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ITGuy72
Permanently Disco
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join:2001-11-01
New York | Re: Pretty Sad per the release "will be architected for a smaller footprint that will use fewer computing resources, making it ideal for low-bandwidth scenarios or less powerful PCs" | |
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BF69
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Pretty Sad said by ITGuy72  :per the release "will be architected for a smaller footprint that will use fewer computing resources, making it ideal for low-bandwidth scenarios or less powerful PCs" Nevermind the hater they don't bothe with things like FACTS. just find excuses to hate. I never have understood the hater attitude people have about stuff. | |
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44402812
Hack The Planet
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join:2006-08-28
Plattsburgh, NY
| Re: Pretty Sad said by BF69 :said by ITGuy72 :per the release "will be architected for a smaller footprint that will use fewer computing resources, making it ideal for low-bandwidth scenarios or less powerful PCs" Nevermind the hater they don't bothe with things like FACTS. just find excuses to hate. I never have understood the hater attitude people have about stuff. Whatever Pal? Avast! is a hell of alot better and uses less system resources. MShaft should stick to what it is good at and anti-virus software is not one of them! Read some reviews and get your head out of the clouds! | |
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CrzyCrakr
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join:2005-06-24
Edgewater, MD | Yeah I would think they are trying to make it light like they did with Win 7. I think they are doing a good thing. | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| The sucks. I've been using OneCare for a good two years now and I have to say its the most non-envasive security program I have ever used. I was using Zone Alarm before so may have to go back to it. I hope they finally worked out their compatibility issues with Vista because there is no way in hell I'll ever install Norton anything I own. | |
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NPGMBR
join:2001-03-28
Arlington, VA
| Re: Pretty Sad Trust me, I've been free of Norton since sometime in the late 90s. I trust Zone Alarm but they ticked me off with their slow response to Vista. I'd have to see Norton in action on someone else's machine and it would have to be an idential model to mine before I'd ever consider Norton again. | |
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join:2004-06-28
Seattle, WA
| I agree. I just dumped Trend Micro for OneCare. TM was fracked up and was a major drag on system resources. OneCare seems to be a great product that doesn't impact system performance. I also ditched Norton and McAfee years ago and will never go back. | |
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join:2006-04-14
Carlsbad, NM
| I've never understood why some idiots paid Micro$oft an extortion fee to protect themselves from that OS. LOL!
If they truly wanted protection, better to go with a 3rd party vendor that takes security seriously. Hell, some even offer that software for free!!! | |
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ReVeLaTeD
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
| Re: Pretty Sad The only problem I ever had with OneCare is that, if Microsoft is offering it, why isn't it integrated into the OS like IE is? It should be a standard component of the OS installation, not some addon that takes up resources separately. Also it didn't do nearly as good a job as others like AVG - yet Microsoft should be the best at making an antivirus. That's of course assuming the rumors are NOT true (that Microsoft actually stole the Windows code and silenced the original creator). If they know their code back and forth, why would they be unable to stop things from happening better than others? | |
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Subaru
1-3-2-4
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join:2001-05-31
Greenwich, CT
clubs:  | onecare I guess you can't sell everything.. leave it up to the more known brands to do stuff like this | |
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ITGuy72
Permanently Disco
Premium
join:2001-11-01
New York | OK I'm actually pretty interested in this. The release says the product will be engineered to not be resource intensive. It also really only focuses on consumers, is it free for business too? | |
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beta user
join:2008-11-10
Ontario, CA | Networking Nightmare OneCare gave me nothing but networking problems. I never made it past the trial period.
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GOLFnSUN
Enjoy the sun
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join:2002-03-03
Avalon, NJ
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| Re: Networking Nightmare said by beta user :OneCare gave me nothing but networking problems. I never made it past the trial period. Same here. I tried out their beta as a tester and I had to restore my PC from scratch because it bollixed up the registry so badly. The uninstall left a mess all over the system.
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Dogfather
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join:2007-12-26
Laguna Hills, CA | I welcome it, absolutely Hopefully this will lead to a huge drop in botnet populations. | |
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WALL_E
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join:2003-05-28
USA
| Good move, Microsoft I'm agreeing with a lot of their decisions lately, even as a Mac guy.
