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You Can't Spell Democrat Without Rat.
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join:2002-10-17
Boonville, NY | Glad I bought Ok, so this $300+ one I have now is worthless? | |
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join:2003-01-26
Gaithersburg, MD | Re: Glad I bought I wouldn't think so. It still works doesn't it? It might not have all the features of the Elite but that shouldn't mean you can't continue to enjoy it. | |
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| Skippy25
join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO | Was it worthless when you bought it? You obviously didn't want those things when you bought it then, or at least perceived the value in not having them so nothing has changed. So if it wasn't worthless then, why would it be now? | |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
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| Not at all! You have to understand the flock of friends I have that were waiting for either a price drop or to buy mine! So really, I'll only pay difference of $180 for new one. Ofcourse, my friends will get the better deal (headset, 2nd controller, saved games, extended 2 years warranty..).
Now, to find one that ISN'T an ebay grab... | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| IMO, the are all POS. Show of hands.. who thinks the failure rates will be better then the previous model. They may have a more robust gaming system but they can't touch Nintendo's reliability. I have every Nintendo unit every built with exception to the 8bit system. I've even had the PS1 and 2. Sega Saturn. Never had a failure or never burned down my house. Son is on his 2nd xbox. He has some gaming buddies who are on their 3rd unit in less then 2 years.
Now, lets slap a bigger hard drive on it (cripple it so it can use external drives from it's usb ports) add a new color and charge a couple hundred dollars more.. give me a break. Having HDMI isn't that much better if at all then what's there now.. Here is a outstanding article on the subject..
So, which is better, DVI or component? HDMI or component? The answer--unsatisfying, perhaps, but true--is that it depends. It depends upon your source and display devices, and there's no good way, in principle, to say in advance whether the digital or the analog connection will render a better picture. You may even find, say, that your DVD player looks better through its DVI or HDMI output, while your satellite or cable box looks better through its component output, on the same display. In this case, there's no real substitute for simply plugging it in and giving it a try both ways.
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joako
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| Re: Glad I bought said by tc1uscg  :So, which is better, DVI or component? HDMI or component? DVI vs HDMI vs Component.
First lets remove DVI, because HDMI is exactly the same signal specification as DVI + SPDIF Audio in one nice fancy cable.
Now we have HDMI vs Component. Let's see.
Component is analog
Component cant transmit 5.1 Audio
Component cant do 1080i
Just because your Verizon FIOS is slow doesnt mean that fiber optics aren't better than analog DSL lines. Just because you have a device with bad A-D circuit doesnt mean the entire DVI specification is crap.
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join:2004-03-19
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| Re: Glad I bought Component can do 1080i. In fact it's how many Xbox owners have their hooked up.
Component can't handle ICT which is a big problem if ever content makers decide to enable it.
HDMI is better if only that new receivers allow for simple switching which makes it so much easier to connect devices. Optical SPDIF can't handle uncompressed 5.1 LPCM which is a negative for audiophiles while HDMI 1.3 can.
Right now it all depends on what equipment you have. Eventually it'll be HDMI as everything is moving to support it. | |
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cdru
Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: Glad I bought said by bogey780 :HDMI is better if only that new receivers allow for simple switching which makes it so much easier to connect devices. The problem currently is that most receivers are just simple switches for HDMI. If you want a receiver that can actually extract the audio instead of having to get it via a separate feed, you are usually going to pay 2-3x the cost (presuming typical residential-grade equipment...higher end systems excluded).
If they could design an affordable receiver that would upconvert any input source into HDMI so that I have ONE input to send to my TV, I would be in heaven. As it stands now you have a HDMI for the DVD player, component for the gaming system, s-video for the satellite, composite for the VCR, coax for the OTA HD, etc. Too many connections.
Optical SPDIF can't handle uncompressed 5.1 LPCM which is a negative for audiophiles while HDMI 1.3 can. Not that I don't beleive you, but do you have a source for this? I can think of a technical reason why optical couldn't support it, other then content providers wanting to try to lock down and cripple the technology (e.g. HDCP)
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join:2004-03-19
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| Re: Glad I bought Try the Onkyo TX-SR804. Cost around 650$ and does all that. I just plugged mine in yesterday and it works fine for going from component to HDMI and pulling the audio from the HDMI link.
