MPAA: All ISPs Should Employ Piracy Filters Insists that AT&T is only the first... AT&T is the first ISP to announce voluntarily plans to put mechanisms in place that will filter pirated material from the company's network. The MPAA's Dan Glickman yesterday insisted that all ISPs will soon be following AT&T's lead, and that it's in their best interest to do so, particularly as they begin getting into the content game. From Ars Technica: Glickman also held out the hope that filtering technology would quickly be adopted by many more ISPs. "The ISP community is going to be at the forefront of this in the future because they have everything to lose and nothing to gain by not seeing that the content is being properly protected," he said, "and I think that's a great opportunity." As we've mentioned repeatedly, it's not a "great opportunity" for ISPs. Investors and execs won't like the added costs, customers won't like the restrictions on their p2p use, and it's likely that much of the technology won't work anyway. NBC has said they'd love to see filters not only employed at the ISP level, but also put into home networking gear.
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Every time I see a MPAA or RIAA post, I say to my self "Here we go again"
I got a group for the MPAA/RIAA its the "STFU" association.
I bet you they are trying to sue enough people, so they will have the money to buy the entire internet and shut if off. LOL 
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kudos:2 | Dumb Pipe Oh how I long for the days when an ISP was just that, an Internet Service Provider... | |
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Lake Arrowhead, CA | Re: Dumb Pipe Now ISP stands for Internet Service POLICE.
Welcome to the new level of hell.
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1 edit | How does this benefit most ISP's? Looks like more crap to slow down the network, give higher pings and customer complaint calls all leading to losing customers.
Does ATT get a break on UVERSE programming for this?
Does it get implemented to other ISP's leasing thier lines?
I thought DRM would be ok, till they put crap on my computer that I cant move, delete, or do anything without more DRM.
To hell with DRM, MPAA, and the RIAA.
DRM failed to stop pirates, yet we still have this useless bloat on our systems.
Filters will also fail, and the pirates will continue until they are arrested. These elaborate schemes of the RIAA and MPAA are pissing in the wind, KISS (keep it simple stupid)!
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| | | | | Re: Dumb Pipe said by gaforces:Filters will also fail, and the pirates will continue until they are arrested. These elaborate schemes of the RIAA and MPAA are pissing in the wind, KISS (keep it simple stupid)! But pirates are also exposing a new way of distributing content. The providers just don't want to listen. I'm sure any one of those companies could choose to put their money where their mouth is and out-compete pirates (without giving away their content or customer's rights). They need to accept that competing rather than trying to stop pirates is the better route and they also need to realize that they cannot stop ALL pirating. Not without creating police states all over the world (including the U.S.) and destroying everything we know about democracy.
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| | | | | | Re: Dumb Pipe Sadly, we're already pretty far down the road to "police state". It's just a matter of time before expressing an opinion is a capital crime, and nobody can argue without also being guilty. | |
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kudos:9 | said by gatorkram:Oh how I long for the days when an ISP was just that, an Internet Service Provider... This is one instance where we're happy to be called "Dumb". Unfortunately, in many parts of the country, there are not many independent ISP options, so consumers can get stuck with only the phone or cable company.
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1 edit | ever heard of encryption? Instead of these media companies fighting the inevitable, they should embrace it and work to put in place a system with fair payment. It's like fighting democracy, sure you can hold out for a very long time, but you just build resentment instead of loyalty. | |
| | | Wha? I can understand ISPs doing a CYA with this kind of stuff if they can do it cheaply, but home networking equipment? Drop dead, NBC. | |
| | | | Re: Wha? Exactly why I picked up a lifetime supply of refurbished WRT54GS's from Fry's. They have superior chips in them to what is available in any 802.11g routers today, and they are $40 each. Also very easy to upgrade with OpenWRT. Open them up, solder in a few pins, and you can manage/monitor them through the serial interface. $40 and a few hours of fun elbow grease gets you a very nice firewall/router, that you can keep control of. When 802.11g disappears, they will still be good wired home network equipment. I bought 8 of them, because they will control my network when they pry my cold dead fingers from my soldering iron. | |
| | | | | Re: Wha? serial interface? RS232? Holy days gone by, Batman. (copyright some effin company that probably wants to sue me now) | |
| | | | | | Re: Wha? Yes, no web server, gui, or even SSH server running on a firewall. I'm old, forgive my outdated methods. I actually tried to use these funny-looking green pieces of paper to purchase a new mouse the other day. Had to stand at the front of the line while 4 people passed me to go to the multiple "credit or debit only checkouts".  | |
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Houston, TX | Re: Wha? said by mikenolan7:I actually tried to use these funny-looking green pieces of paper to purchase a new mouse the other day. At one point in my life I thought that, because paper and coin currency was the legal tender of the United States, that it would be accepted as a form of payment everywhere in the US. I had that silly notion dispelled rather rudely one day when I tried to pay for a purchase - I don't remember what, or where - and was told they don't accept cash - I had to pay by credit card or take my business somewhere else. What!? I was shocked - naively so, it would seem.
