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And dont forget, pirating movies hurts farmers! PEople are less likely to buy popcorn.
Indeed, down here in middle Illinois the corn harvesting has been going on in ernest! | |
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kudos:11 | Re: Catch 22? ...and chain restaurants located in or near movie theater parking lots! No people in the theater means less people in the restaurant means possible loss of the franchise!
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muggers, and other miscreants of the evening that prey on movie goers what are they going to do.
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kudos:1 | Re: Catch 22? And think of all the countless internet forum posters who would have nothing to talk about! The horror!  | |
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kudos:4 | Re: Catch 22? said by rcdailey:said by Joe12345678:the corn is going to fuel now days and not to $5 small popcorn That's also a reason for the increased price of corn tortillas. Everything directly or indirectly using corn is UP in price. corn is why that overpriced swill you get at starbucks went up a few pennies a few months ago(milk(cows are cornfed))
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| | | | | | You all ought to be ashamed of yourselves picking on "The Industry"! They say they lose $18B to piracy annually, and you people are all expressing doubt about the validity of that amount. They are obviously using the same calculator that the judge used who sentenced Jammie Thomas to a $220,000.00 fine for 24 songs! Now, that'll knock ya drawz off!
Ai Yai YAI! MAN! Talk about your creative accounting practices! Whatcha wanna bet they don't use that same calculator when they pay their grunt level employees their weekly wages or when they calculate royalties for the actual owners of those songs!
I would honestly like to know what the deal is with all of this...I expect that many of you know, though. I wonder about these things, among others:
I fully understand that the RIAA is supplying the legal and admin fees here, so I do realize that a significant part of any settlements or judgments should go to their coffers to cover that. However, 100% of their financing comes from the artists, anyway. The RIAA definitely performs a needed service to their membership, considering how hard it would be for any individual artist to quantify and collect his royalties. But, can an artist sue on his own? If so, must he "opt out" of being represented by the RIAA for damages due to copyright infringement? Basically, I am wondering what would happen here if, oh, say, maybe Celine Dion (for purposes of example) decided to sue end-user "pirates" on these same grounds. It's quite obviously not at all practical for her to sue all these John Does, and it would produce far more cost than dividend, far more legal bills than award checks, of that I feel sure. Now, if the US District Court Judge hearing the matter would allow unlimited consolidation of defendants in a suit, then that may be something for a plaintiff to work with in the way of (the "plaintiff" here could be the actual aggrieved artist or owner of the work, or the RIAA, I imagine). In other words, if the Courts would allow listing infinite defendants together, then the legal work would be GREATLY reduced. I would think that ISP records would be sufficient evidence to hold any defendant to the suit, at least for a while, and that would furnish the plaintiff both the carrot AND the stick ("Dear Mr. Doe, Attached please find a Petition for Damages with your name on it, as well as a settlement offer in that matter. Either pay us a couple grand now or hire counsel and we'll see you in court" kinda thing.)
A significantly higher percentage of defendants would surely settle, especially after word gets out as to the damages awarded in the Thomas, and maybe future, cases. Even more word would spread when a half dozen people on up from every county in the US were served. THAT'S what I would think they would be wanting to do, but there are evidently problems inherent in this, maybe like leaving themselves open to counter suits for mistakes made in accusing these defendants, and they want to lose neither money nor fear...the plaintiff being successfully counter-sued would REALLY nail them good!! Like I said, there are surely reasons that this isn't being done, least of all of which may not be the simple fact that the Court will not allow this type of "blanket" consolidation of cases. The facts are surely very similar, but I think that many DO and MAY have enough basic differences to preclude this sort of consolidation.
I think I answered my own question here, because if they are NOT doing this it's simply because there are inherent problems that could be exploited to turn this right back around on the plaintiff, and if this sorta thing took place, it would be all that several lawyers could do to very ROUGHLY gather up defendants!
I would like to know just how much the 24 artists will DIRECTLY receive from any award collected by the RIAA from this Jammie Thomas. I would also like to know what the RIAA takes in for "operating, admin, and other costs", an also where it all goes...how much do the bigwigs in the RIAA make? You can bet that high upper management is making an ungodly, indefensible sum of money...and that shows a little clearer just who it is that is REALLY profiteering from all the work of these artists!!