The optical SPDIF issue is just one of standards. They support Dolby and DTS just fine but it can only send the signal compressed to the receiver for decoding. HDMI 1.3 allows for 7.1 uncompresed PCM.
I don't have a link to confirm this but I've been told this by many audiophiles as to why I can't get 5.1 PCM across my toslink. | |
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Go Colts
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join:2003-05-14
Fort Wayne, IN
| Re: Glad I bought said by bogey780 :The optical SPDIF issue is just one of standards. They support Dolby and DTS just fine but it can only send the signal compressed to the receiver for decoding. HDMI 1.3 allows for 7.1 uncompresed PCM. I don't have a link to confirm this but I've been told this by many audiophiles as to why I can't get 5.1 PCM across my toslink. I wonder if it's kind of like trying to get a 10mbit NIC to work at gigabit speeds. It's not that the fiber itself can't handle it, rather the receiver (or transmitter) is using a outdated technology that doesn't work fast enough.
Interesting none the less. Did not know that if that is indeed the case.
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join:2000-09-13
Hazelwood, MO
1 edit | You are incorrect. HDMI does 12bit DVI does only 10bit.
And component can and does do 1080i and it can do 1080p if the device allows it, which most don't. | |
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tc1uscg
join:2005-03-09
Saint Clair Shores, MI
| said by joako :said by tc1uscg :So, which is better, DVI or component? HDMI or component? DVI vs HDMI vs Component. First lets remove DVI, because HDMI is exactly the same signal specification as DVI + SPDIF Audio in one nice fancy cable. Now we have HDMI vs Component. Let's see. Component is analog Component cant transmit 5.1 Audio Component cant do 1080i Just because your Verizon FIOS is slow doesnt mean that fiber optics aren't better than analog DSL lines. Just because you have a device with bad A-D circuit doesnt mean the entire DVI specification is crap. nor does it make it any better. That's the point. Too many ands, if's or but's to run out and scrap all that hardware purchased over the past 2 years just because some POS gaming system is going to include it. The 360 w/Component provides just a good picture at 720P, 1080i/p as it would if it was pumping the sig over a hdmi cable. Sound? That's what the fiber cable hook up is on the back of the component cable is for. I don't any issue blasting the family room with surround sound while playing games.  | |
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maartena
Stacked.
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join:2002-05-10
Orange, CA
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| said by Jafo232 :Ok, so this $300+ one I have now is worthless? Nah. But just with every other piece of equipment you have bought and will ever buy, it will be replaced with something better/faster/smaller/bigger/ etc within about a years time.
The lifecycle of electronics is very short.
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RR Conductor
RailRoadDude
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Redwood Valley, CA | No, but your posting tag is. | |
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joako
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/dev/null | Sorry I meant to say 1080p | |
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join:2002-08-01
Orlando, FL
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Tarheel72
join:2005-12-18
Plano, TX
| Re: Glad I bought Component can transmit a 1080p signal. But if you use the add on HD-DVD drive with the xBox 360, you can only view a HD-DVD movie in 1080p via a VGA digital connection, not an analog component connection. The HDMI feature should eliminate that, giving you another option. So technically I think the reference here was to the ability of the component connection on the 360 to deliver a 1080p signal from the HD-DVD when viewing an encrypted movie. Games don't matter, a 1080p game will transfer just fine over component.
