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One for one match....Hey Google, if you dont want to deal with the aggravation, partner with Verizon. For every billion you invest into Gigabit FiOS FTTH , Verizon will match it | |
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What's the deal?I thought Texas was anti-socialist in it's policies.. oh wait, that's just to the citizenry, not big business. Geographies accepting google's terms of deployment have to co-locate fiber facilities & partially subsidize them with taxpayer dollars. Usually that's not a match for a state that doesn't try to give away taxpayer monies unless it helps them [read: Republicans] politically. | |
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Re: What's the deal?Austin is a sea of blue in a state that is tea of red. | |
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Re: What's the deal?said by Mike:Austin is a sea of blue in a state that is tea of red. As is KC. | |
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Re: What's the deal?So if you want the peoples fiber vote democrat | |
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Then they should come to Columbus, OH were the same way. I'm sure our republican gov will toss some cash at them, he'll just mortgage another state property. Even if that means a Democratic Mayor gets a lil boost for it coming here, since we are the capital of the state. | |
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KC isn't as blue as people make it out to be, once you get out of the inner city. Its more moderate than one might think. | |
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Re: What's the deal?N/S KC more moderate. Central KCMO and KCK are hard hard core blue. I don't think KCMO as a whole or KCK have ever voted GOP. | |
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Re: What's the deal?Thats true, but I look at the city as a whole not just parts. | |
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Re: What's the deal?And as a whole neither KCK or KCMO have voted GOP. But N/S KCMO are somewhat more moderate than central, especially North. Not sure why you brought it up as many blue cities have moderate parts of town. | |
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Austin is one of the blue-est cities in Texas. And it's very pro-business, generally speaking. It's interesting seeing what happens when you have both of the above working in concert. | |
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Re: What's the deal?Among other things, the local tax payer gets increased property taxes because the city council hasn't met a company that it doesn't want to forgive taxes for several years. | |
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said by tmc8080:I thought Texas was anti-socialist in it's policies.. Texas is. Austin isn't. | |
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hmmIf they stopped giving usf funds to att/verizon/whoever else for pretend maintenance cost then they'd have plenty | |
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Re: hmmsaid by decifal7:If they stopped giving usf funds to att/verizon/whoever else for pretend maintenance cost then they'd have plenty This. Screw the telcos, give it to google. They'll put it to good use. | |
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Re: hmmsaid by Duramax08:said by decifal7:If they stopped giving usf funds to att/verizon/whoever else for pretend maintenance cost then they'd have plenty This. Screw the telcos, give it to google. They'll put it to good use. USF is for buildout to high cost rural areas. I don't see google building out 1G fiber to Podunk, TX anytime soon. Let's stick to the subject, shall we? | |
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Re: hmmI think you got the wrong topic, pal. No one is talking about fiber in Podunk, TX. Baby steps first. Lets stick to the subject, shall we? | |
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Re: hmmsaid by Duramax08:I think you got the wrong topic, pal. No one is talking about fiber in Podunk, TX. Baby steps first. Lets stick to the subject, shall we? Have a hard time following along? Like I said, USF is for buildout to high cost rural areas, which google IS NOT DOING. Giving google the money will not accomplish its stated purpose. | |
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YoutubeI wonder if Youtube and Google Maps work worth a hoot on GoogleFiber? | |
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Re: Youtubesaid by ke4pym:I wonder if Youtube and Google Maps work worth a hoot on GoogleFiber? ?? Rhetorical question? | |
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Re: Youtubesaid by FFH5:said by ke4pym:I wonder if Youtube and Google Maps work worth a hoot on GoogleFiber? ?? Rhetorical question? No, it's a legit question. The both suck on TWCable (both commercial and cable modem), TWTelecom, AT&T (both DSL and commercial) and a Charter based cable modem connection. We had a lengthy thread about it over in Time Warner Cable services as well as several threads on Reddit. | |
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Re: Youtubesaid by ke4pym:said by FFH5:said by ke4pym:I wonder if Youtube and Google Maps work worth a hoot on GoogleFiber? ?? Rhetorical question? No, it's a legit question. The both suck on TWCable (both commercial and cable modem), TWTelecom, AT&T (both DSL and commercial) and a Charter based cable modem connection. We had a lengthy thread about it over in Time Warner Cable services as well as several threads on Reddit. I've had U-Verse service; both google maps and Youtube worked fine on my connection. | |
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GMaps works fine on every ISP I've used it with.
