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kudos:4 | Re: . said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services?
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2 edits | Re: . said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom When the country was founded, the Fed. gov't was supposed to provide basic fundamental services, like delivering the mail, national defense, and the Treasury, to name a few.
Maybe there are just too many gov't services that require funding.
Before the 16th amendment, there were no Fed. taxes. When they were implemented, it was 1% for all. | |
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| | | | | | Re: . said by NetAdmin1:said by MrSpock29:When the country was founded, the Fed. gov't was supposed to provide basic fundamental services, like delivering the mail, national defense, and the Treasury, to name a few. Maybe there are just too many gov't services that require funding. Before the 16th amendment, there were no Fed. taxes. When they were implemented, it was 1% for all. This is a state tax... Yes, of course it is. | |
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Lakewood, OH | Re: . plus how prominent was telephones when the country was formed ehhhhh. maybe thats why you didnt see them mentioning telephone with mail and national defense.
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| | | | | | | | said by NetAdmin1:The only reason I mentioned it was because you were talking about the federal government and federal taxes... I know, but I took the comment I was responding too as a generalization, and not really just about this tax. In fact, I took both comments that way. But I think there is a point made there in either instance. | |
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Isn't this type of payment usually part of a franchise agreement in order to use the ROW on those poles?
Sounds like cities getting greedy to me. | |
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Before the 16th amendment, there were no Fed. taxes. When they were implemented, it was 1% for all. This is a myth. The Whiskey Rebellion in 1794 was over federal taxes on liquor.
If you're talking about the federal income tax specifically, it was first passed in 1861, 55 years before the 16th Amendment -- 3% of income over $800.
Contrary to popular belief, income taxes have always been legal. The 16th Amendment was in response to a Supreme Court ruling that income derived from rents and royalties was actually a property tax. The 16th overruled this by saying that income from "any source" could be taxed. Income from wages was still taxable during this time.
This of course has nothing to do with tax policy -- how much taxes and on what. That's a valid debate. But you should really understand the history correctly.
And it also has nothing to do with this tax, which is a state tax. Despite having some of the highest taxes in the country, California's population is expected to increase by 12.5 million by 2030. If it's so terrible, why does everyone want to move there? | |
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| Re: . said by alanhdsl:Despite having some of the highest taxes in the country, California's population is expected to increase by 12.5 million by 2030. If it's so terrible, why does everyone want to move there? Adjusted for general population growth of this country, and for illegal immigration, what does that number look like? The weather is probably a big factor, but you can probably find other states expecting more growth. | |
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Phoenix, AZ | Re: . #1 in percentage growth is Nevada, they rank #39 overall in state taxes. Although they don't have an income tax, they have high sales and property taxes, along with business taxes (gambling).
Alaska has the lowest personal state taxes, but they take in a lot in business (oil) taxes. Next lowest taxes are Mississippi, Montana, West Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and South Dakota.
On the other hand, biggest growth is in Nevada, Florida, Arizona, Texas, Utah, Idaho, North Carolina, Georgia, Washington, and Oregon.
Population figures: »www.census.gov/population/www/pr···sex.html
Tax figures: »www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/387.html
Montana has its charm, but all said I'd rather live in California or New York (#1 and #2 in taxes). | |
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Waltham, MA | Re: . said by alanhdsl:Alaska has the lowest personal state taxes, but they take in a lot in business (oil) taxes. Next lowest taxes are Mississippi, Montana, West Virginia, Alabama, Kentucky, Tennessee, Oklahoma, New Mexico, and South Dakota. That list reads like a who's who of dirt poor states. I'd like to see far less of my FEDERAL taxes going to support these places, that on the whole take far more back than they give. MS takes 2.80 from Washington for every 1.00 it collects. Here in MA we get back .60 for every dollar. The rest goes to support those places that dont raise enough local tax to pay for essentials. We'd be better off seceding
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"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
Before this, the USCon stated,
"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States..."
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Phoenix, AZ | Re: . said by Anon1 :
Its the apportionment clause that is the real killer in the 16th amendment:
"The Congress shall have power to lay and collect taxes on incomes, from whatever source derived, without apportionment among the several States, and without regard to any census or enumeration."
Before this, the USCon stated,
"Representatives and direct Taxes shall be apportioned among the several States..."
"No Capitation, or other direct, Tax shall be laid, unless in proportion to the Census or Enumeration herein before directed to be taken." That's correct, though I think the scope isn't the "killer" you say it is, as it's restricted to taxes on income. The Supreme Court said that that taxes on income derived from property, like rents and royalties, were actually direct taxes and thus subject to apportionment. The 16th moved those back into the class of income rather than direct taxes and thus not subject to apportionment. Taxes on other forms of income, such as wages, were unaffected by the whole thing. | |
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| said by alanhdsl:... Despite having some of the highest taxes in the country, California's population is expected to increase by 12.5 million by 2030. If it's so terrible, why does everyone want to move there? I wonder what proportion of those 12.5 million people go to CA with the express purpose of living off of social programs supported by those tax dollars.
