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Mount Airy, MD | And? Lower the price. Then you get customers.
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kudos:4 | Re: And? said by sharksfan3:said by pnh102:Lower the price. Then you get customers. Duh. Exactly. The first and last time I used inflight wifi was during the google promotion. No way in hell I will pay $15 for 3 hours or so of internet access. I can wait till I reach my destination. So will most people as long as the cost isn't FREE. The only people who may be willing to pay will be frequent business flyers who will write the cost off on their expense accounts.
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3 edits | Re: And? said by MrMaster:Who charges $15 a flight? GoGo is $9.99 a flight. Both my wife and I love in flight wifi. We can get so much work accomplished. The key there is "work". I wish ALL planes were equipped with it. Unfortunately many of these stupid CRJ's don't have it. Look at it this way: you rarely get free wifi at a nice hotel. It's usually $10 a day while cheaper hotels offer it for "free". People still pay it because it goes on the business account. That's how the airlines are treating this. Is it the right way to market wifi in-flight? Not sure. Even for personal use, I'll gladly pay $10 for a several hour flight for internet access. At $10 for a long flight is more than worth it to stay connected.
Plus when on vacation, I've had to pay as much as $20 a day for internet access at the hotel. And I always pay it if I can't get a signal with my virgin mobile cellular modem. | |
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| | | | | said by MrMaster:Who charges $15 a flight? GoGo is $9.99 a flight. They must have changed their pricing then... It was like 9.99 for PDA access the last time I flew Virgin. | |
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| Re: And? said by sharksfan3:said by MrMaster:Who charges $15 a flight? GoGo is $9.99 a flight. They must have changed their pricing then... It was like 9.99 for PDA access the last time I flew Virgin. Sorry, no Virgin airlines near me.
Also, some planes do have power jacks below the seats. The last Jetblue flight had plug-ins below the seats. I believe that was an Airbus plane.
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| said by sharksfan3:said by pnh102:Lower the price. Then you get customers. Duh. Exactly. The first and last time I used inflight wifi was during the google promotion. No way in hell I will pay $15 for 3 hours or so of internet access. I can wait till I reach my destination. I think my problem is the 3 hours part of it. I would pay $15 for internet, provided I have access to it through the entire flight. I am on 12-hour flights every now and then back and forth across the atlantic, and I would want to use the internet.... but not if I have to fork over my credit card 3 times a flight.
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| |  NightfallMy Goal Is To Deny YoursPremium,MVM
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| Re: And? said by Camelot One:said by pnh102:Lower the price. Then you get customers. Duh. Agreed. It's not for lack of want, they've just priced it too damn high for normal people to be willing to pay. I also agree. If the price was $5, I would be more apt to jump on it. For $15 though, I will wait until I land. Especially for a 2 hour flight. The last flight I took to New Orleans, which was 2 hours, I had the option to get this and I refused. I simply had other things I could read, listen to, or do that I didn't have to pay more money for.
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Sitting on a plan for 2 hours and getting 2 hours of rest/sleep - priceless. | |
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| | | | | | Re: And? said by averagedude:Getting to the air port several hours in advance to go through security and all the hassles associated with that. Sitting on a plan for 2 hours and getting 2 hours of rest/sleep - priceless. Agree. I'm usually flying coached, where I'm jammed in there with people climbing over and bumping into me, the last thing I want to do is try and pull-out a laptop which can easily get damaged. Besides, there's no power outlets in coach flights I've taken. If I want to use a laptop, I'll do it in the airport terminal. While in a plane, I'll attempt to find a comfortable position to get some rest. Forget the laptop, WiFi or no WiFi. | |
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| said by pnh102:Lower the price. Then you get customers. Duh. In addition: Quit charging (nickel and diming) fliers for everything that used to come standard on a flight. Carry on bag fees + Pillow and blanket fees + Meal fees = no more money left over for your stinkin' overpriced wifi service. A--holes! 
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|  DrModemPremium
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kudos:1 | said by pnh102:Lower the price. Then you get customers. Duh. This.
Why do I want to pay $15-$20 for 3 hours of wifi?
Make a pay as you go $1 an hour option for up to like 5 hours and I'll bite. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | dont forget that aircraft lack power jacks too, what good is that wifi if you gotta run on batteries.