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Wolfie00
My dog is an elitist
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join:2005-03-12
| Re: Glad I bought said by Tarheel72 :Component can transmit a 1080p signal. But if you use the add on HD-DVD drive with the xBox 360, you can only view a HD-DVD movie in 1080p via a VGA digital connection, not an analog component connection. The HDMI feature should eliminate that, giving you another option. So technically I think the reference here was to the ability of the component connection on the 360 to deliver a 1080p signal from the HD-DVD when viewing an encrypted movie. Games don't matter, a 1080p game will transfer just fine over component. VGA is analog, not digital. And it doesn't support HDCP, so any HD-DVD movie that had the ICT flag enabled (there aren't any yet and probably won't be for some time) would be downsampled to SD quality over anything other than HDMI. In the meantime component on the Xbox360 can do anything that HDMI can do. Absent the ICT issue, HDMI just provides more convenient connectivity. It's theoretically superior to component but I doubt anyone could see any difference. | |
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join:2005-11-10
Asheville, NC | i know if they want me to keep buying games they better give me a good trade in value or its playstation 3 for me. | |
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Doh Nut
@execulink.com
| For playing games, no, the Elite isn't that much of an upgrade. It doesn't affect what games you can play.
If you mean in terms of resale value? Don't count on auctioning it on Ebay for thousands over sticker. Of course, it's been a long while since you could do that anyways. | |
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joako
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| Of course I agree, Component IS fine for most anything you'd want to do on anything but todays most high-end displays. But you cant deny that HDMI is the better etandard. It does help that HDMI is a much newer standard. Also pardon my ignorance of HDMI, my statements were correct but they apply to HDMI 1.0 specification (where its straight up copy of DVI specs for video) but the newever HDMI revisions have added to it.
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IanR
join:2001-03-22
Madison, NJ | Pass on the elephant WHen MS decides to integrate the HD Player and go with the 65 nm chipset and go with Wireless then maybe they have somethging worth buying.
In summary: What a waste of time this is. IMHO of course. | |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27
·Verizon FIOS
| Re: Pass on the elephant Why have an embedded HD drive when no one knows if HD -BR will be choice? MS is rather cautious here and the USB route works quite well.
And last I priced, it was cheaper to buy the lower priced PS3 (BluRay) and 360 with external HD-DVD drive than to buy two separate BluRay/HD-DVD video players or a combination player.
No one has confirmed these do not have the 65nm chips, and they did say they run cooler.
You can add wifi if you need it. But one thing over the PS3, it includes HDMI AND Component out cables. This was lame of Sony not to include with the PS3, and I know as I have the 60GB model...what a rip.  | |
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join:2004-03-19
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SRFireside
join:2001-01-19
Houston, TX | It is confirmed that the Elite has no hardware upgrades. It uses the same chips and the same power supply. I have seen nothing that says the new machines will run cooler in their announcement. | |
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elios
join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO
·Mediacom
| overpriced... 180 bucks for a 120GB HDD is MS insane? and what if you already shelled out for a 360 with the 20GB
400+180 is getting dangerously close to a PS3
but then i guess thats ok becouse we wont see price cuts on the 20GB 360 now till sony cuts the PS3 which wont be for another year alest
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join:2004-09-15
Birmingham, AL
1 edit | Re: overpriced... But if you don't have one and was planning on getting one anyway (like myself) then its not 400 + 180. It's 399 + 81 right? It only sucks for those who already have the system. The 120 gig HD will cost them 180. But for those who don't have the system its only an extra 80 bucks for the larger HD and the HDMI.
