McCain Offers Vague, Unoffensive Technology Policy Editorial: Let market forces rule, yadda yadda yadda... John McCain today published his technology policy, which, as you might expect, relies heavily on keeping regulation to a minimum and letting "market forces" display their total awesomeness without much intervention from Uncle Sam, AK-47 wielding revolutionaries, or dirty hippies. When it comes to both parties, broadband is generally used as pre-election candidate marketing fodder to placate the technology geek contingent, then completely forgotten down the line (which is why we have absolutely no broadband strategy and many pay $50 for 3Mbps DSL). But for what it's worth, here's McCain's careful and completely unoffensive take on network neutrality: John McCain does not believe in prescriptive regulation like “net-neutrality,” but rather he believes that an open marketplace with a variety of consumer choices is the best deterrent against unfair practices. John McCain has always believed the government’s role must be rooted in protecting consumers. I'm not sure that network neutrality is regulation, but ok. That's a fairly centrist position based on letting competition prevent anti-competitive behavior, which makes sense assuming there's competition. I'm not sure that competition will ever truly flourish when your entire system of regulatory oversight is essentially run by AT&T and Comcast lobbyists, but perhaps I'm nitpicking. When it comes to improving national broadband penetration, McCain offers this nugget: John McCain will establish a “People Connect Program” that rewards companies that offer high-speed Internet access services to low income customers by allowing these companies offset their tax liability for the cost of this service. That almost sounds like a national broadband policy, which probably terrifies staunch Conservatives. By and large McCain's technology positions, like those of most presidential candidates from both parties, are designed to seem reasonable to pretty much everyone, from Milton Friedman fanatics who think consumer protection regulation kills puppies, to hard line progressives who'd like to build a national gigabit fiber network out of taxes, green tea and hemp. One McCain policy that might annoy harder line Conservatives is his support for municipal broadband: John McCain would seek to accurately identify un-served or under-served areas where the market is not working and provide companies willing to build the infrastructure to serve these areas with high speed internet services incentives to do so. He also supports private/public partnerships to devise creative solutions and help rural area and towns and cities in their efforts to build-out broadband infrastructure through government-backed loans or low-interest bonds. That honestly doesn't mean much of anything either, given that support for "private/public" partnerships (like Connected Nation) is generally code these days for letting the nation's largest ISPs do whatever they want. Of course promises made now have no bearing on much of anything (as Obama has already shown with his support for telecom immunity after promising to fight it). Your mileage may vary. Terms and conditions apply. I might offer one tip: "encouraging investment in innovation" is kind of like saying you like toast, and is, like most pre-election technology promises, completely and utterly meaningless.
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Laguna Hills, CA | As opposed to what Promises of free internet for the masses and not delivering? | |
| | | Gigabit Bakcbone Can you really use Hemp as the foundation of a Gigabit Backbone network?
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kudos:6 | Re: Gigabit Bakcbone said by dadarkside:Can you really use Hemp as the foundation of a Gigabit Backbone network? Damn..I must be doing it wrong. Yep. When it's working you don't get anything done -- at blazing speeds.
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4 edits | Re: Gigabit Bakcbone John McCain is a worthless sack of shit, along with the rest of the lot in Washington. This coming from the man who screamed the NSA wiretap was a travesty to American rights and giving immunity was a mistake. Then he staffs himself with telecom executives and has a change of heart. Not much more can be said for Obama who also had a timely change, too. What's my point, tweetle dee and tweetle dumb wouldn't know a thing about the internet, and what it represents, if they were given a book to read on it. Politics as usual. I don't believe McCain for a second and dislike him heavily. As for Obama, change my ass..His obvious lack of backbone to stand up for us the Immunity bill shows he's more of the same... Seriously, when will we get real representation and less politics.....I know, when someone with a backbone recognizes lobbying is legal bribing and should be done away with. After all, it usually leads to the most anti consumer laws EVER, and usually takes money OUT OF AMERICANS' pockets. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Gigabit Bakcbone Thank you for saying just what was on my mind. They are all a bunch of lie'rs and worthless people. They tell you whatever you want to hear, but then just get in office and then they just do whatever the lobbyist pay them to do. | |
| | | | | | | Re: Gigabit Bakcbone That's why we desperately need the "none of the above" option on every ballot. we need referendums on every major law requiring a 2/3 majority to stop it, few legislators are even reading or understanding the laws they are voting on now, its all just special interest votes ! | |
| | | | | | | | Re: Gigabit Bakcbone That combined with here's a 500 page bill with legal text, strung together by 50 special interest groups.