But it's true - no merchant is required to accept payment in paper and coin currency. Go figure. | |
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Elbonia | Agreed, but ISPs can't do it cheaply, or probably very well at all. If mandated, it would be a bonanza for the purveyors of the filtering, and a constant burden for ISPs and their customers.
Would the ISP or the filter companies be liable for false positives? Would copyright owners whose works are infringed start suing for false negatives? How much would it slow internet access for the customers?
And at best, this would be trawling everyone's internet traffic for the benefit of the tiny minority of content owners who have the signatures or hashes or whatever of their movies or other files in the filters.
And pirates, being the clever jokers that they are, would merely bypass it with encryption.
Asking the world to stop to protect their narrow business interests is a desperate move on the part of a dying middle-man industry. Creativity will go on just fine, but these companies staked their fortunes on keeping the customers captive and lost. | |
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united state | said by footballdude:I can understand ISPs doing a CYA with this kind of stuff if they can do it cheaply, but home networking equipment? Drop dead, NBC. There isn't even a need for a CYA type of deal. Thats covered in the DMCA.
Any ISP implementing this sort of thing is getting direct kickbacks from the industry, it does not benefit them whatsoever
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Houston, TX | The 2 biggest ISPs are doing it... Well i can only get comcast or ATT and comcast is already done something about it and now ATT... WTF..?
i guess i ll have to see what else is out there... Or just wait for the Piratebay protocol....
Why are the F'ing ISPs doing something like this...? They dont gain or loose anything(maybe bandwidth).
If i am going to pay for an internet connection i want to be able to anything i want and it is up to me to decide wether it is legal or not, good or bad and me being responsible for what i do.. | |
| | | | Re: The 2 biggest ISPs are doing it... What did comcast do to block pirated content? | |
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Houston, TX | Re: The 2 biggest ISPs are doing it... they disrupted p2p traffic... ITs been all over the internet. | |
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1 edit |  Explanation of video identification technology
»vobileinc.com/videodna.htm
The VideoDNA™ representation stays almost invariant for the same video content, independent of video resolution, aspect ratio, encoding bit-rate, frame rate, or file format.
The VideoDNA™ representation is distinctly different for different video content, resulting a near-zero false positive rate.
Each individual video frame has its own VideoDNA™ segment, making it possible to identify a video clip or sub-clip of any length.
More details on how this is implemented:
»vobileinc.com/solution1.htm
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1 edit | Re: Explanation of video identification technology And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this?
Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. | |
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kudos:5 | Re: Explanation of video identification technology said by DotMac4:And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this? Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. This post makes a good point about encryption:
"More likely: companies selling VPN, or "virtual private network" services, like Relakks, VPNOut, and VPNTunnel, will see a boost to their business."
I don't understand the rational behind this claim. People pirate because they don't want to, or can't, pay money. I suspect all but the most fanatical will purchase content before they subscribe to some kind of elaborate bottleneck VPN service. People are like water, they choose the path of least resistance. I think it's a stretch that the big 14-25 year old group responsible for most pirated content will have their parents set up a VPN so they can pirate in peace.
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Huntington Beach, CA | Re: Explanation of video identification technology That's true for VPN, but not clientware that features encryption (eg BT clients or newsreader clients).
I would guess that P2P and usenet is how must video piracy happens on the internet and both can be easily configured for encrypted transport. | |
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1 edit | said by Linklist:said by DotMac4:And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this? Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. This post makes a good point about encryption: "More likely: companies selling VPN, or "virtual private network" services, like Relakks, VPNOut, and VPNTunnel, will see a boost to their business."