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kudos:3 | The only problem is, if the lawsuit is indeed sucessful, the site may be required to hand over it's server logs as to who's visiting the place. Granted it's nothing super-specific, but I'd imagine they'd pick up folks' IP addresses. | |
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| Re: Catch 22? said by jsouth:So what? Just visiting a site is not illegal, unless it is a child porn site. It just depends on how much of records the MPAA might get from their servers. If it's just IP addresses, then no biggy. However, if they're able to track down files accessed, IPs, etc. (ie. the full kabang), they'd know who downloaded what and when.
...course, having records indicating that you downloaded X bootleg files isn't 100% proof of anything - but seeing as how you'd be in a civil court, they just need to prove a case to 50%+ of the jury. | |
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Sherwood, MI | They might call it "conspiracy to commit copyright infringement" if you just visit the website. | |
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| | | Hmmm maybe we should look at this a different way?
Will all the BullSh*t that MPAA is putting out. Is that not helping Global Warming with all the green house gases that get emitted from BullSh*t!!!! | |
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Beaverton, OR | Fruitless The MPAA/RIAA have been filing lawsuits for over 5 years against ISPs, file traders, and others.
So what dent in P2P has it made? It certainly hasn't decreased it by any significant number. In fact, IIRC there have been studies & articles that said P2P use has actually gone up due to the MPAA/RIAA lawsuits giving it publicity.
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They claim that the industry lost over $18 billion to piracy in 2005
Once again those numbers probably are pulled out of somebody's @$$ and not based in reality. A potential sale is not an actual sale. | |
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kudos:1 | said by KeepOnRockin:. quote:
They claim that the industry lost over $18 billion to piracy in 2005
Once again those numbers probably are pulled out of somebody's @$$ and not based in reality. A potential sale is not an actual sale. No, those figures are probably fairly accurate. What has a high probability of being wrong is the source of the loss. I go to the movies a lot less than I did 20 years ago because frankly, most of what is on the big screen sucks. But because the MPAA and the heads of the studios do not want to give what most people want and instead push what fits their agendas, they have a loss. And of course it is easy to inflate the 'piracy' numbers to cover the loss from the poor management.
Plus the advent of the various cable and satellite feeds means folks stay home and watch the older shows instead of going and paying exorbitant fees in a lousy environment for what is generally poor material.
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Hialeah, FL | Uhh..... Perhaps it's the $10.50 entrance cost combined with another $30 for a hotdog, popcorn, and a drink?? I know, that has NOTHING to do with turning people away.
Second the last movie I saw in the Theater was Transformers and before that Fantastic Four, and before that was Spiderman 3. So all the crap "filler" movies I don't watch. Maybe on PPV but otherwise it's pirate or nothing. So they lose NOTHING b/c if I couldn't get the movie free, i would just say "@#%#% it" and watch it when it gets to standard cable (FX, USA, TMC, etc)
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| | Opps they did it again I didn't know about the sites till now. | |
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| | Thank you MPAA! Before you publicized them, I didn't know about these two cool sites. Thanks to you, I do now!
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| | | Re: Thank you MPAA! Does the MPAA/RIAA report these stories to the media or does the media find out about them on their own? If the MPPA/RIAA reports then on their own in order to show, "Look what we're doing!" than they are stupider than I thought.
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| | Lies.. kid,, my rock will destroy your Khushnood Butt!! :P
anyway on to my 2 cents... I only go to theaters for the most see movies. The good Movies. I would DL or stream a movie that I really wouldn't pay to see in the first place. If I really enjoyed the movie I may by the DVD. Also with games sure Ill dl a game but if I like it I go and buy it, same with music. I am sure many people do the same like me. so this 18 Billion they lost due to Piracy, ya right... | |
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1 edit | MPAA Fights Piracy with more Lawsuits If AT&T will start blocking traffic and turn information to MPAA and RIAA they can kiss my ass good bye. | |
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| Re: MPAA Fights Piracy with more Lawsuits said by Oleg:If AT&T will start blocking traffic and turn information to MPAA and RIAA they can kiss my ass good bye. AT&T said that they are exploring technology to block pirated content from their network. They did not (nearly as I can tell) say that they would give up any information to the **AAs. | |
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1 edit | Re: MPAA Fights Piracy with more Lawsuits said by NormanS:said by Oleg:If AT&T will start blocking traffic and turn information to MPAA and RIAA they can kiss my ass good bye. AT&T said that they are exploring technology to block pirated content from their network. They did not (nearly as I can tell) say that they would give up any information to the **AAs. Good luck to them doing this effectively in the first place, and secondly keeping their common carrier status while doing it! | |
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Colorado Springs, CO | Charge Less at Theatres! It's now costing as much as 9 dollars a person to go to the movies. For Families that's a lot of cash to put out just for a movie of dubious entertainment value. (I will not get into how many times I feel ripped off for bad movies.)
