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Jacksonville, FL | Re: Perplexed... Because Irony and Comedy are cornerstones of Mark Cuban news. Plus its always fun to watch folks like him say "The End Is Nigh!". In fact, it would be funnier if he stood on a street corner with a big sign that said "The Internet End is Nigh!" | |
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| |  N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: Perplexed... The internet isn't dead, it just grew up.
Mark Cuban doesn't find the Internet exciting anymore because instead of being a curiosity, it's become a part of every day life.
The Internet most certainly is not dead. Most local newspapers are scrambling to save their ass, as Internet based news is eating their lunch. There pretty much isn't a transaction whether it's with your bank, your school, your favorite merchant you can't complete on line.
Rumor's of the Internets death has been greatly exaggerated...
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|  MysticGogetaThe Robot DevilPremium
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League City, TX | Perhaps he should be in religion preaching end of the internet then judgment.
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|  CoronaIt's cool, I'm takin it backPremium
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Dallas, TX | said by benecewicz:And we give a rats ass of what Mark Cuban says, why........??? q f t | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
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Mullica Hill, NJ | if the internet is so dead then why do MMOs have higher numbers of people on them at primetime then many of MC's HD channels.
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Manassas, VA | yes He's a very smart man.
Needless to say, he's right. | |
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Elbonia | Re: yes obligatory:
"The internet? Is that thing still around?" -- Homer Simpson
said by jose3030:He's a very smart man. Needless to say, he's right.
Well actually, as you can see from the other reactions in this thread, it's not so obvious. Or maybe you were being sardonic?
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He went on to say that there is nothing exciting about the current Internet and that it is necessary to upgrade to a 1 gigabyte per second minimum platform to re-energize it.
That would be nice. How does he propose to make this happen? The big ISPs seem more interested in squeezing customers than building improvements - unless there happens to be competition in a service area. Then they increase capacity just enough to compete, and no more.
If there's some way to make "big bandwidth for everyone" the goal instead of "protect greedy oligopolies" then I would be for it too. But this guy isn't telling us what it would be. | |
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1 edit | Re: yes said by swhx7:That would be nice. How does he propose to make this happen? The big ISPs seem more interested in squeezing customers than building improvements - unless there happens to be competition in a service area. Then they increase capacity just enough to compete, and no more. If there's some way to make "big bandwidth for everyone" the goal instead of "protect greedy oligopolies" then I would be for it too. But this guy isn't telling us what it would be. I think you miss the entire point of his argument. I suppose it was more implied though.
What I believe he means is that new things are slow to emerge and that huge leaps of entertainment and technology on the internet (like when YouTube appeared) do not seem to be occurring any more.
This can have many factors; He didn't seem to explain it all, but seemed to be hinting at it.
First off, internet speed. Could we use more speed? Sure, we can always use more speed! Is it going to happen? Most-likley very s-l-o-w-l-y. Costs are coming down, but apparently not fast enough for ISPs to keep up with growing demand. Corporate greed is also a factor.
Secondly, technology. JavaScript is becoming heavily used on the internet. Unfortunately it is a single-threaded, slow programming language. It may be a while before a replacement is finally adopted by all (or at least most) browser. Microsoft may have got the speed thing right with ActiveX, but it never took off because of poor implementation. It is not implemented on other browsers (for MANY good reasons) and it is typically a huge security hole. There is also Flash. New things are appearing now and then, but also has some bugs and does not work well on certain platforms.
Thirdly, but least importently, the internet itself. Many have hinted at a complete remake of the internet. Eventually it will occur. Hell, our current one was made back when 10 kilobits was a standard and fiber-optics were a pipe-dream in it's initial development!
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Mullica Hill, NJ | Re: yes the main sucky thing with java is that it is a system hog even on a nice system. Microsoft's Java VM is far better then the sun plugin and yet MS for some silly reason stopped offering it.
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Huntsville, AL | Re: yes That silly reason was the legal department of Sun Microsystems. When the agreement for Microsoft to us the sun developed part of the software expired it was not renewed.