In such a case, do you.....
A: Take the time to read it and make an informed vote.
B: Have your aids read it and offer a summary.
C: Show up and vote ill prepared.
D: Refrain from coming to work as you've got better things to do.
E: Have your vote counted by a colleague who pressed your buzzer for you (amazing video about this online).
Answers... C,D,E. | |
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I'm with you bud. The reason we are mired in a stagnant Congress is because the two party system is broken. Time to get the politicians out of Washington! Not to mention those lobbyists who should be considered criminals themselves.
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kudos:2 | Re: Gigabit Bakcbone HERE! HERE! | |
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| | | | | | | | Re: Gigabit Bakcbone We, the Morons of the Corporate States of America..... in quick summation... | |
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Sterling Heights, MI | Yay! Bums using the internet!!! Do you think they will sleep on the corner of Google St. and EBay Blvd? | |
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kudos:5 |  "People Connect Program" nothing but expansion of Welfare
John McCain will establish a “People Connect Program” that rewards companies that offer high-speed Internet access services to low income customers by allowing these companies offset their tax liability for the cost of this service. Nothing but another welfare policy. And people wonder why the Federal Deficit is so gigantic.
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1 edit | Re: "People Connect Program" nothing but expansion of Welfare Yup..basically another version of USF.
Instead of taxing 'us', as a typical Republican, he'll reduce taxes as an incentive for them. Taxes or fees (taxes are for Democrats, fees are for Republicans... just another name for the same thing) will have to be made up somewhere.
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2 edits | Re: "People Connect Program" nothing but expansion of Welfare No. Taxes are for Democrats, Adding Trillions to the National Deficit that we borrowed from "Rogue" Countries is for Republicans. There by, causing mass amounts of inflation. Little good those tax cuts due when you pay 20 percent more for you goods and pass the expense on to future generations. Same crap, different scenario and party. | |
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| | | | said by Linklist:Nothing but another welfare policy. And people wonder why the Federal Deficit is so gigantic. I am sure you well correct me if I am wrong but it sounds more like another cooperate welfare program. Never intended to help the poor but instead help the bottom line of the company.
Welfare broadband programs for the poor would be providing support to the individual to help pay a net bill or providing some type of discount.
This proposal of his seems to be designed to help pay for the infrastructure in poor areas.
Considering that a poor neighborhood is often densely packed apartments and homes, which would create a large number of potential subscribers. It would be akin to paying the providers extra in one of their most potentially profitable areas.
Again welfare for the cooperation and nothing for those he pretends to represent. | |
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Laguna Hills, CA | Re: Obama's Technology policy for comparison The battle of blah blah blah. As soon as either elected, they will be for sale to the highest bidder. | |
| | | | | Re: Obama's Technology policy for comparison said by Dogfather:The battle of blah blah blah. As soon as either elected, they will be for sale to the highest bidder. NO! Obama isn't for sale unless it involves real estate!
John McCain said, "Well, ya see, the Internet is a series of Tubes and they, uhh, need cleaning so I will, uhh, give money to, what's their names? Oh, Internet Service Backbones, er, Providers to, uhh, clean the tubes. Can we get a teenager in here to explain this?"
Barack Obama fired back, "The Internet, created by my good friend Al Gore, is NOT a series of tubes. It is a lot of massive fiber builds, routers, backbones.... Umm, where did my teleprompter go?"
Ron Paul just had to weigh in, "The Internet is essential to Democracy as we have seen. China blocked websites that were unfavorable to them which proves it is true. I don't know how it works but, once I end the IRS, CIA, FBI, I will appoint a Technology Czar to fix it."
Dennis Kucinich, not to be outdone, explains, "The Internet is a great thing we have been given by Extraterrial Intelligence so we can communicate globally in a matter of milliseconds...." 
Bush chimed in, "My two girls could explain this a lot better than me."
Bill Clinton said, "It is a great thing to watch porn on!" 