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| | | | Re: And? said by Kearnstd:dont forget that aircraft lack power jacks too, what good is that wifi if you gotta run on batteries. Even using wifi, my Acer Timeline would run about 7 hours on battery, and that was the "standard" not the "extended" battery. So that isn't really an issue. | |
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| Make it more avaliable! I took a total of four flights in June with AA. None of the 4 flights had WiFi. I flew from Miami to Vegas, LA to Hawaii, and then the return trip from Hawaii to LA and LA to Miami. All decently long flights (almost 5 hours each) that I wouldn't mind paying $15 for WiFi on a couple of them. | |
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| Re: Though it will still be a $95 ***BILLION*** industry in 2010 said by nokiatech:Might be time to hire an editor Karl. I saw that too.
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| | | Re: Power? I tend to use my netbook on plane, which has an 8 hour battery. My work laptop gets 5, which is enough. | |
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New Orleans, LA | I figured the first real expansion stage would be ridiculously high priced
We all should expect them to reach for the skies before understanding that nobody else is....
I would be willing to pay a few bucks if on a plane for hours....but that is it....nothing more | |
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join:2003-08-11
Hilliard, OH | Need to tell people about it! The issue I see is they don't bother to tell you they have wifi on your flight! The first time I flew with WiFi (southwest) they kept telling us over and over...and at least 30 people looked like they were using it.
Last 2 flights I had with WiFi (USAIR) I happened to just stumble across it because I accidentally left my wireless on. | |
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join:2009-12-04
Saint Louis, MO | Many problems Current problems:
1.) Unavailable on many flights.
2.) Not even mentioned when it is available.
3.) Not easy to find out if it will be available on the next leg of your trip (should I get a day pass?)
4.) Too costly.
5.) No power jacks. Why would I pay $15 for wifi when I'm only going to be able to use it for 2.5 hours before my battery runs out. | |
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| | No benefit for the airlines Hardly anyone is going to choose their airline based on the availability of free WiFi. So there's no reason for the airlines to provide it. | |
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Bedford, TX | said by Bobcat:Hardly anyone is going to choose their airline based on the availability of free WiFi. So there's no reason for the airlines to provide it. Surveys of business travelers say otherwise.
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join:2004-09-04
East Lansing, MI | Power As this service becomes more and more popular, people are demanding power at their seats. If I'm flying cross-country (which I do just about every month), I'm limited to about 2 1/2 hours of battery. Often times I don't get a direct flight, so I have a stop-over in MSP or ORD or some place like that -- which often have a severe lacking of power there too.
Additionally, if I have to take multiple flights, the WiFi access is only good for each individual flight -- not the series of them. I'm not going to pay $10 for the first leg, and $10 for the second one, $7.99 for the 3 hour stay at the airport (assuming the first leg isn't delayed, causing me to mis the second leg, etc.) | |
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| I would use it but no room... The last few flights that i have been on offered it, I may of used it, I was rather bored, however I couldn't open my laptop because there was not enough room.
Perhaps other people don't have this problem, but unless you have a netbook I don't know if it would even be possible to do much of anything. | |
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Sandy, UT | Re: I would use it but no room... Every flight over 2 hours I buy it. Love it, a little overprice, yes, but still nice
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| I have nearly had my laptop crushed several times when the passenger in front of me tilted their seat back. Their just was not any physical room to "work" on anything in a productive manner. I simply just gave up trying to get anything productive done. Once I did that, it was like a weight was lifted and I just sat back an relaxed and recharged my human batteries. | |
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Banks, OR | Yup. I use it on AA when I get upgraded to First, since there's room to use a laptop and every seat has a power port.
Back in cattle-car class, though, it's useless. Bring back more legroom in coach and then I might use it. | |
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| Airlines have yet to decide... If they want to offer wifi as a "luxury extra" or see it as a "necessary evil" that they have to absorb as part of the costs of doing business and making sure there are paying fannies in the seats.
With the range of options available other than flying however, I would think that the airlines would be trying to lure people in with free service, get people so used to it that it becomes a part of the flying experience for many and then say:
"Due to the unxpected success of inflight wifi we have encountered larger than expected costs and need to recoup them"
I think that would go a lot farther with the public than how they are approaching it now 
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kudos:3 | Re: Airlines have yet to decide... said by NefCanuck:If they want to offer wifi as a "luxury extra" or see it as a "necessary evil" that they have to absorb as part of the costs of doing business and making sure there are paying fannies in the seats. With the range of options available other than flying however, I would think that the airlines would be trying to lure people in with free service, get people so used to it that it becomes a part of the flying experience for many.... The same has been said in the past for the food, baggage, snacks, pillows, blankets, entertainment, and the bathroom (I believe Ryan Air charges for it now?)
