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 |  Duramax08Win8 sucksPremium join:2008-08-03 San Antonio, TX | Re: Que? Thats what im thinking right now....... | |
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| Re: Que? I think what might help the OPs perspective is to stop calling the product Skype.
Skype is what was developed by the Kazaa P2P founders. Skype is now gone. What our OP has is Microsoft V-Chat. It just hasn't been branded with it's new, uninteresting moniker yet.
And given how much Microsoft is driven to make it's Chat client an ad-centric experience, why stay attached to it? You can get all the ads you want on Youtube with less work.
Better to jump ship and find some other video client that is less compromised. -- Campaign contributions influence laws through a process called bribery. | |
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 |  BiggA join:2005-11-23 EARTH | Yeah, it's like an opinion piece/ rant posted on the news page.... weird. | |
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| Re: Que? said by BiggA:Yeah, it's like an opinion piece/ rant posted on the news page.... weird. Seriously. If I wanted opinion on my news page, I could pick up any paper in the country and get that. -- Campaign contributions influence laws through a process called bribery. | |
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 |  |  |  elwoodbluesElwood BluesPremium join:2006-08-30 HarperLand | Re: Que? But Karls "news" articles are very opinionated. | |
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There is no straight news in the world today -- perhaps CSPAN, yes -- maybe.
ABC, CBS, and NBC -- NEWS --- do not tell straight news. It's all based on opinion. There is a bias in all information that is reported. There is bias in what is not reported as well. | |
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| Re: Que? said by Linklist:What do you think we have now? 90% of what Karl posts on the front page is advocacy for his view of the way things should be. Almost none of it is straight news.
The difference is that Karl doesn't endlessly try to prove how uniquely superior and unbiased his content is. That puts him a lot closer to the center of honesty than the bulk of the press-wits we have infesting old media.
I'd also offer he brings a lot more low-ink stories to the forefront than any dozen college-generated journalists who scrape out their living reprinting Reuters blurbs. -- Campaign contributions influence laws through a process called bribery. | |
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 |  |  |  rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO | Most of the news posted by Karl has opinion. For instance, I believe it's quite clear that Karl doesn't agree with the justifications given by most ISPs as to how they price/sell their services. Whenever news is posted regarding caps, price increases, spectrum crisis or peak stress created by bandwidth hogs, Karl reminds us there's little correlation between price increases and wholesale costs and bandwidth hogs and how they contribute to peak usage stress. (Not looking to open that discussion here...it's just my observation and I don't necessarily disagree with his views.)
I don't have a problem with this article but I believe it's more of an editorial, not news. | |
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| Re: Que? said by BiggA:Yeah, that's spot on, he can't seem to see the other side, which unfortunately, IMO, undermines his credibility on a lot of important problems for broadband in the US that are real. You can go most anywhere else in the tech-press world and get the corporate/gov press releases that pass for news.
Those are the alternative to what Karl brings to front page. -- Campaign contributions influence laws through a process called bribery. | |
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You have the ability to use your expensive macbook with all kinds of software. Most of the worlds leading software even. All you need to do is install bootcamp, put windows on and use to your hearts desire.
In fact in the time it took to outline, write, edit, proof and post this article you probably could be using your favorite version of skype. | |
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A VM running XP or Win 7 running under OSX would be much more friendly than dual booting. At least that's what my knowledge of bootcamp is -- a dual booting mechanism. I used it on my MacBook Pro to install Windows 8 but that was a mistake. There were no drivers for the Mac touch pad -- Windows 8 is all but impossible to experience without a mouse. | |
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 |  DeftStros in '08Premium join:2003-09-06 Grand Forks, ND | Re: Is this just a long whine? venting on front page. its going viral!! | |
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| Think this passage sums it up.... Quote from article:
"Some on their forums claim we are being forced to suffer because Microsoft acquired Skype in 2011 and they are hellbent on infuriating us Mac users"...
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| Boo Hoo, The Program isnt pretty enough for my Apple! What a joke this article is, bitch and moan that the free option Skype offers isn't pretty enough for there ohh so special Apples.
