  GooberPremium
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1 edit | No Stopping It will never stop.
No matter the lawsuits, no matter the attempted enforcement. Stopping this type of behavior is next to impossible. Sending of DMCA notices to foreign countries only makes the sender seem like a jackass.
Embracing the technology, as has been said hundreds of times over, is the way to go. Yet, no one (at least not the big players) in the entertainment industry seems to understand this. | |
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join:2003-11-26 | How many? I wonder how many suits will be launched! Any idea? | |
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| Re: How many? They didn't say in their press event....
I'd guess at least a few hundred to a thousand to start with. Like the RIAA though they'll have to file John Doe suits by IP, so people aren't going to even know they've been sued until a court gives them the green light.....
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| | CorvusFlaming Tards Since 2003Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26 | Re: How many? A thousand is plausible since it's their first wave and they might want medias spotlights focused on them, helping scare more people.
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| | DMCA warnings... Oh yeah, I got one of these!
My roomate was downloading "The Pianist" and I got a letter.
I guess im on their list. 
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Woodbridge, ON | Re: DMCA warnings... said by skyfreedomdo:Oh yeah, I got one of these! My roomate was downloading "The Pianist" and I got a letter. I guess im on their list. hahaha, you deserve to get sued if you leeched the pianist. | |
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| | | | Re: DMCA warnings... ME! My f*cking roomate. WTF who would download that movie. Oh wait my "fag" roomate!
He keeps asking me why his BT doesnt workl anymore? I say "im not sure"! LOL
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| | |  jwsmiths4Part Man, Part MacPremium
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Savannah, GA | Re: DMCA warnings... I know just how you feel. I stopped downloading illegal music/movies a long time ago. My roommates moved in and used up all my bandwidth using Kazaa/BT (literally - there were times when I couldn't even load basic web pages because they would time out they were hogging so much of our connection) so I setup a m0n0wall box and enabled bandwidth throttling to keep that from happening. Then I start hearing about all these lawsuits so I blocked the ports commonly used by P2P apps and they bitched and moaned and I told them either live with it or order their own internet service. My roommate bitched that he used BT to download legal stuff so I gave them back BT and they shut-up about it - I just discovered though that my roommate's gf (whom keeps her laptop here) was downloading Simpson's and X-Men cartoons off of BT so I shut down BT again and said told my roommate that he promised they were trustworthy and that they wouldn't download anything illegal but since they can't keep up that end of the deal they can't use BT. | |
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Mechanicsburg, PA | can we please leave the homophobic gay bashing language somewhere else please? | |
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| | | | CorvusFlaming Tards Since 2003Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26 | Re: DMCA warnings... said by xdeadhead:can we please leave the homophobic gay bashing language somewhere else please? Are you gay? If so, I am looking for left minded people in Canadian Politic. There's usually one or two same-sex marriage threads were people like me fight against closed Christians and bigots.
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| CorvusFlaming Tards Since 2003Premium,VIP
join:2003-11-26 | That was just a warning... | |
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Upper Marlboro, MD | These lawsuits will do nothing There are twoo many ways to get your movies wtihout being able to be detected by the MPAA. | |
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| | Anyway HEY EVERYONE I HAVE THE SAFE SOLUTION TO FILE SHARING YOU WILL NEVAR GET SUED OMG : don't do it
but rly, i wonder who the target audience is, i only DL ones that i think i might like. I doubt it will be like the RIAA ::when was the last time you saw thousands, hundreds sure, but thousands of movies. If they are going the B.T. Route (I.E.) Repeate offenders this rules out those in private BT communities but oh well lets just wait and see. | |
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Everett, WA | Re: Anyway said by EddyisgreatAnon:
HEY EVERYONE I HAVE THE SAFE SOLUTION TO FILE SHARING YOU WILL NEVAR GET SUED OMG : don't do it
LOL, or use Newsgroups
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Carrabelle, FL | Scare Tactics I agree with the poster who said that they are using "scare tactics". They have all these suits getting a couple thousand a week, the least they can do is let them write some letters. It's the same tactics that Satellite TV uses on the people that "steal" their signal!
BTW Did anyone ever stop to think just how few people are downloding movies and songs? You have to be a real techno freak to know how to do all that stuff. Try to setup a P2P program, and you run into all the problems with OS and firewalls, etc.
Finally if you stop to figure that to download a stupid movie will take a couple of hours, then why not just go rent it for 3.99 at blockbuster or on pay-per-view.
The greedy people that have been exploiting the music an movie industries for rent want the whole loaf, not just half...That's the problem.
If someone wants to do an honest survey they would probably find that most people that download music and movies are the ones that cannot afford the 40.00 to take the wife and 2 kids to the movie, which again is way too costly.
Heard enough of this.
