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join:2005-02-27
Brooklyn, NY | Re: My vote is for Microsoft - a US company Siemens and Microsoft are both public companies, so couldn't either or both really be owned by the Saudis or whoever, depending on which nationals own the most shares? | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: My vote is for Microsoft - a US company Yes but the most workers for MS are actually in the US. So its more like we want our company who employs our people to be the solution for our needs.
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one wall to block them all
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join:2001-03-29
The Lou
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| Re: My vote is for Microsoft - a US company said by BosstonesOwn  :Yes but the most workers for MS are actually in the US. So its more like we want our company who employs our people to be the solution for our needs. So, if it doesn't work out, you can blame "our company who employs our people"?
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| said by BosstonesOwn :Yes but the most workers for MS are actually in the US.
Who told you this? Don't believe everything for strangers...  Check out this: » www.microsoft.com/presspass/pres···nPR.mspx quote:
So its more like we want our company who employs our people to be the solution for our needs.
Are you living in India or England or Ireland or Central Europe, perhaps in China? 
Because that's where most of the folks are elocated, I think (MS and mfrs like Xbox at Flextronics etc).
FYI Asia Lab (located in Beijing, Communist China) is resposible for video processing hardware IP research: »research.microsoft.com/cdp/ | |
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join:2002-12-15
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| Re: My vote is for Microsoft - a US company Redmond washington houses the biggest MS offices. And they employ the most workers for MS in one place. You people read way to much into things.
MS pays to have stuff manufactured for them , they don't own those places.
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Re: My vote is for Microsoft - a US company said by BosstonesOwn :Redmond washington houses the biggest MS offices. And they employ the most workers for MS in one place. You people read way to much into things. MS pays to have stuff manufactured for them , they don't own those places. Too bad it'c completely irrelevant when it comes to this question. Next time at least read the post you're answering to... 
Redmond has nothing to do with this, as I've linked the responsibilities of the Asian MS Research Lab. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
clubs: | Re: My vote is for Microsoft - a US company ahh dude read the OP. I commented on his comment. You sent links to stuff after reading to much into it. Get some brains.
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join:2004-06-25
Carrollton, TX | Just so it works... I will agree that it would be nice to have success with a US company... I am 100% behind that... but I also want a solution that works. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
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| Re: Just so it works... I tend to agree with your statement...
which ever is the best overall for 'us'.
I.e. from and end user standpoint
- best picture and sound quality
- best amount of features available
- most solid standard (I personally don't care for WMV, and would prefer a non-proprietary technology)
- lowest over all cost (not bait and switch)
Personally on that note, I'd prefer a technology based locally as well (and yes, I'd consider Canada local ) | |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
·T-Mobile US
| Solution that works It's funny to see when people from our most capitalistic country prefer nationalism over free competition... oh sweet irony...
My vote goes for the best overall solution - a solution that works. | |
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join:2005-11-30 | Failure is not an option Building a business strategy that counts on someone elses lack of execution is not a good idea.
Sounds like marketing guys at Siemens trying to find a way to save their jobs. | |
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Take me down to the paradise city
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join:2003-07-20
Jamestown, NC
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| Re: Failure is not an option said by ajschmitt :Building a business strategy that counts on someone elses lack of execution is not a good idea. Sounds like marketing guys at Siemens trying to find a way to save their jobs. I was thinking the exact same thing.
"Instead of trying to innovate and build a better solution, our business model entails hoping their product is worse than ours."
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Sociopaths always win.
join:2003-12-08
Tulsa, OK | hey it has worked for Linux hasn't it...?
oh wait...maybe not.
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join:2005-05-22
Monroe, MI | No Hope for IPTV via Telcos Just not enough bandwidth. They can't provision service to a large segment of their market for internet access, let alone the ten megabits Microsoft's IPTV needs. | |
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join:2001-08-05
Orange Park, FL | Re: No Hope for IPTV via Telcos Hell, I can't get Bellsouth to upgrade me from 3meg to 6meg. How are they gonna give me the needed bandwidth for IPTV?