IOW, it wouldn't surprise me if CA is attracting more than their share of welfare cases, illegal aliens, etc.
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Phoenix, AZ | Re: . California is #12 in median household income, New York is #19. This is the median, so a few Michael Eisners can't skew it high. Lowest is our low-tax nirvana, Mississippi. Alaska is the only low-tax state that ranked high. | |
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| Re: . But it really should be #1 to scale properly with the taxes =/
I think that data helps the argument of the moochers flocking over to Cali since it's so easy to hop on the welfare/foodstamp/WIC/low income housing/etc train.
I worked with this mexican dude who had 2 kids. He was living off of food stamps, had a low income housing place in a very nice development in San Marcos (which he all got by not listing his wife's income on the app), but made 12/hr full time with overtime. He was able to afford a brand new civic SI with all the insurance very easily, with much money left over for booze.
The system really needs fixing. | |
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| Re: . said by Tsume:The system really needs fixing. The system is fine, aside from the liars. Somehow I doubt your coworker would have done so well were it not for the second income from his wife.
Besides, a Civic SI does not cost nearly as much as you think it does..it's only a $20,000 car, which on a 60 month loan is only about $350 a month.
What I find disturbing is that you think that $12/hr is enough to get by with two children. Well, that and you felt the need to mention he was Mexican, which really has no bearing on your story. I've seen plenty of poor white folk who game the system, as well as plenty who refuse to accept assistance, even when they're in dire need.
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Lake Zurich, IL | Re: . When food and rent are subsidized by others, $12 is obviously enough to get by on, and even thrive. The "poor" today in America are better off than anywhere else in the world at any time. | |
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1 edit | Re: . said by jester121:When food and rent are subsidized by others, $12 is obviously enough to get by on, and even thrive. The "poor" today in America are better off than anywhere else in the world at any time. Even subsidized housing isn't that cheap, and you're not thinking of the two children. Children are expensive, in many more ways than just food. Can one "get by?" Sure. Can one afford things like health care? No.
$12 an hour today is like making $9 an hour in 1998. I would not say that any of the people I know who were making $9 an hour in 1998 were more than just scraping by.
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| Re: . I'm sure it varies around the country but it's too hard to sum up the "user experience" into one neat little package. Too many holes where certain classes of people are left out... as well as a LOT (I mean a LOT!) of benefits that overlap or do not take anything else into account.
Here in Hawaii, we have QUEST that provides gov sponsored health coverage to those that meet income/asset limits. Comparable dependent coverage is between $150-$600 depending on one's employer, number of dependents and the employer's available plan.
HUD provides housing vouchers based on family size charging no more than 1/3 of ones income for rent but approving suitable housing based on family size. A single mom with children of both sexes is likely to get approved for a 3 or more bedroom house... going rate for that is easily $1400 and up (and up). If mom pulls in $900 a month, she's charged $300.
Certain welfare programs also provide vehicle insurance, bus passes, food stamps, free after school programs, baby sitting, day care, school tuition, free school lunches, local utility bill relief, medical co-payments reduced or eliminated, etc.
The point is that if all these benefits are added up, many recipients would need to earn $60k-$75k+ in gross wages to actually pay everything for themselves.
The people who get left out are usually homeless (mental illness, drug abuse) or are those who try to get off the system one step at a time only to find that their benefits dry up with just a tiny increase in income. I literally have had employees refuse extra work just because it would jeopardize their benefits.
I don't have a problem with the fact that these services are available for people in need... I would just like a more cohesive accounting system AND some realistic goals/understandings in terms of self-sufficiency.
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| Re: . Wow, they got some programs there in Hawaii. The best we can do is Medicaid for the young and destitute, a few subsidized apartment complexes, and food stamps. Oh, and they have free lunch at school and occasional "free clinic" days at the health department.
BTW, "disconnected," you're quite wrong in your central thesis. Man has always lived in somewhat collective societies. Loners are idolized, but practically nonexistent throughout history. We have been tribal since we left the trees.