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I think that would curb alot of file trading - serioulsy. | |
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| Re: Scare Tactics Because the movie theaters make 95% of their money of popcorn, soda, and candy sales. They make VERY little of showing a movie, that's why the price for refreshments is stupidly high. Allowing people to buy a movie the day it was released would be nice, but would put theaters out of business. | |
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Charlotte, NC | Re: Scare Tactics If the movie theater doesn't offer an experience that will keep the seats filled, they should be closed down. My Home Theater system is better than my local theater's.
The reason they're not releasing movie's for sale at the same time, is they lose the ability to charge people multiple times for the same movie. Now, they get $8-$12 (per person) for the movie ticket, $3-$6 for people to watch it on pay-per-view before it comes out on DVD, and either $2-$5 bucks for a rental, or $15-$20 to sell, then an additional $15-$25 for the special, extendid, unrated, director's cut (with the 3 minutes of additional footage).
As long as Movie Theaters are making so much money, they will never change their model. Let's not forget, Box Office records have once again been broken this year. It will be interesting to see if they start to drop after filing lawsuits. | |
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Iscandar | said by sayers:Because the movie theaters make 95% of their money of popcorn, soda, and candy sales. They make VERY little of showing a movie, that's why the price for refreshments is stupidly high. Allowing people to buy a movie the day it was released would be nice, but would put theaters out of business. Furthermore, the studio's profit margin is WAY higher on theatrical releases than on home video sales, and always will be. Studios only release a movie to home video once the revenue stream from the theaters dries up.
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| Re: Scare Tactics The point being, IF the movie was released for rental/purchase at the standard $15 - It would not be worth all the time and troubles to download. I am one who would always purchase a movie rather than download as long as the price is right. If the MPAA tries to gouge or initial release then downloading will go on forever. To me it is a simple cost/effort ratio.
As stated else where: If the movie theater does not have an "experience" that is worth paying for then their business model is not working and should not be forcefully subsidised by consumers.
I refuse to multiple purchase and view movies. Movies are a luxury for me and I am patient - I can wait for the discount DVD bin  The more I feel I am being pushed into paying for something, the more I will simply walk away. Heck, wait long enough and the movie will show up on regular tv just like lord or rings, harry potter, matrix as examples. | |
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And they think downloaders are a big deal? Bah. I've posted it before, and I will post it again: end users are SMALL POTATOES. They need to tackle piracy where it begins, in their own ranks. They're being sold out by their own people.
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Carrabelle, FL | Thats a good idea, averagedude. I hope some of the movie moguls read that. If you watch the flow of a movie, they are like:
1:) BOXOFFICE
2.) PAY PER VIEW
3.) MOVIE CHANNELS
4.) DVD
Like I said they want to squeeze every nickel out of it.
Here's another idea suppose you had a movie released on DVD at the same time as Boxoffice and like you say they were priced about the same. You know why that would not work? Because like someone said the theaters make millions off popcorn and coke, they would raise H***
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Warren, MI | Re: Scare Tactics Actually it's:
1) box office
2) DVD (sale and rental)
3) PPV (sometimes at the same time as 2, but rarely)
4) premium cable (sometimes it skips 3 to go here)
5) broadcast TV (rarely it will skip 3 and/or 4 to go here)
They will never get rid of the box office because that's where the "real" money is made. Most movies will pay for themselves with box office returns. Everything after that is just icing on the cake. It's rare for a movie to make more on DVD sales then it does on box office ticket sales.
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Gaithersburg, MD | Re: Scare Tactics You forgot hotel in-room rentals (ala SpectraVision) that usually follows theatrical release and precedes home video release. | |
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Spring, TX | The RIAA and MPAA are both full of crap. They aren't going to stop this, no matter what they do. Furthermore, they both know damned well that file sharing is actually COSTING them little or nothing. They're simply unhappy with their profits, so are using legal maneuvers to MUG the public.
Ultimately, their actions are no different than a robber sticking a gun in your face for your wallet, except that it's LEGAL the way they do it. | |
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Iscandar | Re: Scare Tactics said by jwardl:Ultimately, their actions are no different than a robber sticking a gun in your face for your wallet, except that it's LEGAL the way they do it. Let me see if I understand your logic. An organization acting to protect the intellectual property of its members is the same as a thief trying to take your property from you by force. Did I get that right? Because it seems like pretty bass-ackwards logic to me.
said by jwardl:The RIAA and MPAA are both full of crap. They aren't going to stop this, no matter what they do. Furthermore, they both know damned well that file sharing is actually COSTING them little or nothing. They're simply unhappy with their profits, so are using legal maneuvers to MUG the public. True, it doesn't COST them anything in terms of capital outlay, but it does COST them in terms of lost revenue. And you're right, it doesn't cost them much...right now. However, if a significant majority of people are doing it, do you honestly believe that it will continue to have little impact on profitability? Furthermore, what successful and thriving corporation is satisfied with making less profit? Certainly not the stockholders of that corporation.
Sorry, kid, but your arguments don't cut it. Try applying logic next time.