Edit for price change. | |
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join:2005-11-15
Springfield, MO | Re: overpriced... i was hoping for a price drop on the 20GB sku and thats not going to happen now thats what pissed about
and that 180 bucks for a 120GB HDD is way over priced | |
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join:2004-09-15
Birmingham, AL
| Re: overpriced... Gotcha. And I believe you are correct on that no price drop. I read somewhere that a price drop may happen around Christmas (of course this is just net talk) so who knows. But I was also disappointed in the fact that the new chip would not be present in this revision. And I doubt if a HD DVD will ever be included since reading how MS will not rule out a Blu-Ray DVD add on. Well maybe to get rid of any surplus HD drives if they become the betamax of today. lol | |
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Speedy8
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join:2002-08-22
Alliance, OH
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| said by Antonlm :But if you don't have one and was planning on getting one anyway (like myself) then its not 400 + 180. It's 399 + 81 right? It only sucks for those who already have the system. The 120 gig HD will cost them 180. But for those who don't have the system its only an extra 80 bucks for the larger HD and the HDMI. Edit for price change. I'd think that most of the hardcore people who would actually buy the elite probably already have a Premium system. | |
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join:2006-01-07
Stow, MA
| said by elios :180 bucks for a 120GB HDD is MS insane? and what if you already shelled out for a 360 with the 20GB 400+180 is getting dangerously close to a PS3 but then i guess thats ok becouse we wont see price cuts on the 20GB 360 now till sony cuts the PS3 which wont be for another year alest and i so wanted a 360 this summer oh well Yeah and that doesn't even include a HDDVD. At least the PS3 has the blue ray and it's only $499.00 to $599.00... Microsoft should have release the model to begin with, now people have to blow money to get HDMI and 120gig.. Crazy.. | |
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Ry
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join:2001-03-26
New Jersey
| No 65nm CPU ?!?! I was going to buy a 360 a few months ago then I heard about this system so I decided to wait. I'm disappointed because the Elite doesn't have the new 65nm chip that runs cooler! That was the main reason why I waited! Oh well I'll still wait one more month and buy the Elite because I'd prefer to have the HDMI connection for my HDTV.
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Bagnon
Snoogans
join:2000-11-19
St Catharines, ON | Re: No 65nm CPU ?!?! I agree. The HDMI connection is exactly the reason why I will be buying the elite.
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TechieZero
Tools Are Using Me
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Wesley Chapel, FL | Why do ppl care about 65nm as long as the damn thing works? | |
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cableties
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join:2005-01-27 | Re: No 65nm CPU ?!?! Would run faster and cooler. And hopefully, quieter. | |
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Ry
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join:2001-03-26
New Jersey
| Re: No 65nm CPU ?!?! Exactly! The chips are supposed to run a lot cooler. I would think if the chip runs a lot cooler the fans wouldn't need to run so hard which would then make the system a bit quieter.
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nixen
Rockin' the Boxen
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join:2002-10-04
Alexandria, VA
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| Re: No 65nm CPU ?!?! said by Ry :Exactly! The chips are supposed to run a lot cooler. I would think if the chip runs a lot cooler the fans wouldn't need to run so hard which would then make the system a bit quieter. You can hear your system?? I'm usually piping the sound through my stereo when I'm playing. The only thin you can hear is the game (reverberating through the house).
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Won't be long Before some one gets a 120 gig drive off the rack , dumps the firmware and makes an easy kit to make any of the ms used hard drives easily replaceable in the current 20 gig shell.
My question is has any one ever tried to store their content on an external usb hard drive ? Does it work ?
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join:2004-03-19
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The following file-systems are supported on Mass Storage devices in XBMC:
* FATX
* FAT12 (read-only)
* FAT16 (read-only)
o Including VFAT support for long file-names.
* FAT32 (read-only)
Everything I read says that FATX is limited to 4GB.
I can't wait till the PS3's terabyte drive comes to America. | |
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join:2006-06-17
Calgary, AB
| Re: Won't be long you're gonna be waiting a -long- time. Without using a laptop->desktop adapter(and in turn making it look ugly with the drive hanging out the back), you won't be getting a 1TB drive into the PS3. It uses laptop 2.5" HDDs, not desktop 3.5" HDDs. And as it is, they're only up to 500GB 2.5" HDDs, compared to the 750GB 3.5". | |
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join:2004-03-19
Here | Re: Won't be long There was a story a while back. Someone made an adapter cable to connect it to a standalone Terabyte RAID box. It looked fairly decent. | |
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join:2001-08-05
Orange Park, FL
| When I first got my 360 about a year ago, I tried to use a 64-meg flash drive for game saves or downloads from Live. The drive wasn't available as an option to save to. I then dug out my usb-to-IDE adapter and hooked up a 40-gig drive to one of the controller/USB ports. Because the drive had mp3's and pictures on it, it was available as a "portable device" and could play its music during my games, do slide shows of the pics, etc. But when it came time to pick where to save a game or download, that device is not an option. This is clearly something that is specifically written into the code to be unavailable.