I don't understand the rational behind this claim. People pirate because they don't want to, or can't, pay money. I suspect all but the most fanatical will purchase content before they subscribe to some kind of elaborate bottleneck VPN service. People are like water, they choose the path of least resistance. I think it's a stretch that the big 14-25 year old group responsible for most pirated content will have their parents set up a VPN so they can pirate in peace.
Huh? I don't know about you, but most of the 14-25 year olds i've encountered are more then capable of setting up a cheap VPN service without their parents help...in fact in most cases the parents would be the ones needing help getting such a thing setup
Also as another user said, if the data is encrypted on transport there is nothing Video DNA can do to stop piracy, to identify a frame of data it first has to see the decrypted data...which it won't.
This is another pointless plan by the industry, all they will do is force everybody to use encrypted links, increase overhead traffic, and ensure that they have no idea what it going on.
Then lets wait for the lobbyists to demand that ISP's must revoke all traffic that is encrypted since it prevents the goverment and corporations from finding out what users are doing.
This is the reason I left the ISP industry, there are too many hands in too many pots and the administrators of the network are the LAST ones to have any say about what goes on | |
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Dunnellon, FL | Re: Explanation of video identification technology Three words:
Hamachi.
VPN on the cheap, no wait - free. Made for P2P and completely indistinguishable from other network traffic. My paranoid IT services staff cannot break it and they keep asking questions about it. Let them wonder....it's been a fun two years using it to obfuscate even my nerdy experts.
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kudos:4 | said by DotMac4:And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this? Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. nope!
the isp will just throttle all encrypted packets.
in the end the little guy loses[as always]
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1 edit | Re: Explanation of video identification technology Sure, that is what I'm saying.
They can't stop or detect just copyrighted content. They can only slow it by slowing all similar transport which will certainly piss off legit users like, pretty much every telecommuter. | |
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Alexandria, VA | said by dvd536:said by DotMac4:And wouldn't simply using encrypted transport or at worst encrypting the file easily circumvent this? Doesn't seem useful at all to prevent piracy. nope! the isp will just throttle all encrypted packets. in the end the little guy loses[as always] Sure, go ahead. That means you eliminate all subscribers that need to telecommute. These days, that's a non-trivial amount of people in major markets.
That also eliminates online commerce. Go ahead and throttle that.
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| | | | | | | Re: Explanation of video identification technology Or we just start shaping our own packets to look like legit unencrypted data and the throttling is thwarted again.
This cat and mouse crap has to stop. The internet is a global resurce and we need to stop messing with it.
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Alexandria, VA | Re: Explanation of video identification technology said by BosstonesOwn:Or we just start shaping our own packets to look like legit unencrypted data and the throttling is thwarted again. This cat and mouse crap has to stop. The internet is a global resurce and we need to stop messing with it. The problem with any "anti-" technology is that it's always going to be purely reactive. You're never going to have a definitive method of stopping something (maybe short of exterminating humanity). The moment you slow or stop something, people will come up with a workaround. Hell, that was the fundamental premise upon which the Internet's progenitor was designed upon.
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| | | | | | | | | Re: Explanation of video identification technology I agree , funny is it not ? | |
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Still, my question remains:
If people don't have the money to buy something, does the company lose money? Because I don't buy hip-hop albums, does the company that produces the music lose money? If suddenly I start to like hip-hop music and download it, do they lose money? If I play the song for a friend who then goes out and buys it, do they not make money?
This whole battle against pirating stikes me as so much tilting at windmills.
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1 edit | Another tool coming out :
»news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20071205/wr_···ice_dc_2
Nielsen is unveiling a new service aimed at ensuring that video distributed on the Internet is done only in ways sanctioned by its owners, the Wall Street Journal said in its online edition.
The service -- which Nielsen is hoping to offer to media companies such as General Electric Co's NBC Universal, or the Discovery Channel -- could be announced as early as Wednesday, the Journal said.
Privately held information and media company Nielsen has already approached Google Inc and News Corp's Fox about the new service, the Journal said.
The service, called Digital Media Manager, will be available in the spring, the Journal said.
Digimarc Corp is its partner in the venture, the Journal added.
Nielsen representatives could not immediately be reached for comment. Here is a press release from Digimarc about the tool:
»www.digimarc.com/media/release.a···wsID=610
And more info:
»www.digimarc.com/comm/nielsen.asp
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Valencia, CA | ISP level is bad enough... But at the home network gear level ?
Big brother will surely be watching.