All I can say is go pound sand, if the product doesn't meet your needs visually or otherwise, use something else. This whole article is a joke and should have never been posted to the homepage. | |
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| Re: Boo Hoo, The Program isnt pretty enough for my Apple! said by Ctrl Alt Del:said by hitachi369:...bitch and moan that the free option Skype offers... Not if you buy Skype credits and use it as a replacement for a land line. If its not pretty enough for for an Apple user, why buy credits. There are other options available that may meet the discerning Apple users delicate eye. -- STOP THE NSA WIRETAPS
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 |  |  |  iansltx join:2007-02-19 Golden, CO kudos:2 | Re: Boo Hoo, The Program isnt pretty enough for my Apple! Screw prettiness...I just want a client that has a contact list view, not a contact-list-and-fill-up-my-screen-with-everything-else view. | |
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 |  |  |  |  hitachi369Embrace Your RightsPremium join:2001-10-03 Grand Rapids, MI kudos:4 | Re: Boo Hoo, The Program isnt pretty enough for my Apple! And I'm sure there are many options out there that may offer this. | |
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Skype 5.0 was a terrible, horrible designed product. At least they brought feature parity with the Windows version and they've since made improvements.
Ninja Edit: The real problem was for people who had been using the old Skype 2.8, bought lots of Skype credit, then was "forced" to upgrade to the new Skype 5.0. Those people had already paid Skype money, then Skype changed the product for the worse. -- less talk, more music | |
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| Re: Boo Hoo, The Program isnt pretty enough for my Apple! He's trying to put yahoo messenger for mac in a good light in the topic, which has limited features compared to it's windows counterpart, while complaining about Apple knowing best.
Skype for both both Mac and Windows had a rocky start in 5.0, but has since improved like you said. I would know, I do sometimes use both. The author is simply complaining to have features reduced from the OSX version from what I can tell  | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Boo Hoo, The Program isnt pretty enough for my Apple! I think Yahoo Messenger for Mac is pretty awful; it was updated once for OS 10.7 Lion, but I think they are very willing to let Apple's own iChat (soon to be called Messages) handle Yahoo IM functionality (including IM and video) in the future. However at least Yahoo IM for Mac and Windows no not clobber the screen with a huge window without separate IM windows. Both versions of YM offer a separate tabbed IM window. | |
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 |  |  |  |  |  | | Re: Boo Hoo, The Program isnt pretty enough for my Apple! The 2.8 version remains for multiple reasons but the biggest reason is the older 2.8 is compatible with older versions of Apple's OS. Skype 2.8 runs on Mac OS X v10.3+ on Intel or PowerPC. Skype 5.0+ requires Mac OS X v10.5+ on Intel only.
Those who were eligible to upgrade from 2.8 to 5.0 were given notices every time they logged in to upgrade. Your choices were "Upgrade Now" or "Later". You had to go into the settings and disable the update check. You could always post-pone or disable the upgrade, but you also can't use certain features in the old version; hence "forced". -- less talk, more music | |
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 |  |  AVDRespice, Adspice, ProspicePremium join:2003-02-06 Onion, NJ kudos:1 | said by Ctrl Alt Del:said by hitachi369:...bitch and moan that the free option Skype offers... Not if you buy Skype credits and use it as a replacement for a land line. if the free version sucks, why would you support it? -- --Standard disclaimers apply.-- The preceding posting is null and void in Arizona and any other jurisdiction where prohibited by law. | |
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 |  |  |  | | Re: Boo Hoo, The Program isnt pretty enough for my Apple! said by AVD:if the free version sucks, why would you support it? Because the old free one worked. They completely reinvented the wheel for those who had been using Skype for years. -- less talk, more music | |
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 | | Sounds more like Apple's fault.. So you don't like the new version of Skype, and Apple is going to break the version that you do like and its Skype's fault? Personally i would be more worried about Apple having to sign everything that will run on there OS.
