| |cdruGo ColtsPremium,MVM
Fort Wayne, IN
Re: Use a Smart client
said by Smith6612:Slashdot covered the story a week and a half ago and multiple people pointed this out. The client ends up having to wade through more chaff to get to the wheat, so it might slow them down a little.
If I'm not mistaken, if other clients/servers join the swarm and start to pollute it with false data, "Pirate Bay"'s servers would simply be blocked by the client on the user's end and the torrent would move on as it normally does since any decent client does compute checksums of received chunks before saving them, and retries up to a finite amount if a checksum fails.
I question their claims that they stopped 45k downloads. Did they stop it, or did they stop those clients just from talking with them? Also $12-50k to stop 45k downloaders. Hopefully for the content producers sake that number doesn't scale at a linear rate. Episodes of Game of Thrones attract 3-4 million downloads. That would result in $500-4m per episode...to stop something that costs an average of $6m per episode to make.
said by jjoshua:BINGO!
This will just spawn another evolution of file distribution technologies that will be harder to disrupt.
when the next, more secure client comes out we can all thank microsoft
said by gorehound:very true, they keep trying but the internet cant be stopped, nothin can stop people from finding a way around this or firewalls or anything
MAFIAA your time will come !
Internet will always be one step in front of you.
MS many of us dislike you as it is.
if theirs a will theirs always a way
| |Camelot OnePremium,MVM
Re: so now Microsoft censors the web
said by Randall :Did you read the article at all?
What to stop Microsoft from let say blocking people from going to Google etc with this tech? I never trust Microsoft.
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Some features... that are built into a client automatically block and ignore peers who feed bad data a certain number of times. Also, once their IP addresses are known, its easy enough to set their IPs to ignore in my router. Also, in most of the united states, some of this would be considered malicious with the intent of disrupting others internet connection or usage, thus, they will get blacklisted by every US ISP for this practice. All I have to do is complain to my ISP and their ISP that they are interrupting my connection somehow, and they got blocked at the ISP level, and then my ISP would complain to their ISP of this practice, which would get them booted from their ISP(hopefully). This is probably why MS is using a russian firm, because the russians are known for doing illegal things and their ISPs dont care.
said by buzz_4_20:And this is exactly what will get them in trouble. They will invade a blizzard torrent, or something similar, that is totally legal, and then will flood it with bad data and crap, and will get caught and sued out of existence. Its what happened to mediadefender, and a few other companies that tried to inject fake data and crap packets. Its illegal in most states, and under a few statues of the USA law, it could be considered terrorism or electronic espionage.
It sure sounds like the entire Internet is going to be flooded with junk packets to keep the flood of torrent packets from disrupting traffic?
Won't this break things like Steam, Twitter, Facebook and other companies using the same protocol?
Royal Oak, MI
Re: Microsoft spins off little RoboCops
said by Noah Vail:Right, like government law enforcement agencies are all clean.
• Since Microsoft isn't accountable to any civilian body; their Law Enforcement arm will eventually become thoroughly corrupt.
| |Noah VailSon made my AvatarPremium
Re: Microsoft spins off little RoboCops
said by mogamer:I never claimed they were.
Right, like government law enforcement agencies are all clean.
The difference is that smaller/local LEAs are more likely to be disinfected.
The larger (and federal) ones are more insulated and are about as accountable as a private LEO firm.
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Re: Love these quotes It sounds like they don't feed you bad data in the blocks sense, but connect to you and try to feed you invalid IPs via PXE (peer exchange) or the DHT network. The idea would presumably be that your client would have difficulty connecting to new legitimate peers because it would have to wade through a big list of invalid IPs to hit somebody real.
There are a few problems with this. Firstly, this does nothing to disrupt communication with existing peers. Secondly, this doesn't impact the connection between the user and the authoritative tracker (unless you're in a distributed environment such as a Pirate Bay torrent). Thirdly, there are a bunch of potential countermeasures. Several come to mind:
1) Of the three peer sources, treat peers from an authoritative tracker as higher priority; try connecting to any peers retrieved from the tracker before trying to connect to peers retrieved from PXE or DHT
2) If the peer list retrieved from a specific IP via DHT or PXE has a sufficiently higher failure rate than the average from other IPs, give those peers a reduced connection priority; try connecting to peers from more trusted sources first.
3) Maintain a centralized blacklist of this company's IP range such that clients would ignore any connection attempts from those IPs.
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| |BonezXBasement DwellerPremium
Re: Love these quotes
said by Guspaz:wouldn't that method be the equivalent of having an installer spyware/junkware/virus/ect injected through an external ad server/service on your site/server injecting through java/flash. it has a slight smell of legality issues, being it's a purposely malicious action on the part of the company/software.
It sounds like they don't feed you bad data in the blocks sense, but connect to you and try to feed you invalid IPs via PXE (peer exchange) or the DHT network.
but i could see the entire group and any servers they use being blacklisted pretty quickly, unless they run a bot-net style configuration, which again, might run into some legality issues depending on it, but i doubt that any company wants to pay to setup hundreds of thousands of servers to get at least one in just about ever IP range, being the cheap way would be installer software which would be so incredibly illegal it's not funny, and the expensive way of putting multiple computers in every country with at least one of them in each IP block, incredibly expensive and the legality of physically creating a bot-net is sketchy but would definitely find it amusing if they could do it.