I suspect that in a short time, the MPAA, RIAA, government and external companies will have full access to all of your gear LEGALLY, and the Internet will become a fully controlled/monitored/proxied commercial resource full of ad sponsored useless spam... its not far from that now.
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4 edits | What Big Business thinks of us Americans I cant buddy up on the side of Big Business on these issues when I read articles like this.. They tell us that we need to be concerned about the jobs they create(and loose because of piracy) and the hurt to the economy and the american worker wile in the background there doing this.
December 4, 2007
The Shortage Myth
The Lies at the End of the American Dream
By PAUL CRAIG ROBERTS
Last June a revealing marketing video from the law firm, Cohen & Grigsby appeared on the Internet. The video demonstrated the law firm's techniques for getting around US law governing work visas in order to enable corporate clients to replace their American employees with foreigners who work for less. The law firm's marketing manager, Lawrence Lebowitz, is upfront with interested clients: "our goal is clearly not to find a qualified and interested US worker."
If an American somehow survives the weeding out process, "have the manager of that specific position step in and go through the whole process to find a legal basis to disqualify them for this position--in most cases there doesn't seem to be a problem."
No problem for the employer he means, only for the expensively educated American university graduate who is displaced by a foreigner imported on a work visa justified by a nonexistent shortage of trained and qualified Americans.
University of California computer science professor Norm Matloff, who watches this issue closely, said that Cohen & Grigsby's practices are the standard ones used by hordes of attorneys, who are cleaning up by putting Americans out of work.
The Cohen & Grigsby video was a short-term sensation as it undermined the business propaganda that no American employee was being displaced by foreigners on H-1b or L-1 work visas. Soon, however, business organizations and their shills were back in gear lying to Congress and the public about the amazing shortage of qualified Americans for literally every technical and professional occupation, especially IT and software engineering.
Everywhere we hear the same droning lie from business interests that there are not enough American engineers and scientists. For mysterious reasons Americans prefer to be waitresses and bartenders, hospital orderlies, and retail clerks.
As one of the few who writes about this short-sighted policy of American managers endeavoring to maximize their "performance bonuses," I receive much feedback from affected Americans. Many responses come from recent university graduates such as the one who "graduated nearly at the top of my class in 2002" with degrees in both electrical and computer engineering and who "hasn't been able to find a job."
A college roommate of a family member graduated from a good engineering school last year with a degree in software engineering. He had one job interview. Jobless, he is back at home living with his parents and burdened with student loans that bought an education that offshoring and work visas have made useless to Americans.
The hundreds of individual cases that have been brought to my attention are dismissed as "anecdotal" by my fellow economists. So little do they know. I also receive numerous responses from American engineers and IT workers who have managed to hold on to jobs or to find new ones after long intervals when they have been displaced by foreign hires. Their descriptions of their work environments are fascinating.
For example, Dayton, Ohio, was once home to numerous American engineers. Today, writes one surviving American, "I feel like an alien in my own country--as if Dayton had been colonized by India. NCR and other local employers have either offshored most of their IT work or rely heavily on Indian guest workers. The IT department of National City Bank across the street from LexisNexis is entirely Indian. The nearby apartment complexes house large numbers of Indian guest workers filling the engineering needs of many area businesses."
I have learned that Reed Elsevier, which owns LexisNexis, has hired a new Indian vice president for offshoring and that now the jobs of the Indian guest workers may be on the verge of being offshored to another country. The relentless drive for cheap labor now threatens the foreign guest workers who displaced America's own engineers.
One software engineer wrote to me protesting the ignorance of Thomas Friedman for creating a false picture of American engineers being outdated and for "denouncing American engineers and other workers as 'xenophobes' for opposing their displacement by foreign guest workers." The engineer also took exception to the "willful ignorance or cynicism of Bruce Bartlett and George Will" who he described as "bootlicks for pro-outsourcing lobbies."
On November 6, 2006, Michael S. Teitelbaum, vice president of the Alfred P. Sloan Foundation, explained to a subcommittee of the House Committee on Science and Technology the difference between the conventional or false portrait that there is a shortage of US scientists and engineers and the reality on the ground, which is that offshoring, foreign guest workers, and educational subsidies have produced a surplus of US engineers and scientists that leaves many facing unstable and failed careers.