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| said by alanhdsl:And it also has nothing to do with this tax, which is a state tax. Despite having some of the highest taxes in the country, California's population is expected to increase by 12.5 million by 2030. If it's so terrible, why does everyone want to move there? Being surrounded by ex-Cali folk right now, I think you got this wrong. In fact I am noticing you don't live there as well. Even the movie companies are migrating. | |
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Morally speaking, the only just purpose and scope of government is to protect INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS. That's incorrect. The purpose and scope of government is to foster and protect society as a whole. Individual rights are respected within that context. Remember that the Bill of Rights was an add-on to the US Constitution. It is a credit to the United States that it does place so much emphasis on individual rights, but it is NOT the sole purpose and scope of government. | |
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| said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom He’s from NJ, he knows if Massachusetts is anything like NJ they will only waste it anyway. It’s very simple if they don’t get it they can’t waste it. NJ got casino gaming and the lottery very early on and even with those key assets every year at this time the state cries broke only to raise taxes on the middle class. A few years ago it was the added shore/motel tax, then the 1% sales tax increase plus additional tax increases. This year they proposed toll tax increase which is perfect with the gas prices. With any luck this year we will have another State shutdown and never reopen…. | |
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Only in NJ is it considered good policy to raise one tax to cut another......... | |
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Trenton, NJ | Re: . Since Brendan Byrne going forward it’s been all down hill however Cozine & McGreedy have to be the worst | |
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1 edit | Re: . said by MrMoody:said by HD_Ride:It's very simple if they don't get it they can't waste it. Wrong! Just ask GW. Of course states don't have unlimited borrowing power though ... Obviously you don’t know anything about NJ, once Trenton gets it they will waste it. That's why many NJ folks move once they retire, they can't afford to live here on a fixed income.
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Smithfield, NC | Re: . My point was, they don't need to actually get it in order to waste it ... borrow and spend!
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Laguna Hills, CA | By cutting services.
The problem is gov't spends like a bunch of drunken sailors. If they would at least make a small effort to control their spending, they wouldn't need to endlessly raise taxes. | |
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| said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom I say reduce the government services to a point that the taxation is reasonable.
Start with welfare and schools. | |
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Little Rock, AR | said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom Taxing by the government should be for government services. The public utility structures were put in place and paid for by the public utilities to support business. They are not provided by government services. This would be like taxation without representation. Similar to what NY does by taxing telecommuters who do not live in NY. | |
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| said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom The income tax works well. All Massachusetts is doing is taxing the people in a roundabout (I know they call them Rotaries) way.
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Hainesport, NJ | said by tschmidt:said by Tzale:Taxes are wrong. So how do you propose funding government services? /tom By cutting back on all the FAT and illegal use of tax payers money!!!
If I ran my business like the state of NJ or MA I'd be out of business in 6 months!!! | |
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The big problem with this is that the poles have already been "taxed" in the form of the fees required for the ROW that are paid by these companies. In essence, this is a double dip.
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Mullica Hill, NJ | this is more of a Double Screw on the customer. the taxes get mixed into the phone bill, on top of the existing taxes the customer is already charged for their services and the unfees.
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| said by Tzale:What else is new... Screw the customer... Taxes are wrong. -Tzale But why should telcos be exempt where other utilities are not from these taxes? Besides, it isn't saying they're raising the tax on the customers, just the companies. If the company tries to raise its rates to offset the cost, the customer has a choice (usually) another telco that may be less expensive. | |
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Stepford, CA | In Other News A sparrow farted this morning while sitting on a wire attached to a telephone pole owned by the telephone company. The telephone company has indicated that it plans to pass along the costs to customers. | |
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San Francisco, CA | Re: In Other News They should challenge the assesed value of the pole now that the smell is lingering. | |
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CWCville USA | Re: VRADs etc. said by George Kidd:Wait a minute... If you have a VRAD or the such like sitting on your property then why shouldn't you be allowed to collect a "Tax". Because that would make too much sense. | |
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Kihei, HI Reviews:
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| What's worse than not collecting? Being forced to pay this new tax, passed on to you by the telco, for equipment/poles that sit on your property!
Sadly, I think this is exactly what will happen.
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| said by George Kidd:Wait a minute... If you have a VRAD or the such like sitting on your property then why shouldn't you be allowed to collect a "Tax". If it's not in the utility easement, and you don't take service from the company who placed it, you can. It's called "rent." If it's in the utility easement you (or the person who owned the land before you) granted them the right to place whatever equipment they need in said easement.
If you do take said company's service, you agreed to allow them to place whatever equipment is necessary to provide you service upon your premises without charge to them. It's in the tariff. (You even agreed to supply them electricity, if required, but they don't have the balls to go that far for devices that are servicing others as well)
I've known a few people who had SLCs placed on their property in the past, and they get monthly rent. Of course, they live out in the middle of nowhere and they didn't have room to place the SLC, cross connect boxes, and whatever else in the road easement.
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Mount Airy, MD | Incorrect Summary quote:
Verizon is fighting the charges in court and customers could will pay the cost.