Typical Apple fan boy thinking, its not there fault your holding it wrong. | |
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 | | I don't see anything wrong with the article... I'm not an apple user so can't contribute anything but wanted to provide some moral support as I don't see the reason for all the hostility. | |
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 |  wmcbrine213 251 145 96 join:2002-12-30 Laurel, MD kudos:1 | Apart from the greater length, it's not even up to the standards of the average comment here. He doesn't even start to get to the point before the "story continues" line, wasting two paragraphs telling us he's not a fanboy -- no1curr. I could go on.
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| Did the writer of this drivel SERIOUSLY put Yahoo for mac.. In a good light?
Having used both OSX and Windows, Yahoo messenger for mac is crap. Yahoo messenger for Windows allows:
- You to see who is in chat rooms while chatting - photo sharing and video sharing
That the osx version does not allow. Both versions are honestly crap, and both crash A LOT, but the mac version sucks far worse then the PC.
The writer started by talking about Apple sandboxing and knowing best, then proceeded to praise apps that basically sandbox and limit features  | |
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 |  | | Re: Did the writer of this drivel SERIOUSLY put Yahoo for mac.. I do believe the author was only referencing the design of the contact list within the YM application, not the application on whole. I also seem to read several references he makes to features being present in Windows software that is missing from the Mac version.
I do understand his frustration, though I am not a Skype user. Mac users do seem to be shortchanged on several fronts. For starters, there are usually less applications available to perform a given task. The Mac version of software often (not always) lacks some of the functionality of the Windows software. Microsoft has maintained a certain level of backwards compatibility with their OS, which is something that was broken by Apple's transition to Intel. So when you get used to something and it suddenly stops working, it is a bit annoying and troublesome since the alternatives may be limited.
I think most people who buy a Mac do so understanding these downsides and limitations.
I find it funny how often Apple crows about how many apps they have in their app store for mobile, but doesn't seem to think this is such a big issue for their laptops and desktops, where they are woefully behind Windows in the number and caliber of apps available. Hmmm. | |
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| Re: Did the writer of this drivel SERIOUSLY put Yahoo for mac.. Its pretty much the same damn thing, with pretty much the same list of options (only less on a mac), it's just that the options and preferences are the top of the window on the windows version (Like most windows apps), while the mac version has them at the very top of the screen on that apple bar thing.
The windows version is leaps and bounds better. You can do the same things, it has the same method of contacting people, only the mac version has less obvious options... Unless you can see your entire screen... 
Everything is the same, so it's obvious he's talking about the options. It's obvious he wants less options on the Skype version. | |
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 | | Attention author: You've misunderstood 10.8's sandboxing As already mentioned by someone else, Mac OS X 10.8's default setting will be to require signed apps. But you can simply change it to let you run any apps. So you can continue using the older version of Skype.
I do agree that in general Skype's functionality and usability has faltered after the Microsoft acquisition, but is that a surprise to anyone at this point? There are plenty of other VOIP and video chat options. | |
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 | | Skype=Microsoft=Bird to Mac Users Hate to say it but with MS firmly in control of skype folks on Macs better not expect much of anything. | |
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 |  rradina join:2000-08-08 Chesterfield, MO | Re: Skype=Microsoft=Bird to Mac Users Really? Perhaps it's just the difference between the two worlds. As a Windows app, iTunes is quite a strange experience. Of course it's not a great app on the Mac either so perhaps it's just iTunes in general. I've also read some posts that claim 5.0 Skype for Windows wasn't the best either but has since made some minor improvements.
I don't use Skype on Windows or Mac. I have it on my iPhone and it's less than an optimal experience on that platform too. | |
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hint use an os that supports the apps your using.......... | |
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| hopefully Karl didn't overpay for this "News" Saw the fine print at the bottom.
quote: This article is part of an effort to solicit paid content from the Broadband Reports community. If you'd like to participate, please contact us.
Hope it was only $.02 that was paid as it is an opinionated rant and not newsworthy. | |
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quote: This article is part of an effort to solicit paid content from the Broadband Reports community. If you'd like to participate, please contact us.
Hope it was only $.02 that was paid as it is an opinionated rant and not newsworthy. It may not be newsworthy to you, but it was not constructed as a "news" piece. The previous two pieces I've written for DSLR have also been commentaries for the most part.