YouTube...I feel your pain (I assume you're on TWC?). I'll bet that even 4K video from YouTube (I've streamed it before, albeit not on a monitor capable of viewing it...only 2560x1440) will work great over GFiber since there's no argument over how much the content provider should pay for the ISP's pipes. | |
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Re: YoutubeHowever, it appears Google Fiber is still depending on other carriers for their routes: » bgp.he.net/AS16591I would have expected Google to utilize their existing network for access, but have instead rolled out new ASNs independent from their existing network. Curious to know how well these new ASNs are connected (e.g. peering at exchanges) or if they are mostly relying on carriers such as XO (which is somewhat concerning). | |
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Re: Youtubesaid by BlueC:However, it appears Google Fiber is still depending on other carriers for their routes:
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I would have expected Google to utilize their existing network for access, but have instead rolled out new ASNs independent from their existing network. Keeping it independent makes it easier to sell off one day. On the other hand, if it had been intertwined into Google's own network, then any potential acquirer would have to spend additional money replacing the routes. (Much like Frontier had to do with its ex-Verizon properties.) | |
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they work great on Charter. Might want to upgrade that 1.5mbps DSL line... | |
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Re: Youtubesaid by tiger72:they work great on Charter. Might want to upgrade that 1.5mbps DSL line... You're funny. For the record, I've been packing a D3 connection since 8/2010. Currently provisioned at 30/5. | |
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Re: YoutubeI get 50/10 on my sweet ass Comcast XFinity Whatchamacallit High Speed Cable Internet!! Might want to upgrade that 30/5 D3 line... | |
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KC resident agreesConsidering the extremely slow rollout of KC over the last year I would agree with this 100%. They have not even got all of KCMO on the schedule yet.
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They have the fundsGoogle has around 50 Billion in cash. The difference Google would not have to take a large debit to finance a large roll out. Not saying they would ever do it, but compared to VZ/Comcast/Etc, they wouldn't be burned by huge debit after the roll out. | |
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2013-Apr-9 11:08 am
It takes money...to make money. And delivering broadband isn't exactly a non-profit business (just ask Comcast and Verizon). Join the Google fiber kick-starter now!!! | |
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Google Fiber is Well Worth the WaitOf course, rolling out fiber takes time. It would be cool if Google could just snap their fingers and fiber appears, but that's not how technology works. I for one, will submit my vote for Google Fiber in my neighborhood. Indeed, I have no qualms with the wait time. "...and Google said, Let there be fiber, and "POOF" there was fiber...and the people were grateful for the fiber and the people were happy..." | |
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All doom and gloom...A few counterpoints:
1. We shouldn't be riding on Google to push Fiber out to every city. They don't have the monopoly on gigabit to the home. EPB does it. Sonic does it. UTOPIA based providers do it. Anyone who can get a (relatively inexpensive) 10G pipe and doesn't mind toying with a non-monopoly pricing model on GPON (or ideally XGPON) can do it. No need to wait for Google Fiber to make its way to an area.
2. Google is a publicly held, for-profit, enterprise. As long as cities don't give Google too much preferential treatment (or give other ISPs similar treatment when they ask for it), competing ISPs don't have a leg to stand on to complain, despite the fact that Google Fiber is more competitive than most muni fiber deployments. And they have lawyers who would start a battle royale if AT&T, Comcast, TWC, Verizon et al sought to wall them of from an area.
3. If you're whining about how long it's taking for Google to install Fiber in KC (or, soon, Austin), remember that we're talking about brand new infrastructure here, in existing areas (not greenfield deployments that some fiber providers have been fortunate enough to enjoy). And Google is new to this game; deployments will speed up as they/their contractors have more time to hone their methods.
4. Where do you get "some scattered parts of Austin" from? That's making a big assumption: the assumption that much of Austin won't want GFiber enough to sign up for it in the quantity needed to guarantee installation in their area. In KC, Google adjusted these numbers slightly downward to push customer friendliness even more, so I seriously doubt that there will be large patches of Austin without GFiber, as long as we're talking about areas that are in Google's initial deployment area anyway. The only big question is how far from the city center Google will go with this first wave. | |
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2013-Apr-9 1:24 pm
Re: All doom and gloom...Good points.