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| | | | | | Al Gore did not call it a series of tube. That was Ted Stevens. I don't know why everyone attributes Gore with that phrase. | |
| | | | | | | Re: Obama's Technology policy for comparison said by jc100:Al Gore did not call it a series of tube. That was Ted Stevens. I don't know why everyone attributes Gore with that phrase. Huh? I said McCain called it a "series of tubes" and Obama corrected him...
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| | | | | | | | Re: Obama's Technology policy for comparison I must have misread or an edit was done. If I misread, I stand corrected. | |
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Smithfield, NC | said by supergirl:Bill Clinton said, "It is a great thing to watch porn on!" Abolish the two-term limit!
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| | a "policy" A policy coming from someone who by all reports never used e-mail or a computer, but he knows what they are and can hire someone who knows more, ....... | |
| | | | Re: a "policy" No, you have it all wrong. The republicans KNOW internet. Remember their leader, Ted "the tubes" Stevens, taught us that the internet is a series of tubes, and you can't move a dump truck down the tube. Why, just last week, one of my friends tried to send me the internet, and it took DAYS to get here. All those movie pirates are clogging the tubes, and the republicans are the roto-rooter man who can clean it up. We need to stop allowing trucks into the tubes, that's how you fix the internet.
Neither party 'get's it'. The democrats want social welfare, and the republicans worship the holy grail of capitalism. We don't WANT subsidized internet, what we DO want is a rational policy to provide EVERYONE with high speed (read FIBER) connections. I for one, would be happy to see the government MANDATE that any company that wants to provide internet, will need to run fiber, AND have open access to said network. Let's build out the internet just like we did the telephone, highway system, electricity grid in this country. I don't care if a company builds it, I don't care if they make a guaranteed return on their investment. I DO care if it's a monopoly position, where the incumbent sets the prices and terms.
In my world, Verizon, AT&T, Qworst, Comcrap and all the others offer SERVICES over a government owned infrastructure .Hell, Let verizon OWN the infrastrcture if they want, they just can't sell services over it. We could wire FIBER to every single home in this country for $30 billion, or about 2 months of what we pay for Iraq.
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New York, NY | Re: a "policy" said by karlmarx:I for one, would be happy to see the government MANDATE that any company that wants to provide internet, will need to run fiber, AND have open access to said network. The only problem with that statement is that it just wont work in reality. What would the incentive be for a company to build a network then? Think about it, why would Telco X spend millions/billions deploying a network for everyone else to use? Why would Telco X spend further millions/billions upgrading said network for other companies to benefit? I am not saying the idea of "high speed for all" is bad, I am simply pointing out that its a Utopian dream that cant work in 2008 America (at least in the way you present it).
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Annapolis, MD | Re: a "policy" I don't know why I'm still astonished this rationale is still around...
Q. Why would anyone want to build a datacenter where everyone else can stick their own server in there?
A. Because there's nothing in such proposals that the the owner would have to provide access to the DC for free.
Wait, we're not talking about datacenters or any other such thing. Sorry, forgot that apparently broadband infrastructure couldn't possibly work under the same concept...
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Hingham, MA | The problem with separation, is that you gain mass inefficiencies in the system by eliminating the most obvious synergies... this in turn will drive up prices. So the question is, would the "competition" brought about by your plan really lower prices, or would it just spread the costs around more? | |
| | | | | here is an idea; why don't you run for public office in DC? | |
| | | | | | | | | Re: a "policy" Don't ask me to be president. my FIRST job would be to take care of that 9/11 business, whatever it took. we cannot have respect for ourselves or get it from others with these murderers laughing at us on the internet! If it took a third world war, so be it. Doing nothing is an open invitation for it to happen again. If we had to wreck half of Pakistan, so be it! | |
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2 edits | Re: a "policy" Well why you are busy avenging stuff... How about we take you down a trip called memory lane.
1) Timothy McVeigh was a White terrorist and a fundamentalist. In no means did we go after All White Christian Males or Hate groups after his attack.
2) Ted Kazinski was a Nutjob who blew people up because he hated technology. Another White male Prodigy.
3) Anthrax Scientist was an evil genius. White male once again.
4) This church shooter that killed "liberals" by no means was Muslim. He was a radical Christian.
5) The Bosnian Serbs that Massacred a few hundred thousand Muslims in the name of Christianity and Territory, not Muslims either.