And I consider myself a regular visitor to "the usual places" and have yet to discover anything that would allow me to use a larger hard drive. I would be very interested in being proven wrong.
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inteller
Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | well I guess i'll still be waiting. Assholes. Everyone was expecting a price drop and MS decides to play to the fan boys who will snatch up this overpriced TURD and they will of course call it a success.
Drop the price on the Premium SKUs you bastards. | |
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juilinsandar
Texas Gooner
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join:2000-07-17
San Benito, TX | Re: well I guess i'll still be waiting. Isn't this one supposed to take the place of the premium sku? | |
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join:2004-05-26
Milford, MA | MS only released the Elite for a limited time, after that they will be white with 65n internal part and the Premium Skus will be eliminated. | |
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Razgriz
Pandora rocks
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join:2005-05-31
Fayetteville, NC
clubs: | Damn Well I was hoping for a price drop on the Premium. Looks like I'll be waiting. Hopefully the 65nm CPU's will be introduced soon. No way am I paying $479, that's almost as much as a PS3! | |
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ReVeLaTeD
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join:2001-11-10
San Diego, CA
| As a Premium owner I won't be buying this.
I have the 360 Premium and HDD drive. I like the HDMI *but* it's not required, because I use VGA and and quite happy with it, as it offers flexibility in resolutions. I reserve the HDMI port for my PS3 and it works very well - the PS3 is almost portable with only the power cable and HDMI cable. 360 will never be as long as it requires that brick, so why freak out over Elite?
Integrated HD-DVD: this would have been a stupid move. I know some people want to streamline it, but MS would have been seen as "copying" PS3, or inferior to it when it's not. Having it separate still gives people a choice - and in fact, HD-DVD isn't even being advertised hardly, yet movies are coming out, drives are coming out...consumers have choices, it's not like it's being forced on people.
SO for me I'll be doing two things.
1: buy the 120 hard drive separately. If it's $100-$150 it's a steal. Anything higher and I will definitely be waiting; it's not like I really NEED it or anything.
2: buy a black case mod.
3: buy three black controller mods.
While I'm at it, change that light to indigo or something. BAM! Except for HDMI, I ended up with the exact same thing with my existing system which, by the way, has all my existing save files and content on it. | |
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karlmarx
join:2006-09-18
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| Why not buy a premodded x-box 360 Hell, you can get a premodded x-box 360 with a 500GB drive for only $450.00. And you can play backups on it. Why in the world would anyone want to 'spend' an extra 30.00, when you can download all the XBOX-360 games from your favorite torrent sites with a pre-modded xbox-360?
I'm so confused..
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join:2001-12-31
San Rafael, CA
| Re: Why not buy a premodded x-box 360 Modding the xbox voids any warranty it might have and also could cause problems playing on Xbox Live sometime in the future if they decided to crack down on modded xboxes. Also, playing backups of games you don't own is illegal. What's there to be confused about? Some people just like to live by the rules and not break laws. You must also be confused about why people still buy CD's when you can just pirate MP3's for free online I bet?  | |
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stet
Volitar Prime
join:2002-03-08
Warren, MI
| Re: 360 elite Nothing in the links that you listed would provide me an HDMI output from a current version 360.
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| HDMI, but no HD-DVD Isn't that like buying condoms, but not having a date?
Also how can something be "elite" it still doesn't have built in wi-fi. MS likes to tout XBOX Live, yet don't you have to have an online connection to get that? So it's either moving the 360 and your tv closer to the modem or traipsing a long Ethernet wire across the room or spend $100 for the XBOX wi-fi antenna which SHOULD be part of the system in the first place like it is on the PS3. | |
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join:2005-06-14
North Baltimore, OH
·RoadRunner Cable
| Re: HDMI, but no HD-DVD I just got a couple months ago and if I would of known this was coming I would have waited!!!!!!!!!! Black looks SOOOOOO Much better on a 360 than white and I said that when I bought the $400 white one, they still should of intergrated the HD-DVD drive in my opinion. | |
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Same Old Jets
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