Internet isn't part of the experience.. as people have said, it's a luxury.
I don't see a problem with charging for it and I don't see that it should ever be free for a long time to come. It's still expensive to provide, is very much a limited resource, and they do need to recoup the costs to provide this.
Right now, as I see it, the service is largely for business travelers. If the leisure traveler wants it then it's 100% purely entertainment purposes. The same thing happened with cellular data cards when they came out. Personal users hardly ever purchased them becuase it was such a limited resource, brand new and had costs to recoup, and they couldn't have every personal end user flooding the network so it was marketed and priced primarily to business users.
As time goes on, the service will most likely drop in price big time or even become free. However, there's bound to be another round of equipment installation or upgrades as the technology improves as they always do. Capacity will increase, speeds, etc. I don't see this really becoming much of a free or low cost service for years to come.
Airlines are turning everything about the flight into an ala cart option to the customer which I personally like. Ever since they started charging for bags the average cost of my ticket has done down as many time I don't bring bags with me for a short business trip and the price of a ticket, for me, has dropped from about $450 to about $220.
As for food, there were many flights that they would book food for every passenger and not all of them would take it. There was a lot of wasted $$ in food that was tossed away as well.
There is a show that comes on MSNBC every now and then.. "A week in the life of American Airlines".. it's a good show and explains how what many people think is SOOO little in expense adds up to millions in savings a year, not to mention, some flights only net a couple hundred dollars when the plane reaches it's destination.
The weight of the magazines they carry, the amount of water they carry, the full fuel tanks of the past, even over weight passengers all add up to millions a year in costs.
For all of this, I'm not sure how people see WiFi as any different. It costs a lot of money. Its amazing how some people feel they need the internet every moment of their day.. it's turned into some kind of drug for people.
A user said it best further up the page.. we got along with out internet years ago, we can do the same for a few hours. Just like cell phones, there is a time when its just time to disconnect from the world and relax a little.
What I think that NEEDS to be done is they have to get better and more efficient at selling it. They need to identify the flight that has internet available.. or, simply sell the access for a reasonable price in blocks of 8 hours which should be long enough to get you through both legs of connecting flights. It CAN cost someone upwards to $30 for internet considering both legs and the airport if they use it and have various providers. The cost is WAY too high even for business users.
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Lincolnshire, IL | Airlines are coming at this from a $$$ perspective... And are only looking for a way for WiFi to become a profit center on it's own. If they can't make it work, they won't add the weight to the planes and just not offer it. And it may stay the way it is now, with some routes offering it while others don't.
From what I can tell, Airlines just don't see WiFi as enough of a value add to net a gain in customers and offset either losses or profit expectations. And they've tightened bookings and flights enough so most flights are full in any case.
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| | Sloowwww.... I flew last month from West Palm to Chicago, with a stop in Atlanta. The first problem here is that you have to pay for each segment you fly on Delta, which seems like a rip-off.
Still, I was bored, so I sprung for it, in hopes of catching up on some tv on hulu and fancast. The connection was so slow that my browser spent most of the time buffering. It was a total waste of money. If it was a good connection and I could stream video to pass the time, I'd spend the money, but I felt pretty much ripped off. | |
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kudos:1 | Movies + music + games: all set. That is all I need on my laptop and other portable devices to get through any flight.
For me being a few hours without internet is no biggie. I sure as hell wouldn't pay for it. | |
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| | In flight Wi-fi I will never pay for in-flight wi-fi. It's just ridiculous. Can't people go without checking their email or getting a stock report for an hour or two? Flight time is time to relax. Go over you're game plan. Take a break from the office, have a snack, listen to some music. The internet, your files, your email and stock reports will all be there when you get off the plane. I always laugh when I see people plying with their cell phones in airports.... Here's what I see....