If they can get Windows Update to automatically detect if a user has an antivirus installed, and then recommended their new security suite as an recommended download in cases where no other AV is present, Microsoft could have a huge impact on malware and botnets.
Microsoft is in a unique position to get this software on as many machines as possible with as little user knowledge required as possible, something that wasn't possible with a non-free product like OneCare.
If Microsoft can get detection up to snuff (at least as good as some of the Free AVs), while reducing the performance impact versus their OneCare suite, I say they have a winner!
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Jeffrey
too dark too early
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join:2002-12-24
Dix Hills,NY
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| Re: Good move, Microsoft said by WALL_E :If Microsoft can get detection up to snuff (at least as good as some of the Free AVs), while reducing the performance impact versus their OneCare suite, I say they have a winner! Help a guy out here who doesn't understand too many technical aspects of the OS. I'm assuming the reason that companies like Avira and Avast, who both offer free products and excellent detection, succeed so well is because it is essentially all that they do. Microsoft is busy developing hundreds of titles of software, including its line of OSs.
However, to me, it stands to reason that companies like Avira and Avast shouldn't be able to make a product better than what MS could do, considering MS developed the actual OS of which the viruses/trojans/etc infect.
So, if MS can put some effort and $ into developing a proper package - and obviously OneCare wasn't it - in theory, it should be superior to any third party product. Or do I have that all wrong?
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TSI Steve
TSI Steve
Premium,VIP
join:2007-01-12
Chatham, ON
| Re: Good move, Microsoft said by Jeffrey :said by WALL_E :If Microsoft can get detection up to snuff (at least as good as some of the Free AVs), while reducing the performance impact versus their OneCare suite, I say they have a winner! Help a guy out here who doesn't understand too many technical aspects of the OS. I'm assuming the reason that companies like Avira and Avast, who both offer free products and excellent detection, succeed so well is because it is essentially all that they do. Microsoft is busy developing hundreds of titles of software, including its line of OSs. However, to me, it stands to reason that companies like Avira and Avast shouldn't be able to make a product better than what MS could do, considering MS developed the actual OS of which the viruses/trojans/etc infect. So, if MS can put some effort and $ into developing a proper package - and obviously OneCare wasn't it - in theory, it should be superior to any third party product. Or do I have that all wrong? MicroSoft used to develop free AV (MS-DOS 4,5, & 6)...
Natural protection should be built into the OS and no company should be able to do it better then MS since they do develop the OS (as you mentioned yourself). Should be a lot easier for them to integrate as well.
I fully support MS's decision on this matter.
It should be far superior. If written into the Kernel itself, and of course also into the core explorer it should work very well and find virii upon initial boot and blast them away from HDD before the computer is technically running.
As it stands, in my opinion ALL anti-virus programs currently written are garbage. I detest them all.
I do not run AV on any of my PCs.. I don't need too.
I am better at AV removal & protection then the AV programs anyway. I have not ever been infected with a virus I didn't create on any of my PCs to date.
I've manually removed virii that are considered "almost impossible" to get rid of with ease (from friends & family's computers). Mind you, it can sometimes take hours to do so...its not difficult though.
At the end of the day, protection built into the OS should be way more effective then any AV program you can currently get.
When it comes to protection it should also be noted that virii are no longer the major problem... it's now spy/mal-ware and rootkits that are the major issue.
They cause your system to run crazy. If MS can develop a watchdog that looks for rogue DLL's and other such libraries that are causing constant high load on the machine, it should help eliminate the ones that cause computers to run in a very diminished state.
They'd also need to develop something that actively monitors all inbound and outbound traffic.
Look at every application and when something makes an outbound connection on a non-standard port it should alert the user. For the ones that actually use standard ports it should look at the application making the request.. if its not a recognized program again, alert the user and block it.
Anyway now I am getting OT> sorry.
I look forward to this and hope it is successful.
If coded properly, it will cause AV companies to cease operations, and since they price gouge, that's a good thing (even though they are most likely going to try to stop MS which is completely stupid... all they care about is money though.)