Perhaps if they lowered prices where it was affordable, gave enough to the cinemaplexes who show the movie (They take over 95% of ticket sales) and got the cinemas to actually do a good job of making sure the guy up in the booth is doing his job.
Oh and there really needs to be Adult only times at theaters. I've quit going as much because it's more of a babysitter place than anything. Parents just drop the kids off and that's that.
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| | | Re: Charge Less at Theatres! said by NOCMan:It's now costing as much as 9 dollars a person to go to the movies. For Families that's a lot of cash to put out just for a movie of dubious entertainment value. Lucky you. In NYC it's $12 per ticket. | |
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| | dvd536as Mr. Pink as they comePremium
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kudos:4 | said by jimboe:said by NOCMan:It's now costing as much as 9 dollars a person to go to the movies. For Families that's a lot of cash to put out just for a movie of dubious entertainment value. Lucky you. In NYC it's $12 per ticket. And they hand you mortgage forms to fill out if you stop by the concession stand.
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2 edits | Yep.. Grain (wheat, corn, soybeans, etc.) is up over 25%-this translates into higher food prices. Oil is over 80 dollars a barrel (42 gallons). This means that gas is going to go up big time. Fall is here and that means heating season is right around the corner.
With these prices, there's no way in HELL that I can afford to take my family to the movies! There's no way in HELL that I can afford 18 dollars for a CD!
THAT'S the bottom line, MPAA and RIAA! Sell me what I want at a fair price on MY terms and I'll buy it. Try to rip me off (ie: the status quo) and I'll vote with my feet!
You basically have two choices: become customer friendly (ie: realize that the customer is your friend and partner, not crooks to be sued into submission!), or watch your customers dwindle away.
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| | My 2 Cents quote:
They claim that the industry lost over $18 billion to piracy in 2005.
Where do they get these figures? If they "lost" revenue that implies that at one point in time they actually had that revenue. But it was never theirs to lose.
Are they assuming all these people that click a link and watch a movie online would have paid to see that movie in a theater if that link wasn't available to click? We all know that's not the case.
People are disgusted with not only the price of seeing a movie in a theater but the degrading quality of the movies they pay to see. Many movies are just not worth risking that much money just to find out they suck. For the price of a ticket, munchies and a drink you could have actually bought the DVD and viewed the movie as many times as you want in the privacy of your own home!
What they need to do is offer these movies, streaming, online with degraded quality so people can try-before-they-buy. This is essentially what people are doing now anyway and if the MPAA did it they could keep tabs on it. I know many people that download things because they refuse to pay full price until they have gotten to try it out. If it's worthy of its price and does all they need then they support the company by purchasing the product. If it's not then they simply delete it. This applies more for programs but in the ever increasing price of movies can be applied to those as well. If they can view it online and then find out it's worthy of support they will want to see it in full theater glory and then buy the DVD as well. If it's not worthy of support then they won't go see it or buy it and this will hopefully pressure the studios to stop releasing crap on the public and demand high prices to view said crap.
Unfortunately, right now, the studios have it backwards. Instead of upgrading the quality of their content and making people want to pay for their product, they continue to release crap and wonder why those movies don't do well, people look elsewhere for them, and they "lose" revenue. If they want to continue releasing crap movies then they need to lower ticket prices and DVD prices for those movies. Charging the same price for a blockbuster and a B-movie is not a competent business model. That is the precise type of business model that drives people to look elsewhere for their products, which is exactly what's happening now. People are tired of getting screwed over by big businesses. A more lucrative model would be to set the ticket and DVD price for a movie based on the cost of that movie to make. Unfortunately, this is not lucrative to the studios because they are leeches and demand high prices for everything. They would only raise the price of blockbusters to twice what they cost now and what we pay now would become the norm for everything else. Which leads us back to square one where the public looks elsewhere for their product, and will continue to do so until big business comes to its senses.