There... the summary is now correct.
All taxes on business get passed on down to the consumer in the form of higher prices.
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Marshfield, MA | This state is whacked Get your hands out of my pockets. Why not tax us directly. Instead they make it look like they are going after the big bad businesses. Wait until they have an infrastructure and then go after it. | |
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| Rights of Way rental I think it is a good idea. I'd rather see States and towns generate revenue by taxing Rights-of-Way then using Franchise agreements.
Franchise agreements made sense when the Cable TV provider had to have a local presence to deliver the service but with the emergence of IPTV that is no longer the case.
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Even if it's muni. I've had much more of an issue with companies ruling broadband for the sake of profit as time goes on. Clearly such an essential method of communication and information shouldn't be in the hands of for-profit companies. | |
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Lowell, MA | Verizon Power companies are paying this tax already, why should Verizon be exempt statewide when we all know they are expanding (fios) when and where they want to (profitability). Which is there right. But they want to have it both ways. | |
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| Once in effect If I were Verizon I would add this as a line item to each affected customer's bill, with this explanation below it
"phone pole tax assessed by your local city. Want this off your bill? Contact your local government who levied this tax against you." | |
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00000 | Re: Once in effect as long as Verizon also labels their "un-fees" as such. | |
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When have they NOT done so?
This is really just another way for "the government" to tax "the people" to fund projects that "the people" don't really want. (In this country, aren't "the government" and "the people" supposed to be the same thing? or do we need another revolution?) | |
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2 edits | Pole Tipping Just like the Boston Tea Party it's time for some pole (Oops) tipping... Wow.. Time to go underground.. | |
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kudos:18 | Re: Pool Tipping said by DoRight:Just like the Boston Tea Party it's time for some pool tipping... Wow.. Time to go underground.. Pool?
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1 edit | If other utilities have to pay So should they. Meanwhile they should cut another tax to make it revenue neutral. | |
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Cheyenne, WY | You could move Here in Wyoming we don't have a State income tax, no sales tax on food and drugs, low property taxes, etc. The State Constitution requires the State to balance it's budget each year. I guess they don't call it Taxaschusetts for nothing.
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Verizon New England already pays $1.1 million in personal property taxes to Springfield (Mass) for poles, conduits, wires and equipment on private property as well as for underground conduits. The Springfield assessors will attempt to recoup personal property taxes from Verizon for the past four years ...
The ruling allows communities that petitioned for the right to collect back taxes on the poles and wires to do so. The earliest year is fiscal 2003 for some communities.
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Gallifrey | Maybe now they'll move the doubles! I live just outside of Boston and this quaint little town has over 175 double poles. The law is that the company in charge (in this case Verizon) has 90 days to remove the old pole - some have been doubled for over FIVE years!! Part of that is because the Selectmen aren't forceful enough, but Verizon insisted on handling the transfers (being the ones to schedule the other utilities to move their wires) then 'forgot' about them. One street I drive down often has seven in a row. Maybe if they have to pay per pole, they'll finally get off their arses.
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 viperpa33sWhy Me?Premium
join:2002-12-20
Bradenton, FL | Taxes are the death of us It's funny that people complain about taxes increasing but they still want there government programs and services. It all costs money and has to be paid for somehow.
It's no surprise that Massachusetts wants do this since they are like NY and NJ. Tax everything in sight and still be broke. Makes you wonder how states like NJ which is one of the highest tax states in the union, can be 30 billion + in the hole.
State government should be held accountable for the tax money they collect but of course that will never happen. There should referendums for any tax increase but again that will never happen. It's the people that get socked for all the misgivings the politician does.
Verizon passing off the tax to there customers? I wish I could do that. Companies sell my information and I don't even see a dime. Companies give the excuse they will lose money. Excuse me, your getting free money from someone else.
Taxes will be the death of us because pretty soon most if not all of the money we work for will go to paying taxes. | |
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| HD_RidePremium
join:2000-10-18
Trenton, NJ Reviews:
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1 edit | Re: Taxes are the death of us said by viperpa33s:Taxes will be the death of us because pretty soon most if not all of the money we work for will go to paying taxes. Here you go, Tax Freedom Day by state »www.taxfoundation.org/research/show/387.html , oops looks NJ got edged out by Connecticut and Massachusetts is not too far behind... | |
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 apeface
join:2000-09-16
Mckinney, TX
kudos:3 | heh Don't PAY the POLE TAX!!!  | |
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| jester121Premium
join:2003-08-09
Lake Zurich, IL Reviews:
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| Re: heh said by apeface:Don't PAY the POLE TAX!!! Strippers unite! Don't take this lying down! | |
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