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| One wonders about at&t... The BlackBerry Bold, the first HSDPA (though not the first 3G if you count UMTS) BlackBerry, has been released in Canada and Europe, but not in America, reportedly because at&t wants RIMM to improve the reception... it makes one wonder about at&t's US network quality, perhaps. | |
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... The problem with UMTS/HSDPA is that it was designed for a European environment where spectrum auctions take into account which technologies must be deployed on them, while in the US spectrum is auctioned off in a less organized fashion and companies can use different technologies. The main reason CDMA EV-DO is better deployed is because it only requires 1.25Mhz channels (IIRC), though it only does data and not voice. | |
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... It was designed for a global environment, however, the U.S. does not always have the same spectrum availability as other countries do. Also, many companies prefer to cut costs where possible, while many other nations have spectrum mandate due to high government regulation of the wireless industry.
I agree that 1.25MHz channels are a nicer fit than the relatively huge 5MHz channels used by WCDMA/UMTS
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| said by en102  :AT&T needs to improve its 3G capacity. Have there been many complaints about AT&T's 3G service, outside of its general range, outside of issues reported with the iPhone 3G?
I wonder if the iPhone is highlighting a larger problem with AT&T or if this is just a problem with the iPhone.
FWIW I have 2 3G phones (an HTC 8525 and Samsung Blackjack 2) and when we use AT&T's 3G service everything works just fine.
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... As spectrum and use vary from market to market, so does the issue. Some markets may have +65MHz of spectrum to use (eg. parts of Texas and Florida), while others have to deal with much less, and try to fit the relatively large 3G spectrum requirements in and not kill off GSM users at the same time.
A minimum for 3G is 10MHz (5MHz paired).
In an area such as L.A., currently providing 10MHz of 3G + 35MHz of GSM... another 10MHz will bring an almost 50/50 balance between 3G and GSM... Ok for 3G, but lets hope that there's nearly 50% of the devices on 3G, or there will be some crying on the other side.
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... Interesting. Thanks for the detailed explanation. This sounds like a problem that might "solve itself" per se as the more GSM handsets that AT&T replaces with 3G devices would push AT&T to replace GSM-only cells with 3G cells.
In the mean time... maybe the people who use the iPhone in the areas you describe should try jailbreaking and T-Mobile.
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Valencia, CA | Re: One wonders about at&t... Why... EDGE on AT&T or EDGE on T-Mobile... no advantage
T-Mobile's 3G runs on a unique 3G spectrum 1700/2100 (not the global 2100MHz listed on the iPhone).
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... said by en102 :T-Mobile's 3G runs on a unique 3G spectrum 1700/2100 (not the global 2100MHz listed on the iPhone). Duh. I totally forgot about that. I guess those people will be SOL.
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... said by djdanska :Unless your one of those people who think that the 3g iphone has the ability of tmo 3g. Some might say I am insane. But even I am not crazy enough to purchase a iPhone of any flavor.
Not at full price anyway. If I can get a working original one on ebay for $10 I would consider it.
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| said by en102 :AT&T needs to improve its 3G capacity. AT&T doesn't care.
They know they've got iPhone Users locked into their two year agreement. So it'll be at least another year before they might do anything.
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... said by en102 :I agree... fund future upgrades with current contracted customers (iPhone). People have been able to use poor quality service as a way to get out of their contracts without paying an ETF though, even after the 15 or 30 day trial period (I forget what it is for AT&T but I have it linked in my previous posts).
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... said by pnh102 :said by en102 :I agree... fund future upgrades with current contracted customers (iPhone). People have been able to use poor quality service as a way to get out of their contracts without paying an ETF though, even after the 15 or 30 day trial period (I forget what it is for AT&T but I have it linked in my previous posts). It can be done, but it takes some time.
My wife and I drive the same routes to work, and would sometimes have 10+ calls where one of us could not hear the other person, so we would hang up and redial. The coverage map on AT&T's site showed no gaps, even down to the most detailed areas.
When I called in, they had alot of the calls as user terminated instead of dropped, which TECHNICALLY they are user terminated since we could not hear the other person. I asked them to note why we would hang up, then dial the same number back so many times if the connection was fine. That got through to them.
They did a site survey along the routes we took, and we stopped hanging up when the calls were one way and let it drop on it's own. After about 2 months they were stumped as to why it would happen, and offered to let us port the numbers out without an ETF.
When we looked at Verizon's plans, there was just not enough to make us move. Just a note that it can be done with some persistence.
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... said by ptrowski :After about 2 months they were stumped as to why it would happen, and offered to let us port the numbers out without an ETF. When we looked at Verizon's plans, there was just not enough to make us move. Just a note that it can be done with some persistence. That's good that this worked for you. At least there is some glimmer of hope for people locked in as you once were.
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| Companies like AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, etc can actually get some major fines for lying about coverage areas.
I don't know who specifically, but if you are listed as in a covered area and do not get service - call.
My boss' house was listed as covered. You could not get service at the end of his driveway. A couple calls to AT&T and they had a truck out there to do a site survey. The tech had no signal....surprise. 3 days later my boss' whole property was lit up. I know of two other people with similar situations. | |
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| Re: One wonders about at&t... said by fcisler :Companies like AT&T, Verizon, Sprint, etc can actually get some major fines for lying about coverage areas. I don't know who specifically, but if you are listed as in a covered area and do not get service - call. My boss' house was listed as covered. You could not get service at the end of his driveway. A couple calls to AT&T and they had a truck out there to do a site survey. The tech had no signal....surprise. 3 days later my boss' whole property was lit up. I know of two other people with similar situations. They did mentioning doing a site survery and checking each tower. I wonder if that was what happened. | |
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| Tune up the band wrapped in the flag to excuse the poor performance of networks here vs overseas. Perhaps I can save a few posts:
"Commies"
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| Re: yipee If you say anything bad about Apple you must be a Microsoft fanboy? How do those two connect? I mean, isn't much more likely that the ones complaining would be the HP, lenovo, or Dell fanboys? A lot of Mac users now buy Windows thanks to Boot Camp and the Intel transition, and Microsoft Office is still the most common Mac office software suite as far as I know. | |
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| Re: yipee ATT 3G works just fine from me. Pretty fast as well. I think this whole obsession with iphone 3g is absurd. THere's plenty of flaws on HTC.s pocket pcs, blackberry's and everything in between. The only reason why we're alking about iphone and 3g is beyond me.
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