I think they key thing is preventing legislation from disallowing private operators to do these kind of builds themselves. A lot of people don't realize that while Google might have success in one market, a different city/state will be a completely different ballgame. Between existing infrastructure (privately-owned fiber, I'd imagine Google has contracted with private operators for dark fiber access rather then bury their own along side, with exception to the last mile), existing municipal constraints, etc. There's a lot of work towards putting fiber in the ground or getting right of ways for aerial.
There are some great options out there for residential symmetrical fiber access, problem is its isolated, but not as isolated as Google fiber. You just don't hear much about these other companies because they are not "Google".
I'd imagine most people would be happy even with 50mbps/50mbps at a reasonable price (sub $60/mo). Very few people will get use of 1gbps, not that we should make excuses, but for most companies 1gbps will need to be priced above $100/mo (just due to middle-mile constraints more than anything) and very few are willing to pay more than $100/mo for internet access.
There's a sweet spot of high speed and reasonable costs. Getting fiber in the ground certainly paves the way for future expansion, and that's what matters most. | |
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Location, Location, LocationWhile we do not have 20 million homes, Long Island is an isolated region which includes the NYC boroughs of Brooklyn and Queens. Of course we already have Cablevision and various areas covered by FiOS. Google would certainly be a welcome addition to those areas without FiOS. | |
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2013-Apr-9 11:44 am
Re: Location, Location, LocationIf Verizon passed them by because they didn't think those areas were worth the effort, then Google will not even consider going there. | |
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2013-Apr-9 11:43 am
Who cares if this doesn't receive massive deployment?i will probably never see fiber where I live. That's considering i live in a decent sized area of near 200k located not to far from a major city.
Even if it takes a few years for KC or Austin, that's better than never. Even if Google supports it for 2 years, that's still better than none at all.
Google has done all the right things so far with their rollouts. Every city they rollout is a win. Most people thought that KC would be a one-time only deal and no other cities would ever be included.
I'm not much of a google fan, but I can applaud the fact that they are at least trying unlike the existing operators. | |
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adsKarl, I think you are wrong in this. Larry Page has said he wants to grow Google to $500+ billion company. Page can achieve this with Fiber. Google's revenue (95%) is from Internet advertising. TV advertising is bigger than online text/image ads. Currently, TV ads have terrible ROI for advertisers. Google Fiber can deliver better targeting for TV, thus improving advertisers' ROI. With personalized and localized data, online and TV ads will be better targeted. The gold mine is not in the subscription money (covers infrastructure/maintenance), but in the advertising money (profit). The build out cost is huge, but the pay off makes financial sense. Give Google some time, they are still learning to cost effectively and efficiently build Fiber. | |
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2013-Apr-9 12:04 pm
Possible buyConsidering Verizon wants to take their wireless part of the company. It would be great if google bought The Fios network from VZ. After all Verizon has stated numerous times that they don't want any part of the wireline business anymore , Fios included that why they stopped expanding it | |
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Everyone knows....Google is not going to wire the whole US.. They will probably just wire in spots, to which I am fine with that. If they don't do my area, I can still get internet. | |
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still nothing in the Bay Area?Wish Google would take up some fibre closer to home, too. There's practically no fast residential internet anywhere in the Bay Area.
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Well that didn't take longAT&T Announces Intent to Build 1 Gigabit Fiber Network in Austin » www.prnewswire.com/news- ··· 751.htmlRelevant passage: "AT&T's expanded fiber plans in Austin anticipate it will be granted the same terms and conditions as Google on issues such as geographic scope of offerings, rights of way, permitting, state licenses and any investment incentives. I assume google's contract with the City of Austin is a public record' so AT&T s/b to "opt-in" as it were to exactly the same terms & conditions. | |
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What was to realize?Google said it from the beginning this was not going to be rolled out but in select locations. | |
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They'll keep rolling out... slowly. They'll keep going to places that are friendly to them, and are medium-density. Manhattan would be basically impossible to wire, and so would the middle of nowhere. | |
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Middle georgia fiber wanted badly!!I live in the middle georgia area where I know what a monopoly feels like cox commincations is the one,yes them!! I would gladly pay a connection/construction fee of $500 at my home if google were to offer their service in my area I know a lot of people that would gladly pay this amount!!! Put it this way I would get google Internet so fast that I would have two providers that day cox and google fiber...... » www.fiber4middlega.org/» www.fiber4middlega.org/i ··· ions.pdfGoogle are you listening these are the people that are complaining and more in the cox area and want you here!!! » maps.google.com/maps/ms? ··· 800f0cff | |
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