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2011-Nov-23 4:46 pm
Consumers can also opt outBy not shopping at locations that use FootPath. | |
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Re: Consumers can also opt outMy thoughts exactly. Is there list somewhere of which malls that use this, so I know to avoid them? | |
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Note to self, do not go to shopping malls... ever... Thought to self... wait, I don't... online is much easier... | |
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2011-Nov-23 7:49 pm
Re: Consumers can also opt outFor tracking usage patterns? | |
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I wonder when they will start giving customers a procto?Next thing you know they will want to look up your ass to see if you have your shit together, before admitting you. | |
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borka join:2003-04-01 Ponte Vedra, FL |
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2011-Nov-23 4:49 pm
turning off their what???WTF is this? "Consumers can opt out by turning off their phones,"
are they serious???
its like saying don't buy a cell phone if you don't want to be tracked! | |
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2011-Nov-23 4:54 pm
Re: turning off their what???said by borka:WTF is this? "Consumers can opt out by turning off their phones,"
are they serious???
its like saying don't buy a cell phone if you don't want to be tracked! Yes, who turns off their cellphones when they are out and moving around when away from home. That is the main purpose of a cellphone - to be reachable when not at home. Turning off your phone is a joke of an opt-out choice. | |
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2011-Nov-23 5:22 pm
Re: turning off their what???You can Opt-Out of living in the USA....
(That is sarcasm.)
Seriously, this type of activity should be 100% opt in and very explicitly so, not opt in as "you used this or installed that or bought this so you are agreeing to be opted in" kind of opt in. | |
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2011-Nov-23 6:32 pm
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you can opt-out by turning your ass around, and leaving, and never coming back. | |
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said by borka:WTF is this? "Consumers can opt out by turning off their phones,"
are they serious???
its like saying don't buy a cell phone if you don't want to be tracked! Lets see before this cellular phones have been tracked for years by tower triangulation, then by the GPS that is now in every cell phone. With the advent of smartphones with WiFi tracking by hotspot has become simple and common. SO yes seriously, if you don't want to be tracked don't buy a cellular phone. | |
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joako Premium Member join:2000-09-07 /dev/null |
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2011-Nov-23 5:11 pm
How does this workI read on the FootPath website they place receivers that can detect the mobile phones. If they are using the GSM signal, how can they uniquely identify phones without decrypting the signal? | |
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jap Premium Member join:2003-08-10 038xx |
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2011-Nov-23 5:29 pm
how tracked?"Consumers can opt out by turning off their phones," helpfully claims CNN." That one made me laugh out loud. It's such a sharp dismissal for a PR person to utter. I'd love to hear the inflection - clueless vs. acerbic vs. apologetically "they made me say it" etc.. Sooooo, when do (or did) law enforcement, campaign rally organizers, airports, the border patrol, etc.etc.etc. start deploying these thingies? What do phones emit that allows uniq ID of each handset? I'm protocol and RF ignorant in this department. Can such IDs persist over time? Footpath's tech description page indicates the tracking computations occur on their central servers. | |
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DaveDudeNo Fear join:1999-09-01 New Jersey 1 edit |
We should just go to V secretEvery time you see footpath, just go to Victoria's secret, make the marketers go crazy. | |
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Hmmm... Where's that Flight Mode button?Ahh...Here it is!!! | |
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pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And Pretty Premium Member join:2002-05-02 Mount Airy, MD |
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2011-Nov-23 5:55 pm
Malls?People still shop at those? | |
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2011-Nov-23 5:57 pm
Re: Malls?Only when I wanted an Apple Laptop and going to Delaware meant I paid less than getting it shipped to NJ. | |
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2011-Nov-23 6:23 pm
Re: Malls?said by Kearnstd:Only when I wanted an Apple Laptop and going to Delaware meant I paid less than getting it shipped to NJ. Not to sound too tinfoilish but I wonder how interested the State of New Jersey would be in that location information. | |
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All the time--that's where the stores are (and lots of parking). Most of them are "upscale" places (at least, Short Pump is). Anyway, it is private property, so they can track anything they want to. | |
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2011-Nov-24 12:43 pm
Re: Malls?said by mod_wastrel:All the time--that's where the stores are (and lots of parking). Most of them are "upscale" places (at least, Short Pump is). Anyway, it is private property, so they can track anything they want to. This is like an apartment owner saying "Hey, its my property. If you don't want my camera in your bathroom ...leave." or "I can come into your apartment anytime I want, its my property". Many times privacy trumps private property rights. | |
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Re: Malls?That might be the worst--and most inaccurate--analogy I've ever heard of. | |
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2011-Nov-24 5:10 pm
Re: Malls?said by mod_wastrel:That might be the worst--and most inaccurate--analogy I've ever heard of. Explain. | |
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2011-Nov-23 6:09 pm
licensed or WiFi?So wait, are these things listening to licensed bands that the carriers use or are they on WiFi? Because if they're using the cellular bands then wouldn't they have to get the OK by the FCC and by the carriers that own the bands? Or is that just to broadcast on? | |
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2011-Nov-23 7:06 pm
Re: licensed or WiFi?Listening only for non licensed | |
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I'm really wondering that. What it sounds like to me is they are providing some sort of DAS for the carriers, and that is tracking location, but it's really hard to tell. I doubt that someone can just track what is on licensed spectrum, although if it was purely listening, and not transmitting, then maybe it's legal...