As two examples of the false portrait, Teitelbaum cited the 2005 report, Tapping America's Potential, led by the Business Roundtable and signed onto by 14 other business associations, and the 2006 National Academies report, Rising Above the Gathering Storm, "which was the basis for substantial parts of what eventually evolved into the American COMPETES Act."
Teitelbaum posed the question to the US Representatives: "Why do you continue to hear energetic re-assertions of the Conventional Portrait of 'shortages,' shortfalls, failures of K-12 science and math teaching, declining interest among US students, and the necessity of importing more foreign scientists and engineers?"
Teitelbaum's answer: "In my judgment, what you are hearing is simply the expressions of interests by interest groups and their lobbyists. This phenomenon is, of course, very familiar to everyone on the Hill. Interest groups that are well organized and funded have the capacity to make their claims heard by you, either directly or via echoes in the mass press. Meanwhile those who are not well-organized and funded can express their views, but only as individuals."
Among the interest groups that benefit from the false portrait are universities, which gain graduate student enrollments and inexpensive postdocs to conduct funded lab research. Employers gain larger profits from lower paid scientists and engineers, and immigration lawyers gain fees by leading employers around the work visa rules.
Using the biomedical research sector as an example, Teitelbaum explained to the congressmen how research funding creates an oversupply of scientists that requires ever larger funding to keep employed. Teitelbaum made it clear that it is nonsensical to simultaneously increase the supply of American scientists while forestalling their employment with a shortage myth that is used to import foreigners on work visas.
Teitelbaum recommends that American students considering majors in science and engineering first investigate the career prospects of recent graduates.
Integrity is so lacking in America that the shortage myth serves the interests of universities, funding agencies, employers, and immigration attorneys at the expense of American students who naively pursue professions in which their prospects are dim. Initially it was blue-collar factory workers who were abandoned by US corporations and politicians. Now it is white-collar employees and Americans trained in science and technology. Princeton University economist Alan Blinder estimates that there are 30 to 40 million American high end service jobs that ultimately face offshoring.
As I predict, and as BLS payroll jobs data indicate, in 20 years the US will have a third world work force engaged in domestic nontradable services.
Paul Craig Roberts was Assistant Secretary of the Treasury in the Reagan administration. He was Associate Editor of the Wall Street Journal editorial page and Contributing Editor of National Review. He is coauthor of The Tyranny of Good Intentions.He can be reached at: PaulCraigRoberts@yahoo.com | |
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kudos:2 | Stop freaking out!! I read those links and do any of you, at all, understand how the technology works and its limitation? From what I can see here, only sequential, plain text protocols can be tracked. What this basically means is sites like Youtube could possibly apply these filters, or ISPs can to filter sites such as Youtube. It may also filter plain ftp/http downloads of, say, an AVI file. Ways abound around that, if you use these protocols.
However, I can see unencrypted BitTorrent being unaffected, as well as Usenet and most intelligent ftp sites. Usenet and most ftp sites use rars. It would take massive memory, CPU cycles, and disk space for it to filter multirars, if it's even remotely possible(these rars would all have to come down to see any length of video). BitTorrent sends nonsequential pieces that often are too small to even do a few full frames of an XViD compressed AVI. Basically, this technology is useless, except maybe to protect Youtube from any more liability and some other video sites.
If you like pirated Youtube videos before they get deleted, or want an http downloaded AVI, there are encrypted ssh, http, and ssl tunnels that work extremely well for these things, unlike torrents. One that I use to get by RR's crappy routing(by using a server I route ok to, then relying on its ISP's routing) gives me my full connection speed. | |
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| Who gives a crap.... It's their network and they can read every bit you send/receive if they wanted too. But seriously, don't steal and it won't effect you.
As usual, it's the honest joe's that pay the price of the dishonest. | |
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Fort Worth, TX | Re: Who gives a crap.... said by JasonD :
It's their network and they can read every bit you send/receive if they wanted too. But seriously, don't steal and it won't effect you.
As usual, it's the honest joe's that pay the price of the dishonest.
Yeah, $20 for a DVD movie or $17 for a music CD isn't stealing. | |
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united state | Re: Who gives a crap.... said by Lorne8:said by JasonD :
It's their network and they can read every bit you send/receive if they wanted too. But seriously, don't steal and it won't effect you.
As usual, it's the honest joe's that pay the price of the dishonest.
Yeah, $20 for a DVD movie or $17 for a music CD isn't stealing. I take it your being sarcastic here...if that is indeed the case then you sir are part of the problem.