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|  mrchrisOut and aroundPremium
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North Babylon, NY | Re: Get REAL Azzholes !! Go away! | |
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kudos:4 | newsgroups when are people gonna realize kazaa and these other programs where you upload the file is just asking for trouble. Newsgroups are the way to go... $15 a month for all the movies (dvdr, divx, svcd), tv shows, games, software, and porn you can handle at blazing fast speeds. And since currently they only sue people who upload the files you won't get sued. That and the fact that no logs are kept by most reputable newsgroup providers.
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Miami, FL | Re: newsgroups Yes... I was thinking of making a move to Newsgroups and paying for the subscribtion. Which means i'll have to get a new HDD and a dvd-burner to be able to keep up with my 600 kB/s+ connection  | |
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Charlotte, NC | Re: newsgroups I use Netflix to make copy's of DVD's I can't find online, but you still have to wait for it to be released on DVD. You can use Newsgroups to get movies not yet released, as well as music, software, games, etc. Both are illegal, but then again, so are price gouging/fixing and bribing congress to extend the life of copyrights. | |
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Cheyenne, WY |  Does anyone know?
I am assuming they will be going after movie downloaders as opposed to people who download tv shows.
I also think they will be going after people who download the movie while it is still in theatres.
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kudos:4 | Re: Does anyone know? well not too long ago i got a dmca email for downloding dead like me off of bt from mgm... it's not a regular tv show though so maybe that's why. It's more of a showtime thing. | |
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Wichita, KS | No problems I just go to my local grocery store and pick up a few new releases at $.99 and rip them. I don't download at all. | |
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Everett, WA | Re: No problems same here, my local grocery store has new dvd releases for .89c 1 dy rental. for older releases i will go to the library, they are a good source for the classics (gone with the wind, great escape, etc). | |
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For those that use P2P and don't run Peerguardian, shame on you. PG2 is soon to be released, which solves all the inherent downfalls of PG1 (no UDP blocking and a resource hog due to the every growing blocklist). The quick solution until PG2 is released is to use PGLite. Also be aware that several spyware outfits are rebadging PG, so don't download PG from anywhere except the methlabs site and forum.
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Monroe, GA | I don't get the logic of downloading. The way I understand it is if the movie is small enough to D/L it looks like shizer and if it's full size(8-9 gigs) it takes to long to get. I can't stand to look at crappy video anymore than I can listen to bad sound. If it's not out on DVD I can wait a few weeks. I have a job and make enough money to where I can rent or buy the DVD when it comes out and make a back-up when needed.
Honestly if the MPAA came out and said trade willy-nilly and we don't care, I still wouldn't do it 'cause I'm willing to pay for quality and not having to wait for an 8 gig D/L.
At 3.99 to rent a DVD for 3-9 days that's cheap. I piss away a lot more money than that on other useless things.
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Cheyenne, WY | Re: I don't get the logic of downloading. I downloaded The first Spider man movie, a couple of years ago just to see if I could. after 3 days of on and off loading I had it. It lasted 5 minutes before I deleted it the quality was so bad that it was worthless. I have no intension of downloading any movie. I go and purchase them. Unlike music which of late has sucked a big one, there are good movies to be had. And unlike music
you get so much more then just the movie, narratives, histories, etc. I think a lot of you download movies just because you can, and you think you are screwing the MAN.
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| | | | Re: I don't get the logic of downloading. Im sorry but if you dont like the fact that people DO download this stuff than turn your nose, dont talk about it, yeah some people are going to get sued but all that is going to do is cause Box Office sales to drop. what you have failed to realize is that Bittorrent makes up 35% of all internet traffic. you can not nor will ever stop piracy, sooner or later your gonna realize it and quit Bit**ing about it. if you ask me your all stupid for PAYING for what is free with the right resources. Not that i cant pay, just that i dont want to. where is the sence in paying for entertainment if you can get it free. im not sitting in a theater where some jackass little kid is going to ruin the movie, or get in my car drive 30 miles to the nearest rental place then stand in line and wait for the jackass behind the counter to screw up and when i get home realize i got the wrong thing, SORRY its not cost effective. as far as im concerned. as long as its free its worth the effort. | |
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Cheyenne, WY | Re: I don't get the logic of downloading. All I can say is I could care less what you do. I don't like going the theaters either for some of the same reasons you mention. My sound system is as good as a theater and I can play, study, and enjoy my DVD's. If you want to down load crappy Divx copies fine. I prefer the good stuff.
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| | Warning letter from MPAA I have a question and was wondering if anyone would help me out. If you get a warning via e-mail, your ISP or mail, does that mean you could potentially get sued or is that just a warning. The warning I get pops up in my internet browser from my ISP. It gives some copyright info about movie's you've downloaded then says click here is you swear these files have been deleted from you computer. Then it says something about do you swear against purjury by law. Is this a warning type thing or am I on there sue list, does anyone know anything about these warning, please post any info you know about this. This whole thing is confusing and ridiculous.
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