they have... Qwest will have to do some massive upgrades as twisted copper isn't going to do it. | |
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| | willyjack
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Richmond, VA
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| said by qazwsx2 :said by sousademiami :100Mbps by 2015? That seems reasonable, no? EDIT: 100Mbps Up and Down, available at a reasonable price, to everyone in the state. 1 Gbps speeds to be available throughout the state by 2015 Don't stop there! I say 10 Gbps if they want to be REALLY competetive.  | |
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| | nasadude
join:2001-10-05
Rockville, MD
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| said by qazwsx2 :1 Gbps speeds to be available throughout the state by 2015 However, this goal relies on the participation of major service providers.
hahahahahahahahahahaha
funniest thing I've seen all day. I can see the major ISPs hitting 100Mbps (at a reasonable price) in a couple of years, then just staying there for the next several.
if the U.S. broadband market doesn't become competitive within 4 or 5 years, I don't see 1Gbps being widely available, at a reasonable price, until 2020 or later. | |
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BIGMIKE
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tshirt
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join:2004-07-11
Snohomish, WA
| said by sousademiami :100Mbps by 2015? That seems reasonable, no? EDIT: 100Mbps Up and Down, available at a reasonable price, to everyone in the state. Sounds more reasonable, depending on the definition of "everyone".
every cardboard box vs every residence, business, etc?
and who determines "reasonable price"? (is it a viable return for private business or only subsidized, approved concerns? | |
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jaa
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join:2000-06-13
New Canaan, CT | 100mbps seems like a good goal for 2010. 1gps for 2015 is reasonable. | |
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ninjatutle
You can keep the "change"
join:2006-01-02
San Ramon, CA | umm Will my 5400RPM laptop drive be able to handle this? | |
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sapo
Computer Love
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Sacramento, CA | Re: umm Maybe not your current one but your 2015 drive maybe. | |
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ninjatutle
You can keep the "change"
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San Ramon, CA | Re: umm Lets see, for the past 8 years, 7200rpm has still been the norm on desktop. 7200 for the mobile market has just started to take shape. | |
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sapo
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Sacramento, CA | Re: umm Your point? With necessity comes innovation. | |
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ninjatutle
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San Ramon, CA | Re: umm There aint going to be a huge leap in speed. | |
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sapo
Computer Love
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Sacramento, CA
| Re: umm said by ninjatutle :There aint going to be a huge leap in speed. I'm sorry, I forgot your an expert in everything. | |
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tshirt
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Snohomish, WA
| Re: umm said by sapo :said by ninjatutle :There aint going to be a huge leap in speed. I'm sorry, I forgot your an expert in everything. Actually he is right here, except for EXPENSIVE server drives, going above 7200 is cost prohibitive, expect density (bit per platter inch) to improve, but in the long run, fast mobile solutions will be SSD based.(flash or other) | |
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sapo
Computer Love
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Sacramento, CA
| Re: umm All I can say is, if there is a need, there will be someone supplying it. The actual technology powering it is irrelevant. If for some reason people needed to process 1 gbps to their laptops a solution would be made to accommodate that, 2015 is not tomorrow and it definitely isn't impossible. If there is no demand in the market for it then it won't happen, oh well, doesn't matter. | |
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tiger72
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Kansas City, MO
clubs: | Comcast and Qwest? ... over 10 years? HAHA how about 50 years for those two providers... | |
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join:2005-05-20 | Re: Comcast and Qwest? Well, being that Comcast has increased speeds from 384 to 50mb in 10 years, I'd say a 130X increase wasn't too bad.. | |
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sousademiami
join:2003-02-04
Miami, FL | Re: Comcast and Qwest? They haven't made it anywhere near 50Mbps here.
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| Re: Comcast and Qwest? said by sousademiami :They haven't made it anywhere near 50Mbps here. Yea, thanks for that update. Being that 50meg services are just starting to see the market, you're telling me the obvious why? The fact remains that 50mb has been hit which demonstrates where they came from and where they are at now. | |
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sousademiami
join:2003-02-04
Miami, FL | Re: Comcast and Qwest? Well since we're talking here about getting everyone in a state to a speed of 1Gbps, I'd say that isolated speeds of 50Mbps in certain areas really don't matter one G-- Damn bit.