6) Hitler backed by the Baptist, Methodist, and Catholic Church exterminated 6 million people. Jews, Blacks, Gays, Gypsies. Hitler was no Muslim and nor were the churches that supported the worst Genocide in History.
7) Pat Robertson and the late Jerry Falwell anybody? Can we say Mega Churches spreading hate against gays in the name of "God". They might as well be radical Imams, as their message is no different.
Long story short, when you get done pulling your head out of your ass, you might see there are jackasses in every religion. Since you wish to start lumping everyone int he same basket, I'd say those assholes known as Christians seem to be taking the top prize. Maybe we should start a War on Christianity, seeing how many they start around the world. Otherwise, we can write the bad apples off as aberrations among the many. Your Pick. | |
| | | | | | | | Re: a "policy" Well put, jc100. People seem to forget that most of the troublesome events in history have roots on religion. Anything can be dangerous when used improperly.
We're overpopulated with lobbyists. Maybe we can point these misguided religious types in that direction.
All lobbyists are members of some bad religion that's different from yours! They eat babies! Go get 'em! | |
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A policy coming from someone who by all reports never used e-mail or a computer, but he knows what they are and can hire someone who knows more, .......
McCain was asked if he was a Mac or PC person.. He answered ...
"Neither, I am an illiterate who has to rely on my wife for all the assistance I can get."
»video.yahoo.com/watch/1884558/6206369
Yup.. McCain wants to lead the free world.. and he is a computer illiterate!
Hmmm, that reminds me of another person who depends on and is carefully controlled by his advisers & corporate interests??(GWB) | |
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| McCain don't care Look at the ads on TV, he doesn't care. First off he's 97, so the Atari from the 80's is technology enough for him.
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| | | McCain 's "simple" solutions His solution to most things is less govt spending and he has deprived the people of legal money in Arizona doing this, the problem is that if the economy slows, every govt on Earth since the great depression has increased govt spending to control job loss and get output up.
Bush did a new thing- he greatly increased spending at a time the economy did not need it and mainly boosted the Chinese economy. Should the economy fall, McCains ideas that less spending is correct in all circumstances would be a disaster for this country! | |
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Kitchener, ON | Re: McCain 's "simple" solutions Yes, I agree 
I will add that McCain needs to be studied much further since he's been implicated in murder, homicide, abuse of elderly, extortion, and much more.
You can start with »www.azjusticenews.org/ and work from there.
There are hints that he created the whole mess in Arizona.
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| | | | | Re: McCain 's "simple" solutions While "earmarks" sound sneaky and many disapprove, they are legal and part of the corrupt system we have, who is McCain to Deny them to Arizona? People should realize that he operates on a theoretical level not practical for real people. I would like him to actually answer questions and give opinions WITHOUT reading everything - prepared by others. Is he actually capable of analysing a situation and making a well reasoned decision? | |
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| | Overseer of the FCC For a couple of years, McCain was chairman of the Senate Commerce Committee, which had jurisdiction of ... you guessed it, the FCC. He was one of those "tubes" guys when the FCC was being purchased by the communications cartels. | |
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kudos:1 | Whatever. The speed of our internet connections are not important compared to the enourmous challenges the next president will face. It's nice to have a "technology policy", but with two wars, a failing social security system (that Bush promised to fix by the way in his campaign), a ever-sinking Dollar that helps crusing our economy even more, reliance on foreign oil, and god knows what else....
I'll tell ya. I can live with my current internet speed for the next two terms if the next president will actually address/fix all of that.
McCain should get eductated though about what computers can do, every time he gets asked a question about the internet or email he chokes. But that's nothing new, our current prez refers to it as "the Google".
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Kitchener, ON | Re: Whatever. If you have an Internet at all by the time bankers and federal reserve gets through with USA. You PPL need to fix this first: »www.dailykos.com/story/2008/7/27···4/557641
Have a good read
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Saint Louis, MO | Re: $50 for 3meg dsl? att has it for $30 6 meg for $35 Not to my address. Too far from the CO. | |
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| | Wow I know I can't be the only one who thinks both McCain and Obama will make terrible Presidents. I know it's a sin to go online and insult the messiah Obama punishable by intense flaming, but Obama is nothing but a bag of hot air. McCain is a disappointment to free-market conservatives like myself but I am relieved the Republican nominee is not a staunch social conservative.
