  baineschile2600 ways to livePremium
join:2008-05-10
Sterling Heights, MI | Why Bother 4G (LTE WiMax) is only 18 months away. The speed and SOS will be more than enough for the subwaiy/rail system. By the time they got funding and a project manager, the wireless telcos will be all over it. | |
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 |  Frankis chillingPremium
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3 edits | Re: Why Bother said by baineschile:4G (LTE WiMax) is only 18 months away. The speed and SOS will be more than enough for the subwaiy/rail system. By the time they got funding and a project manager, the wireless telcos will be all over it. because as of right now you cant even get a standard non-3g cdma or gsm signal while riding on the subway with the exception of some tracks which ride above ground and while STOPPED at some stations that have specially setup equipment by certain telcos.
Most of the subway is underground and gsm/cdma/iden/wifi signals dont reach there.
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| |  NYR 56Premium
join:2000-12-05
Smithtown, NY | Re: Why Bother They specifically mention this is for the LIRR and MNR, not the subways. That said, not everyone wants to pay for unlimited data through cell networks. Of the people that do, even fewer are able to tether their laptop. In addition, I wouldn't be surprised if the cell companies start metering the data usage - there is no way they will allow people to use unlimited data once the networks get further utilized for more bandwidth heavy applications. | |
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1 edit | said by Frank:said by baineschile:4G (LTE WiMax) is only 18 months away. The speed and SOS will be more than enough for the subwaiy/rail system. By the time they got funding and a project manager, the wireless telcos will be all over it. because as of right now you cant even get a standard non-3g cdma or gsm signal while riding on the subway with the exception of some tracks which ride above ground and while STOPPED at some stations that have specially setup equipment by certain telcos. Most of the subway is underground and gsm/cdma/iden/wifi signals dont reach there. Honestly I won't mind if they kept the cell phone signals OUT of the trains. I take NJ transit buses and nothing irks me more than some yahoo just firing up their cellphone and yakking away on a quiet bus.
I used to live within city limits and took the subway home. Part of it was an elevated line, and as soon as we got out of the tunnel, teenagers would fire up their cellphones with their nonsense and others would start up and eventually your peaceful commute is interrupted by cellphone conversations.
Furthermore, I think it's time we learn to disconnect a little. How exactly did we get by without all this connectivity we have now? We got by just fine. | |
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somewhere | Re: Why Bother said by fifty nine:said by Frank:said by baineschile:4G (LTE WiMax) is only 18 months away. The speed and SOS will be more than enough for the subwaiy/rail system. By the time they got funding and a project manager, the wireless telcos will be all over it. because as of right now you cant even get a standard non-3g cdma or gsm signal while riding on the subway with the exception of some tracks which ride above ground and while STOPPED at some stations that have specially setup equipment by certain telcos. Most of the subway is underground and gsm/cdma/iden/wifi signals dont reach there. Honestly I won't mind if they kept the cell phone signals OUT of the trains. I take NJ transit buses and nothing irks me more than some yahoo just firing up their cellphone and yakking away on a quiet bus. solution: get ear plugs.............. or an ipod w/noise cancelling headphones.
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Using a WiFi connection makes the service much more accessible to many more people, lots of people have WiFi built in their laptops, PDAs and phones. At the moment you can only buy a WiMax card, LTE chips are unlikely to be available in wide numbers before 2010 and then companies will still have to test and design products around them.
4G isn't 18 months away, it's years away. The ITU defines 4G as 100 Mbit/s downlink in a moving vehicle, 1 Gbit/s stationary downlink, WiMax and LTE can't do that, the ITU is defining LTE-Advanced and WiMAx 2 (.16m) as 4G. Just because the carriers say these services are "4G" doesn't mean they are.
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 rit56
join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
1 edit | oh yeah? they tried to get cell phone service on the subways and that was an epic fail. I say this never happens. | |
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| patcat88
join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
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1 edit | Re: oh yeah? said by rit56:they tried to get cell phone service on the subways and that was an epic fail. I say this never happens. Yep, the MTA wanted "open-access" (every carrier pays same rent and gets access) (strike one) and station-only cell coverage (strike two) from the equipment operating contractor.
About strike one, many underground train cities have exclusive agreements, Washington DC Metro is Verizon CDMA only and Sprint through roaming, Metro North Grand Central Terminal is AT&T only I think (but plenty of leakage from all the other carriers from off the property), remember Metro North Railroad had the AT&T Wireless partnered "Railfone" cellphone that looks like a payphone thing onboard (ripped out in the early-mid 2000s). LIRR/Amtrak/NJT is Verizon only AFAIK in the east river and hudson river tunnels. Lincoln [auto] Tunnel under hudson is Verizon and AT&T only, no T-mobile, Sprint through roaming.
About strike two, the contractor pulled out because they would generate too few minutes to bill the cell carriers and pay rent to the MTA by having station only coverage. | |
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join:2003-08-16
New Hyde Park, NY |  errr.....
I would like talk to these guys, I have ideas I could share; but I'll probably have to wait 6 months lol... | |
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| | | not much hope I don't have much faith that the MTA will implement this in any sort of intelligent or useful manner. | |
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| |  AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ | Re: not much hope said by PatPend :
I don't have much faith that the MTA will implement this in any sort of intelligent or useful manner.
Its not the MTA, its the service providers. Why would Verizon, AT&T or Sprint want to cannibalize their 3g and future 4g sales?
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| KB2PSM
join:2002-08-06
Long Beach, NY | Re: errr..... said by tg1:I do use Optimum Wifi points at the stations so that's nice. (Cablevision: What happen to Jamaica? Just my guess, but I think that Queens is serviced by Time Warner/Roadrunner and not Cablevision- so may keep Jamaica out of the wifi service area. | |
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| MBTA The MBTA here in Boston partnered with AT&T and now at least two cars of ever commuter rail train have Wi-Fi in the car that links the the AT&T Network. It may not be the fastest in the world, but it makes it easy enough to surf the web and read emails while riding the train. | |
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|  don1p2
join:2004-06-11
Boston, MA | Re: MBTA And in case you haven't noticed, the MBTA, as well as the whole Commonwealth of Massachusetts is effectively bankrupt (can YOU spell California?).
There is a limit to which a gov't or a gov't entrie can supply "stuff" for gratis.
There is no free lunch.
Buy a wireless card...and stop sucking off of the teats of the rest of us Massachusetts taxpayers.
We have had enough of you leaches! | |
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AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium
join:2003-02-06
Onion, NJ | whats the big deal? This can be done with some 3g to wifi modem/routers.
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 sheik28Premium
join:2000-10-15
New York, NY | Read This is about LIRR and Metro North, not the subway system. | |
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