Someone gets to the drop off curb. They check their phone. They rush to the counter to stand in line and.. check their phone. While standing in line they... check their phone again. They get ticketed and check in their lugage and head towards the gate. On the way they get on the people mover, put their things down and... check their phone. While walking the final 300 yards to the gate they stop to readjust everything they're carryinh and..... check their phone. Once at the gate they look around for a power outlet, plug in their laptop, check their phone and.... go online. When the flight is called it's a rush to pack everything up and get in line. Once on the plane they stow everything and sit down and... check their phone. As they sit there they make a call to tell someone they're on the plane. When the flight attendent says they have to turn off their equipment they.... check they're phone before turning it on.
Back on the ground while taxiing to the gate they... check their phone to see if anything came in while it was off. As soon as they can they call someone to tell them they've landed and head for baggage. While standing there they make three more calls and... check their phone. Now heading over to pick up the rental they check their phone on the shuttle bus. As soon as they get to the car they... plug in their phone. On the way to the hotel theck make three more calls. Once at the hotel they check in, go upstairs and... plug in their phone and set up the laptop and go online. They make three more calls and head out for dinner with a client. On the way back from dinner they call two people to tell them about the client and of course go online when they get to their room. Finally just before bed they... check their phone.
Geez people. Give it a rest! | |
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| | I Love It! I fly with Wifi and my iPad... it does not get much better! Being able to just pull the iPad out of the seat pocket and doing email, surfing the web, and I have loaded some texting apps- so I can text people from 30,000 feet.
I hope this does not go the way of the GTE airphone!
If I had to drag my laptop out... I agree with everyone.. It's not worth the trouble! | |
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| | Wanted to connect but couldnt I just took a trip to Turkey on Delta and expected that there would be internet on such a long flight but that did not happen on both legs of the trip... i think more aircraft need to be equipped with WiFi especially on long trips... I really dont care if the price is 10 dollars for a trip or for a 24 hr period i just like to stay connected to business and family.. 10 dollars for a 10 hour trip is well worth the distraction of sitting in those uncomfortable seats. | |
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Bedford, TX | Re: Wanted to connect but couldnt said by undergod1:I just took a trip to Turkey on Delta and expected that there would be internet on such a long flight but that did not happen on both legs of the trip... i think more aircraft need to be equipped with WiFi especially on long trips... I really dont care if the price is 10 dollars for a trip or for a 24 hr period i just like to stay connected to business and family.. 10 dollars for a 10 hour trip is well worth the distraction of sitting in those uncomfortable seats. Most airlines have gone with air to ground based internet service providers rather than the much more expensive air to satellite internet service providers. No ground stations on over water flights which is why you had no WiFi.
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| | You pay - I surf... We get on the plane and once up in the air we're told we can pull out our devices and surf the web. You log in & pay the wifi charge. I wait - about 5 minutes. I connect to the network and pull up the "pay" page, but don't enter any information. Now I boot up my MAC address scanner and scan for active MAC clients. Oooh... so many to choose from... I pick one. Now I fire up my MAC address spoofing application. I disconnect from the airplane wireless. I change my MAC address to match yours (or any one of the many I copied down when I was connected). I now reconnect to the network. This time it tells me I'm good to go! No payment needed because you already have!
At first page loads (data usage) is sporadic because we're both communicating with the gateway simultaneously and confusing the hell out of the thing. After about 5-10 minutes of this though you get pissed off, give up, and shut down your device. I surf for free!! Yay! (Tried and verified on Virgin Airlines.) | |
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kudos:3 | Re: You pay - I surf... said by SprintNextel:I pick one. Now I fire up my MAC address spoofing application. I disconnect from the airplane wireless. I change my MAC address to match yours (or any one of the many I copied down when I was connected). That would explain all the doggie p0rn from www.badpuppy.com got sent to *my* MAC addy while on that flight. | |
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| Air Canada Used GoGo on an Air Canada flight to California last february. It was a cool novelty and was able to send pictures from the plane to a forum "live" (but unable to send movies, it gets "throttled" down when you start to transmit too much).
What I found interesting is that on the return flight, the system was not enabled. Flight attendants had no explanation, they were just told to not enable the system for flights bound to Canada.
$10 for a 5 hour flight is pricy but within acceptable limits when you consider cost of food on an aircraft or at an airport. Certaintly wouldn't pay this for a shorter flight, unless I was late with a document which really had to be sent before I landed.
On the other hand, the fact that some flights may have it enabled while others not makes this an unrealiable service, so you can't really count on it. | |
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