I think it's a cool idea. If you have a cell phone, you have to assume you are being tracked. If you have Facebook, you have to assume all info you put on it is public. If you don't want to be tracked, turn off your cell phone. If you don't want information to be public, don't paste it on Facebook. | |
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2011-Nov-23 6:43 pm
Time to turn of phoneI already keep my phone off all the time unless I need to make a phone call, so for me it will not change anything. | |
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Re: Time to turn of phoneTrack on . . . Is this supposed to make me buy more or something?????? | |
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said by 40757180:I already keep my phone off all the time unless I need to make a phone call, so for me it will not change anything. For true tracking free you should pull the battery just in case | |
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2011-Nov-24 12:44 pm
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It's going to suck if you get robbed in the parking lot and have to wait for the phone to boot up before being able to call the police. | |
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2011-Nov-24 2:12 pm
Re: Time to turn of phonesaid by DummyDoob :It's going to suck if you get robbed in the parking lot and have to wait for the phone to boot up before being able to call the police. Thats why you carry a handgun. | |
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2011-Nov-24 5:13 pm
Re: Time to turn of phonesaid by Retired6:said by DummyDoob :It's going to suck if you get robbed in the parking lot and have to wait for the phone to boot up before being able to call the police. Thats why you carry a handgun. ...Yeah, carrying around a loaded handgun without a CCW permit (which is very hard to get in states like California) can get you thrown in prison and not all states or mall management are opencarry friendly. | |
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said by 40757180:I already keep my phone off all the time unless I need to make a phone call, so for me it will not change anything. Not an option for me. | |
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2011-Nov-23 8:31 pm
I don't get it...I don't get it? What's the big deal?? Who cares if they know where I go? Surely not me! They could do the same thing with security cameras and they do in casinos. Too many people get worked up over unimportant things. | |
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2011-Nov-23 10:30 pm
You know...Unless people start standing up to this, you're going to start actually getting "Notifications" on your phone or etc because they'll use the Unique ID to identify what store you're in, and then make a suggestion via smart sync notifications that you should go to this other store and find something similar, this is the worst thing I've ever heard of, it's already bad enough I have to get bombarded with commercials when watching TV, or when I watch a BluRay/DVD, but now I have to get spammed with them on my cell phone while I'm in a mall?!?!?!?!
Really, this is just horrible, I can't believe that more people aren't outraged by this, YES it can be convenient to to know that while you're in the shoe store the store next door can provide you with shoe cleaner, or something else to that nature, but I'm sick and tired of everywhere I go I'm being bombarded with advertisements or commercials, I find it totally offensive......
Certain Android app's already spam you with notifications for updates of their games or whatever, I just can't see how people are ok with this, if people don't start fighting it then in the next 10 years your cell phone is going to be a walking commercial/ad center...
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Re: You know...said by mmay149q:Unless people start standing up to this, you're going to start actually getting "Notifications" on your phone or etc because they'll use the Unique ID to identify what store you're in, and then make a suggestion via smart sync notifications that you should go to this other store and find something similar, this is the worst thing I've ever heard of, it's already bad enough I have to get bombarded with commercials when watching TV, or when I watch a BluRay/DVD, but now I have to get spammed with them on my cell phone while I'm in a mall?!?!?!?!
Matt I was at the mall the other day because I had to get a replacement for a wrench. It had been years since I was in that sears and of course I ended up parking by the doors that leads to the ladies underwear section... If that isn't embarrassing enough, imagine getting bombarded with ads for VS, and other lingerie stores for WEEKS simply because you picked the wrong set of doors to walk into at the mall. For the mean time they say it's all done on unlicensed RF, so keeping wifi and BT turned off in the mall could possibly prevent the tracking. | |
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Have some fun with it...Wouldn't it be great to get a flash mob of cell phone carriers to spend all day going back and forth from the Victorias Secret then to the bathrooms all day long... | |
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Re: Have some fun with it...said by benecewicz:Wouldn't it be great to get a flash mob of cell phone carriers to spend all day going back and forth from the Victorias Secret then to the bathrooms all day long... Or... Keep your old phone. When going one of these malls, charge it up. Hook up with bunches of others to do this: Shop as you normally would but, whenever you see someone else that is participating, swap your old phone with them. Jim | |
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2011-Nov-24 11:08 am
Why should I care..if they track where I am in their malls? It won't cause anything detrimental to me. And it is their mall. If anyone doesn't like it either turn off the phone or don't shop there. I really see no problem with it.
It would be nice if this could be combined with cameras to catch more shoplifters. The people stealing merchandise raises the prices for everyone. | |
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2011-Nov-26 12:55 pm
Re: Why should I care..said by aaronwt:if they track where I am in their malls? It won't cause anything detrimental to me. And it is their mall. If anyone doesn't like it either turn off the phone or don't shop there. I really see no problem with it.
It would be nice if this could be combined with cameras to catch more shoplifters. The people stealing merchandise raises the prices for everyone. Or better yet they stop and escort you off the premises because you just texted or emailed a negative review of a store, item or the mall. Better yet why not just let the government do this so they can know what you do at all times. This is a slippery slope the "private property" argument falls on its face given that the public perceives malls as public spaces with private merchants. This technology won't stop one single shoplifter since all they have to do is turn off their phones. Do you then arrest or ban people for NOT using their cell phones? | |
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Re: Why should I care..said by danclan:Do you then arrest or ban people for NOT using their cell phones? well they could always force every one to get neural implants directly connecting them to the internet for communications and... wait wait, that was done all ready in some tv show (cant remember if it was twilight zone or outerlimits) | |
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2011-Nov-24 8:30 pm
tracking cell phones use in vehicles..I am all for tracking stupid people who use their phones while DRIVING!! I think it's been done anyway like if u get smashed in a car wreck police have a way to pull up a ping to find out if the wreck was caused by the dumbass driver talk/txting on the phone. I plan to sue the shit out of someone if I am it this situation lol I NEVER use the phone while on the road this is what voicemail is for. Cell phones while driving = the new DUI. | |
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2011-Nov-25 1:59 pm
GORNJust get a portable cell phone jammer. $29 and you can ruin their day. | |
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