You think $20 bucks for a DVD is too much? Don't buy the DVD...don't download it either.
The reason the prices are what they are is simply because people continue to pay it, therefore validating the item is worth that much.
Don't think for a moment it's not theft if your downloading DVD's, etc...it is. You can justify it however you want, but the item your stealing has a set market "worth" established by those buying it in the legitimate marketplace
Don't get me wrong...I download plenty, but I don't for a minute fool myself into thinking its anything but theft | |
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Midlothian, VA | said by JasonD :
It's their network and they can read every bit you send/receive if they wanted too. But seriously, don't steal and it won't effect you.
As usual, it's the honest joe's that pay the price of the dishonest.
Actually many an Honest Joe get caught cause they don't know any better or made and honest mistake.
These types of tools will hinder Honest Joe's ability to sent honest content because they are notoriously inaccurate. | |
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| Ah, yes, it's their network.. Paid for by federal subsidies, USF and other taxes disguised as "federal fees", tax exemptions, and free use of rights-of-way.
Yes, "their network". Paid for by us, whether you were a customer or not.
As much as you pat-self-on-back "honest joes" want to simplify this argument down to "ITS STEALING, HURF DURF!" it's just not that simple. | |
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Lorne8Premium
join:2002-02-10
Fort Worth, TX | Hugh? Even if this could penetrate through encrypted Usnet service and multi-part rars, what's to say that as little as a 1% compression on a pirated DVD wouldn't throw off VideoDNA.
This whole thing sounds like a big smoke and mirror job to me. | |
|  powerhogStinkin' up the jointPremium
join:2000-12-14
Owasso, OK | Slippery slope I would think the ISP lawyers would balk at implementing any kind of "policeware" as it would likely open them (the ISP) to any number of potential lawsuits for not policing other traffic. Afterall, if they are capable of filtering illegal movies, why can't they filter other illegal and harmful content? It's a slippery slope and we (the consumers) are bound to pay the price for the fool who tries to walk that slope. | |
| | | BooYah.. Aw... filter this! | |
|  sporkmedrop the crantini and move it, sisterPremium,MVM
join:2000-07-01
Morristown, NJ
 ·Optimum Online
| How many levels of stupid do you want?
encrypted files = not sniffable |
First, see above screenshot - if my random Mac BT client supports encryption, I'm going to assume that all the popular windows versions will as well. BT 1, MPAA 0.
Second, this will help spur net neutrality legislation. As most people on this technology-oriented site should know, no technology is perfect, especially when a salesman touts it as such. There will be false positives which will drive up support costs for ISPs dumb enough to implement this. Then there are also legitimate uses. Fair Use is still in effect, and if I'm editing video for someone and the clip I need to insert gets "filtered" as I'm ftp-ing it from a client's server, I'm going to be pissed. There are plenty of legitimate uses that will be thwarted by this if it's implemented on a large scale.
Third, common carrier status has helped ISPs remain a "dumb pipe" that's not liable for what's transmitted over that pipe. The main reason this has remained that way through the years is that ISPs generally do not filter traffic based on content (BT throttling is not looking at what's in the stream-that can be written off as network management). Once ISPs start peeking inside packets they risk being liable for any traffic on their network. That's a slippery slope for them.
Fourth, file sharing has been and will always be a cat and mouse game. ISPs will sink a huge amount of money into something that will be thwarted shortly after it's installed.
Fifth, the "free marketers" (hi TCH), should be opposed to this - they don't want a nanny state and this is just another version of the nanny state brought to you by one powerful lobbying entity. The MPAA will push for legislation to require this junk. Should the government be forcing ISPs to pay for all this extra crap? Not in a free market they shouldn't...
Now look at the list above and tell me that this won't raise prices - it's like a tax, but you're lining the pockets of the MPAA members and the manufacturers of this electronic snakeoil.
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| | | Blowback Awaits Just b/c the Deathstar has happily bent over and spread their cheeks wide for the **AAs big, fat filter, doesn't mean all ISPs will. There's absolutely nothing in it for them since providers are already protected by "safe harbor" provisions. | |
|  jgkoltPremium
join:2004-02-21
Lakewood, OH | well If they start to filter content and miss something then they are now liable. end of story. how much more liability does the isp want to have?