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Elbonia | Each new, popular internet application makes a smaller splash now that so much has been done. Improvement will be evolutionary, not revolutionary now. But this is far from "the internet is dead". Cuban himself says he relies on a lot of websites every day. He was more reasonable when he said that it's now taken for granted, and no longer exciting as when it was new - but this does not make it less essential, more like the reverse.
He complains about bandwidth because he's wanting to sell video online. Well, companies are doing that, and DRM has been more of an obstacle than bandwidth.
Going beyond this businessman's remarks: It's true that HTTP and Javascript are not the best building blocks for the online applications that you allude to - but neither is proprietary crud like ActiveX and Flash. For similar reasons, a "remade" internet would be made worthless by corporate control, censorship and DRM. The only way forward is open standards, open software, neutral traffic carriage, competition in ISPs. It's more a political than a technical issue now. | |
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| | | | | | Re: yes said by swhx7:Going beyond this businessman's remarks: It's true that HTTP and Javascript are not the best building blocks for the online applications that you allude to - but neither is proprietary crud like ActiveX and Flash. For similar reasons, a "remade" internet would be made worthless by corporate control, censorship and DRM. The only way forward is open standards, open software, neutral traffic carriage, competition in ISPs. It's more a political than a technical issue now. I never said that HTML, JS, ActiveX, or Flash were good. In the future, yes, we will require something else, but for now HTML works well. JavaScript is a good language, just needs a bit more tweaking and to be made faster (multi-threaded) so that it does not slow down the browsers. Also, IE needs to join the crowd. It is the slowest browser in history. It only supports JS ver 1.3 (whereas most others support 1.7 with 1.9 coming with Firefox 3 and upcoming Opera). JS seems to run MUCH slower on IE overall.
As for Flash, well it is getting old but we can let it progress. The good thing about this is that Microsoft is coming out with a competitor and Novell is producing an open-sourced version (for Linux/UNIX). Competition is good and I am glad it is finally coming to the Flash scene.
ActiveX... should DIE. It is only used by MS and an ever shrinking number of companies. It started out VERY buggy and with huge gaping security holes. Today, it isn't that much better. Besides that it is only supported by IE (for the reasons listed above and others), and therefore many people using other browsers now will not be able to use it anyway so they will be limiting their customer base.
A 'remade' internet can be done through standards and with minimal government and company interference and will become increasingly required as technology advances. It just needs to be done right.
Corporate control... there are so many.. who would control it anyway??? This fact along would negate that problem as they would just end up in some never-ending debate over who should have control of the internet. Not only that it would make customers very unhappy if the great firewall of china were to be created elsewhere.
DRM... well it's only available on Windows (and to an extent Mac) anyway. Not that much of a problem. Needs to die anyway.
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| quote:
He's a very smart man.
Needless to say, he's right.
Oh, see, you're one of those folks with the mistaken thinking that "rich" equals "smart".
Oh, if only that were true. Too bad reality is far, far from that. | |
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Mullica Hill, NJ | a truely open internet will never be allowed by our Corporate Overlords who feel things like DRM still work.
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Somebody let me know when that happens. | |
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kudos:2 | BBR New Feature Is there a new feature that justin  can implement that allows me to block ALL news about Mark Cuban?
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Dracut, MA | If internet is dead.. how come he insists on doing online interviews? | |
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Corpus Christi, TX | Re: If internet is dead.. said by Ebolla:how come he insists on doing online interviews? ... So you can't see him looking up the answers at google.com! | |
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North Babylon, NY | This is not news...slow day Karl? | |
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| Re: This Seriously. I mean, what's he supposed to do, go burn down an orphanage so we have something to talk about? Yeesh.
Don't like it? Submit your own breaking news then. | |
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Limbo | Re: This said by Thaler:Seriously. I mean, what's he supposed to do, go burn down an orphanage so we have something to talk about? Karl would be going well beyond the call of duty if he were willing to do that. . .
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| | What a miserable individual Ever since Dallas lost in the NBA finals and then lost in the first round against Golden State Mark Cuban has become incredibly miserable! | |
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| | Here is one mistake by Mark Cuban What he is proposing here was already stopped once before.
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L.G.: Has buying a distribution company and a chain of 57 theaters worked out well thus far?
M.C.: Yep. They are making money, and they give us the unique opportunity to control our product. No other studio can do a nationwide sneak preview of their movies like we can because no other studio owns a national theater chain.