I'm delighted to have proved such an opinion and reaction from you. That was my point. | |
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 |  |  DolganPremium join:2005-10-01 Sun Prairie, WI | Re: hopefully Karl didn't overpay for this "News" My problem is that it was posted as a news story and not labeled as an opinion piece. Also, it is a topic that fits better in the "All Things Macintosh" versus being posted as a front page "news" item. | |
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Other pieces that I've written were labeled commentary - at least one of them was. Sorry that this one wasn't. | |
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 | | Not a meltdown I am the author. I synthesized a lot of criticism I gathered from various sources, over the course of months to write this article. If you are not a Skype user, then you probably don't care. It's ok. If you don't use a Mac, then likewise. However, what I proposed is not a radical solution. Skype for Mac looked differently than the Windows version up until late January 2011. We were happy with it. It didn't look too different from other Mac IM or even Windows IM programs. Certainly, they've gone with a streamlined interface.
For those who have said Skype is going to be more favorably developed for Microsoft's platforms from this point forward, I will agree. I think a lot of Mac users have or will abandon Skype and we'll just have to find another IM / voice chat application to depend on -- perhaps Apple's new Messages in the soon to be released OS 10.8 will provide a solution for those not feeling much love from Skype.
To the person who said this was an opinion ---yes it is! It's a commentary piece. | |
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 |  MxxCon join:1999-11-19 Brooklyn, NY 1 edit | Re: Not a meltdown While it's not the usual "news" post everybody expects, more of a complaint/beg, people that attacked you for it are dicks.
However, Skype on Windows also looks and works like ass. They don't follow Windows' standard usability guidelines. "X" does not close it, just moves it to systray. It does not use standard GUI components. Ads all over the place...But at least you can separate contact list from call/IM window and resize them as needed.
Vote with your wallet. Migrate to a solution that works the way you like it..or start a business to fill this need.  -- [Sig removed by Administrator: signature can not exceed 20GB] | |
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Oovoo ?
Rebtel? ( I know their desktop client is Windows only right now) | |
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 |  hitachi369Embrace Your RightsPremium join:2001-10-03 Grand Rapids, MI kudos:4 | Re: Skype 5.8.0.945 Did you honestly expect anything to happen? | |
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| Skype 5.0 Skype 5.0 My understanding the interface change with Skype 5 was to bring it more in line with it's windows brother.. I don't see nothing wrong with that on Skype's end.. They want an uniform application that is similar across all platforms from my understanding. | |
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 mobOn the next level..Premium join:2000-10-07 | TL;DR So Apple users can't get Skype and the writer is upset.
This is not news, it's a mac user whining. | |
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 atuarreHere come the drumsPremium join:2004-02-14 College Station, TX | RE
Who cares? I sure do not. Couldn't he have just posted this in the Apple (or is it a Mac forum) where people that worshipped the almighty Apple might appreciate it more? | |
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 | | And I can see why Skype won't code better for Apple Apple has had a few instances, especially on their iPhone/Ipad apps, where they have someone code a nice app that people like and then knock it out of the iTunes store only to come out with their own version.
Now, with the iTunes store not only demanding a cut of the initial sales but 30% of any subscriptions, why would Skype code something for Apple only to have 30% taken from the top off their subscription fee?
Apple's history of strong arming programmers is not going to help them in this case. | |
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Yes there are Mac "news" websites that have daily articles just like BBR. However, I know that type and by and large I don't fit into their world. I'm not a daily kool-aid drinker like they are. I may not have as many Mac criticisms as people on here, but once you make 3 or 4 a day within the "cult" you're not welcome anymore. | |
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=> You can allow installing unsigned apps on Mountain Lion, it is just a setting.
=> Try using Contact Monitor in 5 as it has the look and feel of 2.8 ( Cmd+3 ) | |
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 pfakPremium join:2002-12-29 Vancouver, BC | Huh .. Why is Broadband Reports paying for rants^H^H^H^H^Harticles like this?
Is there a benefit to Skype (ala Microsoft) supporting OS X? It's still a very small market share. They can support what they want, it's a free world after all. -- The more I C, the less I see. | |
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