Regardless of which one of these two douche bags win, America will lose.
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kudos:2 | Couple points from a staunch conservative No, I'm not the most enthusiastic McCain supporter, but to be honest, despite some of the statements in the piece, I'm not 'terrified' by these proposals. First there's this:
"I'm not sure that network neutrality is regulation, but ok."
Um... no... reread the statement to which this refers. It just says taht McCain would be opposed to such regulation. Nowhere does it say that he thinks this is current regulation. I can say I'm opposed to socialized medicine (which I am) - does that mean that we already have universal healthcare? No. It just means, as a policy, I'm opposed to such a scheme. The prior statement just says that McCain is opposed to net neutrality as being enforced by regulation. So am I.
As far as this being anethema to conservatives, let's get a grip here. This sounds very much like Eisenhower's push to create an interstate highway system. Yes, I'm a staunch conservative, but I also recognize that there are certain things that only the government can do. Remember that whole regulating interstate commerse thing in that document - what was it called again??? Oh yeah! The Constitution! That is a legitimate role of the federal government. This, in my mind, is an example of that.
Plus McCain's proposal at least pulls in private industry to assist in this. If this were a liberal push, you would have the creation of a brand new department, with several thousand employees, coordinating the whole mess, and making it into a catastrophic monster.
Again as a conservative, I can't be the only one who recognizes the fact that nationwide broadband would be a tremendous economic boon to the US. Again, think what the interstate highway system did for commerce in this country. Would our economy be a fraction of the size it is today were it not for the ability to truck goods quickly and cheeply around the country? I don't think so. | |
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Arlington, VA | Re: Couple points from a staunch conservative I don't doubt that nationwide broadband would bring huge economic benefits...but it'd also cost a heck of a lot, and it's not clear if spending money to bring broadband to areas deemed unprofitable by companies is the best use of taxpayer funds. This is especially true considering that, according to Pew reports, over one in five Americans who have access to competitively priced broadband and can afford it simply choose to spend their money on other things. I don't get it myself, but some people like shopping the old-fashioned way and communicating via phone/mail. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Couple points from a staunch conservative said by jaminus:I don't doubt that nationwide broadband would bring huge economic benefits...but it'd also cost a heck of a lot, and it's not clear if spending money to bring broadband to areas deemed unprofitable by companies is the best use of taxpayer funds. This is especially true considering that, according to Pew reports, over one in five Americans who have access to competitively priced broadband and can afford it simply choose to spend their money on other things. I don't get it myself, but some people like shopping the old-fashioned way and communicating via phone/mail. I don't disagree that this may not be the best use of tax dollars. I was simply pointing out, despite the tenor of this write-up, I'm not 'terrified' by the notion of the government doing this. I don't think it's illegitimate for them to do it. Not that I WANT them doing it, but it's very much (in my mind, and I think this is where McCain is coming from with this) along the lines of what Eisenhower did with the creation of the interstate highway system. | |
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France comes to mind, you would actually be a success at La Sorbonne along with all the other meetings about Che Guevara, just keep it up, you'll be alright. | |
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4 edits | Flat out lie quote:
John McCain is uniquely qualified to lead our nation during this technological revolution.
This guy admitted he doesn't know how to use a computer. That statement is 100% false.
And this is just stupid.
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1. Encourage investment in innovation
2. Develop a skilled work force
3. Champion open and fair trade
4. Reform intellectual property protection
5. Keep the Internet and entrepreneurs free of unnecessary regulation
6. Ensure a fully connected citizenry
1. Cut taxes while ISPs raise rates and invest zero in technology because their is no free market for them to worry about.
2. Wow, his solution is to allow more immigration of skilled programmers. That really helps Americans.
3. I doubt a neo-con is going to oppose the free trade and trade deficits that allow American companies to lay off all their employees and move operations over seas.
4. Allow private arbitration to resolve patent disputes. Top notch policy. And give more money to the patent office, all this guy is spend spend spend.
5.So again rely on "free market" to ensure companies spend money on new technology without increasing rates? We already know for a fact that isn't happening.
6. This guy was in the senate for how long? I don't think anyone in his position with his history could pretend that this is their policy.