They don't own theaters because it is illegal.
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| N3OGHYo Soy Col. "Bat" GuanoPremium
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kudos:1 | Re: Here is one mistake by Mark Cuban WOW, I never knew that.
It's "fun fact Friday!!"
No sarcasm, BTW, I really did not know that.....
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| | | | Re: Here is one mistake by Mark Cuban United Artists Studios used to own United Artists Theaters (whom I used to work for.) | |
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kudos:18 | OMG! Would someone PLEASE shoot this fool?  | |
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join:2007-01-11 | Dead Internet = HDNET!?? Please! oh Please! Don't let this ass-clown buy the Cubs! 
This guy is yet more proof that brains and money don't always go hand in hand!  | |
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| | The wheels fall off.. He's proven to be above average or better at managing business ventures. However, the minute he opens his mouth, the hilarity usually ensues. | |
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| | Here's the Message "Mark Cuban is trying hard to convince people (advertisers and investors, particularly) that broadband video and online distribution is not a threat to traditional broadcast networks"
Which is basically the same tune he's been singing all along in order to pacify investors. The problem is, as I and others have said here, that the real threat to his HD network isn't live HDTV through the internet, it's non-linear HDTV through the internet.
People already have shown they like to watch their programs on their own terms, so appointment TV is dead. And when you have all the time in the world, non-linear HDTV becomes a very real threat to his network because the programs trickle in and are ready for viewing whenever they show up. The metrics on viewer demographics and viewing habits make this a much more attractive distribution medium to advertisers than traditional broadcasts. This is the threat Cuban is trying to deflect from the people who have put money into his venture.
The irony is that the only reason he's worth billions is because he pioneered linear broadcasting through the internet. Now he's saying that model is not only dead, the internet itself is dead. I guess the logical follow-up question is whether or not he admits selling Yahoo an empty bag. | |
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Belvedere Tiburon, CA | Just Wishful Thinking said by clickie:"Mark Cuban is trying hard to convince people (advertisers and investors, particularly) that broadband video and online distribution is not a threat to traditional broadcast networks".... Amen to that thought. It's mere wishful thinking on Cuban's part.
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| | Last one out shut off the lights... Well, if Mark Cuban say it, then it must be true. After all, he knows more than all of the companies and individuals using and making money off of the Internet, right? (Excuse me while I towel off, I'm just dripping with sarcasm here.  ) | |
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| | Just another jack ass scared He is simply trying to protect his fortune(s) which he in-visions the internet as direct competition and must go.
F--- him.
The internet is alive and well and growing.
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| | Preach it, brother! Please continue to believe that, Mr. Cuban. And please throw money into fiber optic investments. I want the Interweb wired directly into my PCI slot using fiber... better yet, I want it wired directly into my SATA port. 1GB/sec FTW! Oh, SATA supports 3.0GB? WE NEED FASTER! r@wk! idfjgoidfhguiahsdfiuh!
Anyone who believes that the Internet is dead needs a serious wake-up call. Hell, there's a news post 2 down from this one stating that a new Flash player supports H.264. Sounds like he's bitter to me. | |
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Birmingham, AL | Mark ...who Who is Mark Cuban...?
Yeah...and the green people, just landed in my backyard... | |
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| Re: Mark ...who said by rsa0:Who is Mark Cuban...? I honestly don't know..this forum is the only place I see his name......And I'm not complaining about that  | |
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| Mark Cuban the internet is NOT dead. Mark Cuban the internet is NOT dead.
1. More people surf today then ever before.
2. It's an excellent source of information, entertainment, etc.
3. I don't always need video in HD format.
4. Only America is falling behind in Fiber deployment other countries are doing the right thing and investing in the technology.
5. Eventually we will get fiber and faster Wireless internet.
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| Hes got a point Face it, if the internet WAS so damned interesting, you wouldnt be reading this now ,would you?
And thanks for 7 seconds of your life that you will never get back. | |
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| | | Re: Hes got a point said by Cark Muban :Face it, if the internet WAS so damned interesting, you wouldnt be reading this now ,would you? And thanks for 7 seconds of your life that you will never get back. hahah nice one. | |
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