 jc100
join:2002-04-10
 ·RoadRunner Cable
| Yep But let's face it lobbying dollars speak louder than common sense. This man can spout until he's blue in the face. The problem is he doesn't have money greasing the wills as much as the ISPS who would rather not have to be subject to such a legislation. | |
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My views are my own.
Premium
join:2005-05-20
| Re: Yep Well.. the day the internet becomes a public resource, then I'd be happy to stand on the side of the public standing up for it.
Here's where my problem is..
The FCC thinks they are going to make any change? They think they're going to make it open and free as a bird? ANY network has to be managed. It will be hard for anyone to mandate a wide open network and maintain today's pretty easy going use. (It will never be an anything goes internet)
Now.. keeping in mind the FCC may be interested in a neutral internet.. let's ask the question, what would the internet be like if the GOVERNMENT operated it?
We already know what happens when city or county governments (see L.A.) have their stay at home mom politicians making rules.. they start to regulate the very content.. ie: no porn, after all, the internet is for porn, right?
The fact remains that the last mile ISP is a corporate owned piece of property.. I laugh when I hear about these "public hearings" taking place.
If the internet was run by the government, how far do you think internet freedoms or "network neutrality" would last before the network became so crippled that dial up modems would be the preferred method of connection? | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
 ·Cruzio Internet
| Re: Yep It's not so much a change, as to be put back the way it was before Comcast opened the can-o-worms.
The FCC has stated it is committed to the 4 rules of Network Neutrality, which does not stop any network from reasonable network management.
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RARPSL
join:1999-12-08
Suffern, NY
| Re: Yep said by gaforces  :It's not so much a change, as to be put back the way it was before Comcast opened the can-o-worms. The FCC has stated it is committed to the 4 rules of Network Neutrality, which does not stop any network from reasonable network management. The problem is that the FCC refuses to define what is "reasonable network management" when they allow it. Unless/Until that definition is made, their rules are just a smoke screen for doing nothing about any actions that can be portrayed as violating Network Neutrality (something that they have also failed to define in their Rules). | |
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gaforces
United We Stand, Divided We Fall
join:2002-04-07
Santa Cruz, CA
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| Re: Yep I guess they might have a year to debate it 
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Kyle
join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | How can one violate Network Neutrality when there isnt such a thing? | |
| | | Ahrenl
join:2004-10-26
North Andover, MA
| And all that corporate property sits on public land. That's why the public gets a say, and always will. ANYONE can make money being the only, or one of two (with a complicit compeitor) game in town in the last mile business. These companies are allowed to use public land to make billions, and are thus subject to regulation. That's a risk to the business model that they (and anyone who profits off public resources) have to live with. | |
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rawgerz
In Debt we trust
Premium
join:2004-10-03
Grove City, PA
 ·Sprint Mobile Broa..
| I'm all in favor of a QOS system.
i.e.
VOIP
HTTP
FTP
P2P
It might not save bandwidth or generate money but it wouldn't hurt anyone really.
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join:2005-01-25
·Qwest.net
| Re: Yep said by rawgerz :I'm all in favor of a QOS system. i.e. VOIP HTTP FTP P2P It might not save bandwidth or generate money but it wouldn't hurt anyone really. Better watch out. I tried to discuss positive aspects of QOS here a couple years ago, and got some pretty vehement negative responses. | |
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join:2004-08-09
Keene, NH
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·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: Yep said by viperlmw :said by rawgerz :I'm all in favor of a QOS system. i.e. VOIP HTTP FTP P2P It might not save bandwidth or generate money but it wouldn't hurt anyone really. Better watch out. I tried to discuss positive aspects of QOS here a couple years ago, and got some pretty vehement negative responses. I have no problems with QoS, in fact I use it on my home network, makes it alot easier than trying to get everyone to cooperate with the limited bandwidth.
If it were managed in that order and it wasn't restricted down to a specific amount, just by putting them in that order on priority, I don't see a real issue with it.
If VOIP isn't using all the bandwidth, HTTP gets it.
If HTTP isn't using all the bandwidth, FTP gets it.
If FTP isn't using all the bandwidth, P2P gets it, etc.
As long as it's reasonable and not completely outlandish like what Comcast does with Sandvine, it should be unnoticeable to the general user, and also to most advanced users. | |
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Robb
Premium,MVM
join:2001-03-11
Hillsboro, OR
·Verizon Online DSL
·Comcast
| ISP-wide Q.O.S. --- I say N2f*$hn2~~~~~~NO CARRIER^Z I don't want a QoS system unless it first goes through the IETF and becomes an Internet Standard.
Comcast will say that VOiP gets priority, because then Comcast looks more attractive to Verizon customers.
Verizon on the other hand doesn't want to lose its existing phone customers to cheaper VOIP, but let's see how many Comcast users we can convert to IPTV.
ISPs and transit operators are the wrong people to be deciding how the Internet should work -- in secret, no less. Internet operation in the job of the IETF.
ISP should mean "I'll Ship the Packets." TCP was not designed to be screwed around with by transit providers. All of its intelligence is built in to the end-points, how it responds to situations is likely built into end-points.
Everything an ISP needs is built into IP.
As for making VOIP more robust, or P2P more congestion sensitive, that should be the job of those software authors/vendors/enthusiasts. How can we expect them to do their job if the ISPs screw around with the protocols in secret?
If they can't trust the Internet Standards to describe how the Internet is going to work, they can't easily innovate.
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