Of course there are people that download the worthy movies as well and never pay for them, there always will be. But most people will gladly pay for a worthy movie, to see it on the big screen and then to own their own copy, even after viewing a degraded copy online. | |
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| | Just watched "The Brave One" I just followed the Link the MPAA provided in the news release and saw the brave one in entirety. Just saved 75 dollars here in NYC. In NYC it costs almost as much to take someone to the Movies as it is to the Yankees. Large popcorn, large soda and a Hotdog? 22 dollars. Thats why people don't go to the movies. Hey Hollywood, Want to increase movie attendance then allow people to bring their own snacks into theaters. | |
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| | | Re: Just watched "The Brave One" It's not the MPAA that is blocking out side food in it the theaters that make little to no money off of the ticket sales. | |
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| | great !!! Since this news the site is hammered !!! The traffic is unbelievable ! | |
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Since this news the site is hammered !!! The traffic is unbelievable !
The Slashdot BBR Effect in action!
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Sherman Oaks, CA | Shish... here a whole bunch of these sirtes go to »www.ovguide.com This is one of the largest Directories for sites that I've encountered. And it's all direct links to actual working sites without bullshit. Check it out and see how many Names you come back with to this forum, these are just 2 sites out of Hmmm..... A lot. | |
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Taylor! Where are you! We miss you.
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| | | Re: Where's Taylor? said by karlmarx:I'm a bit worried. I haven't been had the pleasure of being told that I'm going to club fed, with bubba for a roommate. Taylor! Where are you! We miss you. here I am a fill-in
YOU ARE ALL GOING TO JAIL!!!!111!!!111!!!
There, is that better?
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kudos:4 | Re: Where's Taylor? said by notwrth10:said by karlmarx:I'm a bit worried. I haven't been had the pleasure of being told that I'm going to club fed, with bubba for a roommate. Taylor! Where are you! We miss you. here I am a fill-in YOU ARE ALL GOING TO JAIL!!!!111!!!111!!! There, is that better? w00t!
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Jasper, AL | Lost Revenue I imagine much of that alleged lost revenue is from people like me who don't care to attempt to watch a lack luster movie in a tiny box filled with tiny seats spaced so close my knees bang the seat in front of me and I get the pleasure of feeling the person behind me baning my seat. Arm rest so small one person can't enjoy them much less two people share one. Noisy, rude people unchecked by the staff. Rooms so small I feel as if my face is two inches from an all too small screen with a low quality surface. These establishments aren't worthy of the title "theater." I'm just not interested in paying money to view a film in an environment I can't enjoy. Bring back the large theaters with large, comfortable seating and turn out a decent movie if you want to see me back.
Five hundred percent mark up on candy bars, 1500 per cent on soft drinks. Don't get me started on the popcorn that has become spongy because they are too cheap to pop fresh and when they do they just leave the left over popcorn in the bottom to wilt. And what is that crap, uh, I mean *cough* butter *cough* that does nothing to improve the flavor but makes the popcorn soggy and lubes your fingers?
I also don't care to pay money for the opportunity to watch commercials. I'll tolerate them on advertiser sponsored networks. One would expect them there but I'm not paying to watch freaking commercials.
No joke here, I haven't been to a movie establishment (for lack of a name as they certainly aren't theaters) in around 15 years and I don't feel I'm missing anything. The movies end up showing up on my boob tube from some source, eventually. At home, the popcorn is fresh, cokes cost less than fifty cents, candy is seventy-five cents or less. Nice seating, no noise. Not as nice as the big screens once were but much nicer than the small screens are today. Quite frankly, when I see some of these films on the boob tube I think I'd be pissed if I payed to see them in a crappy environment. Hell, I know I would be for some of them.
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| | Re: Online Movies Seems like most of them are Flash files in low res. Most of this stuff has been available as divx or even dvd screeners and region 5 dvds for a week or more on usenet. I suppose its ok if you don't like newsgroups but I don't see any big deal here. some of the sites charge membership fees...more than a month of giganews would cost. Some of the sites have been spamming the ngs for months, trying to drum up business. | |
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| Agreeing to both sides. Instead of filing lawsuites maybe MPAA/RIAA needs to talk to the pirates.
Would the Pirates be willing to pay a buck a movie? 2 bucks a movie?
Watch it from a web site that used ads to generate revenue?
Maybe if pirates were willing to pay some money to the industry, the industry eould back off.
Or better yet how about this:
If you feel you should get to watch movies, use computer programs without paying for them [there are exceptions like TV, freeware]. Then do me a favor... give me your house address so I can steal what ever I wabt from you.
After all the actors, the programmers, the producers make the entertainment to earn a living.
Or if you DL the movie and like it then buy the fing legal version on DVD or see it in the theater.
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