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| Phatty
join:2000-05-10
Valley Park, MO | Damn Actions and statements like that make me wish I would have been boycotting the MPAA as I have been for the RIAA for some time now. (can't even remember last CD I bought)... The problem is now that my local theater finally upgraded to Digital projection I actually enjoy going to the movies again. And with HD DVD's looking so good I sometimes can't help but to buy a movie... The RIAA on the other hand I have had minimal issues boycotting and don't really care for the majority of the things they have to offer.
I have cut down on, and sold many of my movies though but I still occasionally pick one up. It is amazing how afraid of new technology(not even new anymore really) the xxAA's are.
Burn in hell xxAA's
-Phatty | |
| | tcp1Premium
join:2000-04-17
Herndon, VA Reviews:
·Verizon FiOS
| Re: Damn Ok, see, that's the problem. First, boycotts don't do a damn. Write your senators, tell people you know about this.
Second, disliking what they do doesn't mean you cant buy HD-DVDs. I have trouble rationalizing CDs, though. As bad as they may be, the MPAA is actually a bit ahead of the game than the RIAA when it comes to the whole 'digital' thing.. Funny, when you consider the RIAA has been dealing with it longer.
Just shows how antequated the RIAA is, really. | |
| | | Phatty
join:2000-05-10
Valley Park, MO | Re: Damn I agree the boycotting doesn't do much... If anything the **AA's use it as ammo saying sales are down xy amount and the only one cause for said loss is theft..... But at same time voting with my wallet seems like the the only big thing I can do as I have never seen a response from one my government officials that makes it seem like they give a damn. I haven't written them much, but in my few dealings if I have sent a letter the response if fairly generic and just a quick response of why they support the opposite of my view the end..
-Phatty | |
| | | | | said by tcp1:Ok, see, that's the problem. First, boycotts don't do a damn. Write your senators, tell people you know about this. That doesn't do a damn thing either. They're bought and paid for. | |
| | |  JigsawStardust We ArePremium
join:2000-10-21
Cleveland, OH | I go here to see if band i like are linked to the riaa.
»www.riaaradar.com/
does a good job of saying who is who and most of the stuff i get is from indi Labels and they hate the riaa as much as most people do.
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| | | | wolfoxGentle Wolfox
join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL | Re: Damn I fish around p2p first and download interesting movies/music. If it's crap, it's deleted. If I like, I go buy a store perfect and legitimate copy. But - only at pawn shops or used disc retailers.  Totally cut the RIAA/MPAA out of the picture as much as possible on my behalf. Remember, every new and gotta have release always eventually ends up in the bargain bin at the local guns-n-goodies shop. While you're there, stock up on ammo to fight off the XXAA's when their goons show up. Like most cowards they'll back off when your rifle's bigger than theirs.
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| | Internet Has Offically Went Gov. Owned. Welp, this is the Govs. first step to getting their paws into the cookie jar. Getting to the point where public has no rights, and no way of counter acting.
We all knew this would happen one day.
The way this technology from my understanding is that AT&T will filter out streams we download via uverse so in theroy we can pirate the content we receive from them. Is that correct?
I never did get this whole MPAA // RIAA thing. Most of the music and movies on the internet is done crappy in the first place. It's usually not in its original format anyway.
I never did what the big fuss is about it. The industry should be happy that some of this content is released onto the internet.
If I like something I buy it. But I don't buy crap. I have tons of DVD and Blue-Ray movies I have bought.
Same goes for games. If you download whatever content and you like it, buy it.
The gov. wont be happy until they control some if not all of the internet. Shit man, we might as well turn into Germany and allow the gov. to become nazi's and bush and all the big companies ceo's become hitler.
When is it going to end? Until the end of days? Soon big brother will watch us take a shit, or hey, even having sex.
Wow....
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| | ATT is over sold and this is a grate way to ... Keep costs down its as simple as that | |
| | wolfoxGentle Wolfox
join:2002-11-27
Dunnellon, FL | Re: ATT is over sold and this is a grate way to ... said by NoOneButMe:Keep costs down its as simple as that Hardly. I get my rated speed and sometimes faster *ALL* the time on my AT&T provisioned line. However if they start throttling me? I already have the clue needed to break their new toy. And as for switching to another ISP some would argue; not possible. AT&T is the back-haul provider for ALL local ISPs in my area, from cable to the 3rd party high-frequency only providers and Fixed Wi-Fi. No matter where you go, you're under the gun.
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