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@wi.charter | Re: No Hope for IPTV via Telcos Hell, The Sbc idiots are re-wiring pole to pole in my neighboorhood today with...........Copper! Frigging idiots!
What a total waste of money. They can stick project lightspeed in the bahoonies! | |
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join:2003-02-06
Union, NJ | whats so special? I don't understand, what is so special about the Microsoft product? Sounds like IPTV can be acomplished using existing standards and/or open source. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: whats so special? MS offers some of the best compression software for muxing and demuxing video. Especially for HD content which many want.
MS has thrown money hand over fist at this to get a foot hold here and I think thier dominance will not falter. They don't use the WMV codecs but a standard based on it.
Take a look on their hd codec pages. its a solid contender. And the reason using standards and or open source is not viable is because some one has to be there to be blamed.
Sorry but that is the reason. If some thing goes wrong with open source do you blame Ted from cubicle 4 on the 3rd floor? No you blame Joe from Indonesia who prolly doesn't have a cubicle and you can't fire so he has no motivation to work harder on it.
Plus most open source is gpled. Ask dishnetwork how thier linux receiver division is going. They had to modify all the encryption code which ended up costing them more then thier previous firmware has cost them in the past. And they used linux as the core.
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: whats so special? said by BosstonesOwn :MS offers some of the best compression software for muxing and demuxing video. Especially for HD content which many want. MS has thrown money hand over fist at this to get a foot hold here and I think thier dominance will not falter. They don't use the WMV codecs but a standard based on it. Take a look on their hd codec pages. its a solid contender. And the reason using standards and or open source is not viable is because some one has to be there to be blamed. Sorry but that is the reason. If some thing goes wrong with open source do you blame Ted from cubicle 4 on the 3rd floor? No you blame Joe from Indonesia who prolly doesn't have a cubicle and you can't fire so he has no motivation to work harder on it. Plus most open source is gpled. Ask dishnetwork how thier linux receiver division is going. They had to modify all the encryption code which ended up costing them more then thier previous firmware has cost them in the past. And they used linux as the core. Speaking of codecs: Xvid became just as good as WMVHD w/ lower hw requirements and already better in SD resolution. Ah and it's FREE.
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join:2002-12-15
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| Re: whats so special? Yes and its an open standard with no one responsible. That is the point. A company will not use something when they can not hold some one or something responsible for any mistakes. That is life.
Who will secure the codecs with drm ? And if the drm is broken who pays for damages ? all sorts of corporate questions for corporate minds. People don't think enough about those questions when they think open source has the solution.
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join:2001-02-14
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2 edits | Re: whats so special? said by BosstonesOwn :Yes and its an open standard with no one responsible. That is the point. You really don't know too much about Xvid and/or open systems, right? Otherwise you wouldn't spread these utter misinformation voluntarily...
Open developments, usually reacts much faster than any MS team when there's a need for that, let alone the fact that open source and 'no one responsible' has nothing to do with each other, as everybody (perhaps except you) knows it.(Sun, Red Hat etc etc, don't look any ufrther...)
And MS is always a lot slower than anybody else when it comes to patches, updates and such, let alone its "responsibility" helped nothing in the last decade but of course, he collected a lot of money for it.
I'm using Windows systems since mid-90s (few hundred workstations), I like them but stop spreading this utter MS-propaganda BS. Where did you hear this dezinfo, some MS crash course?
A company will not use something when they can not hold some one or something responsible for any mistakes. That is life.
Really? Perhaps you should talk to IBM, Sun, Novell, Red Hat because they are all open source development and according to your superior knowledge they are making big-big mistakes, so I'm sure as hell they will be more than excited to hear about your revolutionary idea...
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Who will secure the codecs with drm ?
Umm perhaps the one who wants to use it with DRM? If a Tivo can do it alone, I guess others can do it as well...
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And if the drm is broken who pays for damages ?
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WTF are you talking about?
When was the last time when anybody paid a single cent due to their hacked drm? Do you really think anybody else than DVD Jon was sued over CSS hack?
You have clearly weird stories, sorry...
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all sorts of corporate questions for corporate minds.