Honestly this reads like a unfinished document that wasn't supposed to be posted online yet. Is there not one republican working for McCain that could have written something half way decent? It's almost like comcast or att wrote this. | |
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| | |  Mcain is the future!!!
As for MCain and the internet well i do not think it really matters since he has no clue and will not become president based on the fact he could not even stand up to Bush. I am sorry but if you want to be president at least have the gonads to question the ideals of a war criminal... Not to mention having a president that does not understand the digital age or the internet is pretty much like electing another bush... No offence to the bushies but history will judge them just like they wanted... | |
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kudos:3 | Re: Mcain is the future!!! Thank god for you that you are in Canada then... | |
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 ·Verizon FiOS
| Market forces... Well.. there was a great escape happening under the Bush Corporatism (yup, look it up) era...
Millions of Overtaxed, Overpriced POTS phone lines got canceled and the majority went VOIP... However it should not be lost on the consumer that Cell Phone Taxes are going through the roof as of late (to make up for POTS losses?)
Failures of telecom/federal policy... MCI, AT&T
Progress on internet deployments meets the Loch Ness of metered cell phone bill style overages/surcharges & piracy taxes (much of which went nowhere, by the skin of it's teeth). | |
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Stepford, CA | Pretty Ambitious ...considering Grampy McSame doesn't even know how to use a computer by his own admission. | |
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| | Canada internet = 500Kbit im on welfare and TSI gives me 200GB for 31$ with taxes canadian, I am ok with no subsidy, I am for net neutrality that means I am responsible for what i do.
Having a computer you should all realize it isn't just a gaming machine, or a word processor. When it is connected to the net YOU NEED TO KNOW THINGS. BE EDUCATED.
The fact is in canada the minority parliament actually is fun, it keeps the ruling party on its toes and if it really makes a mistake it gets replaced. WONDERFUL democracy it is.
I hope we have them for the rest of my natural life.
Now in canada they have bell traffic shaping due to bad business of overselling there net work apparently so bad that it requires a 95% slow down during the time 90% of people use the net. Its a akin to having a school bus with 50 seats and 1000 kids are trying to get on. DO YOU THINK PARENTS WOULD PUT UP WITH THAT?
Also new copyright law targets every known xvid ever made as 99.99% of them are "dvdrip" and that means anti circumvention section of new copyright law ( even for a NON copyrighted film that is dvd ripped ) will net a canadian a 20,000 fine.
This is where you americans are heading if you allow your country to go this route. OH the anti circumvention section is so vague that it even could be said that the locks on my door are now NOT MY PROPERTY and are OWNED by the manufacturer and if i have to break that lock for any reason without informing and gettign in writing from the manufacturer i get that lovely 20,000 fine.
Can't pay a fine: Maximum time you get in jail for non payment of fines = 1 day per 10 $ = 2000 days in jail or a little more then 6.5 years.
I now have 12 non copyrighted dvd rips that will get me if run consecutively 102 years in jail.
Nice of a conservative(basically republican gov't) to try that.
Also do not subsidize it. WHY? honestly the telcos need to make some money here. And if they want to be greedy to the nth degree, here's a doomsday scene in canada.
BELL wins the crtc action, slaps all tsi users with 24/7 traffic shape , circumvents the MLPPP and shapes that, puts everyone on a 30GB cap.
then new copyright law comes in ( bell has already admited to me that the new pvr they are or the svideo youcan use now they can monitor so use it when new law comes in and you get 3 charges(fines)
20% of the remaining sat users either opt out or wait till contracts die.
half the sympatico and 75% of TSI users drop the internet.
WHY? who has a use for internet that goes 30Kbytes a sec.
this across the board via CAIP loses bell over 50-60 more million in revenue.
The dropping of more internet users who has use for highspeed when any use of it expcept browsing a website
means that people will massively downgrade to dial up or half a megabit speed. watch them to start the gouge meter on those accounts.
estimation of another 120 million in revenue
that measn the teachers union goes from buying one of the most profitable companies to one barely profiting
they made 50% less profit ( 667 mill down to 330 mill)
a trend you will see continue.
60GB caps?
that is equivilent to giving me a 500Kbit unlimited
or 5 times faster then compressed dial up. | |
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