If you took the time to read this, thanks LOL
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TSI Steve
TSI Steve
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join:2007-01-12
Chatham, ON
| said by Jeffrey :Well said. Not that you did, but I wouldn't encourage people to run their system without an antivirus software. But, I see where you're coming from. Hopefully MS can do what they need to do. Ideally, it should have been done right from the get go, but no use being Monday morning quarterback. OHH Sorry - Yes for all novice computer users I strongly recommend Avast or AVG. I have not used Avira so I can not suggest it.
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rdmiller
join:2005-09-23
Richmond, VA
| Mission Accomplished What OneCare did do, no matter how much market share it achieved, was to force Norton and McAfee to offer a competing product at a competing price point.
Now if Norton and McAfee will offer a "free for home users" version to compete with 'Morro' and AVG, the world will be a lot safer. | |
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PolarBear
The bear formerly known as aaron8301
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join:2005-01-03
·CableOne
| Day late, buck short I fully support MS on this, but I think they're 10 years late. And charging for OneCare? What an insult. They sell you an operating system that is vulnerable, then they want to sell you something to protect it? Bullshit. That's like an auto maker charging to fix a recall. Hell, even Wal-mart will exchange a defective product for a working one.
MS should have done this a decade ago. At least they're finally getting around to it.
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visio
join:2001-08-29
Clifton, NJ
| onecare Ive use OneCare on 3 machines when it first came out and didnt have any problems with it. Ran fine, but my preferred solution has been Kaspersky for awhile now, so when the OC license expired I just switched back. It wasnt resource intensive, but then again I have a pretty higher end computer (4gb, quad-core 2.4). That being said, this is one of those things I would recommend for users who arent that computer savvy, where all the updates can be tied into windows update, and the user really doesnt have to know whats going on | |
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ddg4005
Premium
join:2001-08-22
Bronx, NY | Microsoft Discontinuing OneCare The OneCare site says current subscribers will be able to opt-in when the new product becomes available. This is good news for me since I'm running OneCare on both my boxes.
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NefCanuck
join:2007-06-26
Mississauga, ON
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| But... I wonder though, if the MS product is "given away" how that will impact on the AV/Firewall market?
Attach it to the new Windows 7 for example and I can hear the anti-trust lawyer warming up thier PC's as we speak 
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join:2004-06-28
Seattle, WA
| Re: But... As long as you can install it without tanking the OS (with a visible and easy way to do it, e.g. desktop icon), and then install the AV suite of your choice, I doubt the Justice Department will have much of a problem with it. They'll be more concerned with making MS give people visible notice that they can use another program. | |
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Matt
Gone playing Dragon Age Origins
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
1 edit |  Good move
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KodiacZiller
join:2008-09-04
73368 | The Irony... The irony of M$ selling a "security suite" that wouldn't even be needed if it weren't for the horrible security of the OS itself. | |
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | McAfee through Cox HSI If you have Cox HSI, get the free McAfee, it has a really small footprint and isn't invasive at all when scanning. Just don't install any of that other bloatware like the personal firewall. | |
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Visitor X
@witopia.net
| Microsoft Discontinuing OneCare OC is not a bad product but MS once again showed how they honor customerss. Till now I received no information from MS about OC termination.
I do not know what to do if my subscription expires before they release free product. Buying new OC subscription for whole year does not seem to make sense. I guees another reinstallation of Windows is on the horizon.... | |
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ComcastRated
@comcast.net
| Even when it's free it stunk I got a 100% rebate on my purchase of One Care. I liked the multiple machine features, Defender and an antivirus.
But oh my - the forced no-you-can-not-opt-out reboots and saving me from the dangers of sharing my printer drove me nuts. Add the mystery background updates and scans slowing down the machine. With 6 months left on my 'free' subscription I abandoned it.
Might be good for beginners. I don't need any hand holding to update my viri signatures or update my backups. | |
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Anonymous
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join:2004-06-01
IA
·Mediacom
1 edit | One Care Actually I like it. Have been using it for about two years and have active subscription until August 2009. At first my reaction was - no way I'm paying MS more money but they had great deals on it and I was able to get almost 3 years of protection for about $10.
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yuutomo
The Wonder Kitter
Premium
join:2001-08-27
Missoula, MT | hah hah was a waste of money when it came out, and still is a waste of money, now it'll be a way for adware and spyware to get into your system since they'll have to pay for it somehow. | |
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Microsoft Discontinuing OneCare
Pretty Sad