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| Re: Comcast and Qwest? Since Comcast has THE largest foot print in the state with homes passed of about 1.5 million and a customer base of about more than half of that, I'd say it DOES matter one G-- damn bit.
You don't know of what you speak when it comes to the Minnesota market. Comcast covers the majority of the state's population. | |
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join:2003-02-04
Miami, FL | Re: Comcast and Qwest? I'm with Comcast too, do I have those speeds? No. So it appears you are the one missing something.
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tiger72
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Kansas City, MO
clubs: | When was 384kbps the fastest you could get with Comcast? | |
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ
| said by tiger72 :... over 10 years? HAHA how about 50 years for those two providers... Qwest is a joke. somehow i doubt this will *ever* be available in any of their areas
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dynodb
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join:2004-04-21
Minneapolis, MN
| And where's my flying car? While they're at it, can they form a task force to create a strategy to deliver flying cars that get 100 mpg? If it weren't for the greedy auto manufacturers and oil companies we'd have them in 8 years 
This quote is telling:
“The providers and some other folks say, ‘let’s make sure that the capacity follows the demand, rather than the other way around,’” said Kelley. Umm... yeah? Providing capacity for which there isn't a demand isn't a terribly profitable model. It doesn't take a whole lot of moral courage to make demands when someone else would actually have to spend the money to meet them.
As with cars, so goes broadband: Speed costs money- how fast do you want to go? Fast, cheap, reliable- pick two. | |
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Lazlow
join:2006-08-07
Saint Louis, MO
| MN is correct. I hope they stick to their guns on 1 Gbps. Investing in 100 is just short sighted. A lot of countries already have symmetrical 100 widely available. Most of the data centers I work with do not even bother putting in 1 Gbps systems but jump directly to 10 Gbps systems, they understand that they could get by with 1 today but in a relatively short period of time they will be hitting their heads again. 1 Gbps systems have been around long enough now that they are not at the high premium that the 10 Gbps systems are still at. | |
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join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL | Re: MN is correct. From one side of a building to the other side is one thing; a statewide infrastructure is another entirely. | |
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join:2006-09-18
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| Re: MN is correct. How is it any different, then say, the railroads? You do know the rail system in the US would never have been built without massive subsidies. Just tell them DO IT, offer them tax break if you have to, but FORCE THEM to comply.
It's the governments job to build the national infrastructure (see : highway system, railroads, electricity, phone). I fail to see how in the 21st century, the need for high speed internet for ALL doesn't qualify for the same breaks all those other 'technologies' got when they were first starting out. If comcast and quest DON'T want to do it, well then, just let a new company provide service for the entire state, and kick comcrap and qworst out. The states CAN do that you know.
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dvd536
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Phoenix, AZ | I can see it now 1gbps with a 40gb traffic cap. meh | |
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tubbynet
more voices, more choices
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Mesa, AZ
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| symbiotic action/response will be necessary for ANYthing... just because a task force is established doesn't mean anything will get done. gig links would be great, but given the heavy handed influence that corporations have over government, is a total pipe dream. 2015 is only seven years or time to lay infrastructure to a state that freezes over for at least a quarter of the year. given that DOCSIS 3.0 spec has just recently been talked about (and gear has only been approved in the past few months), who knows what specs/speeds will be standardized seven years in the future. currently, this is speed is only feasible through fiber offerings, and while it may seem simple for FTTN carriers to roll out "last mile" fiber, i just can't see the justification for gig speeds when not everyone wants (or can fully utilize) such speeds. everyone is asking for high-speed connections, but can you utilize that pipe to even 1/10th of the rated link speed? i have observed a general consensus that most people wanting slightly more symmetric line (10/5, 10/10, 20/20), why not lobby for something a little more attainable, especially when dealing with huge ILECs or MSOs that are unwilling to change (read: give up profit margin)?
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Smithfield, NC
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| Re: symbiotic action/response will be necessary for ANYthing... said by tubbynet :just because a task force is established doesn't mean anything will get done. Correct. The "task force" is a boondoggle, from one of the top boondoggling states.
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Collinsville, IL
clubs: | And ATT ..... ... will be stuck at 6Mb. Where's the fiber .... | |
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join:2007-02-19
Fredericksburg, TX | Re: And ATT ..... At 10 Mb of course, in the interest of uniformity across product lines. | |
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MN Broadband Task Force Debates 1 Gbps Speeds