No, it's all sort of clueless questions in clueless minds. I work in coporate environment for long years now yet I know how things work - as usually eveyrbody otherwise it wouldn't work or we would be on the street instead of my warm office. If I don't know something and there's no rules for that, I set up rules on my own. It's that simple.
People WITHOUT KNOWLEDGE don't think enough about those questions when they think open source has the solution.
I fixed it for you. 
PS: I agree actually on ONE THING with you and that is the GPL licensing problem. GPL is simply waaaay too 'free'- it doesn't really help these kind of developments, I agree. | |
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join:2002-12-15
Everett, MA
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| Re: whats so special? First off im well versed in both Ms and OSS development.
I have worked in many corporate environments. I have worked every where from banks to cell phone providers. So don't give me this Holier then though crap.
Why is it they use MS products ? Because if something goes wrong they can point a finger. Get a real clue as to how the world works outside of your office. Maybe they fit your needs but they don't fit most of Americas needs. And don't give me pro MS BS.
Second Ms and the banking community work hand in hand and patches for any problems they find are rolled in a matter of hours. Just like OSS , but wait you not working in these environments wouldn't know that all you know is OSS and anti MS.
Sun , redhat , Ibm etc. are the end providers. They develop the parts of the Os needed to run certain apps. If you read a contract they are not responsible for any losses incurred because of their OS , which is really basically bs saying we are not responsible for anything that the oss group fuxed up. They all have the same wording in their contracts. Read over them sometime.
I have worked for cisco ibm cabletron novell sun and many other servicing and repairing their equipment as well as helping develop OSS network drivers. And it is always worded in the contracts. That is one of the things I point out every time I walk into their buildings and they ask the questions about losses incurred due to down time.
Tivo drm was not self developed, it was bought from another developer before they started.
Don't know if you know this but I have gotten many opportunities to play with drm in labs with verizon and a couple other companies. When drm is hacked on a provider they have a piracy policy to protect them from the system being completely compromised and you getting free tv for life. In the policy the provider can go to the drm supplier and request new access systems or new drm systems. You can't do that if you keep it all in house. Then who is responsible for the crack? the workers who are promptly fired 90 % of the time. Your oss thinking is leaving you behind the times. You think dvd hacking was a great example as to breaking drm ? If that is so I won't even bother to stain your image of the OSS world with the many problems that have happened due to this issue.
Clueless questions eh ? Talk to the CFO when he has to explain to stock holders why subscribers have teetered off but the piracy % has gone threw the roof and he comes head hunting for a reason why ! You can't make your own rules when it comes to answering questions for the stock holders or your company is in the hole.
People again don't think past their "world" when they answer a question. Zealots come and go and anti MS bs spew always. OSS is not the end all for all the worlds problems. Theres a reason you go with the big boys and MS is a big boy here. They are years ahead of most because they throw money at it to pull in the good minds from all over.
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join:2002-01-10
Virginia Beach, VA
| Hope it works MSFT has a very long history of over promising and under delivering. Large scale rollouts have been delayed again and again in the smaller European carriers who were early adopters to the technology. Clearly not ready for prime time. MSFT has thrown a whole lot of money and has little to show for it. It is how the money was spent, not the total amount. Until I see Verizon running it out to 5 million homes (in pure IP - not the legacy/hybrid system they are using now), call me a skeptic. MSFT is one size fits all - Windows on any platform even though it might not be the best operating system. Do you really need the Windows core to run a set-top box? No. | |
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join:2001-02-14
Brooklyn, NY
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| Re: Hope it works said by griff1013 :MSFT has a very long history of over promising and under delivering. Large scale rollouts have been delayed again and again in the smaller European carriers who were early adopters to the technology. Clearly not ready for prime time. MSFT has thrown a whole lot of money and has little to show for it. It is how the money was spent, not the total amount. Until I see Verizon running it out to 5 million homes (in pure IP - not the legacy/hybrid system they are using now), call me a skeptic. MSFT is one size fits all - Windows on any platform even though it might not be the best operating system. Do you really need the Windows core to run a set-top box? No. Pretty much my thoughts. The early adopters of MS video-over-IP really burned themselves, MS Server's performance was pathetic (I heard something like first gen was as bad as few connections per server IIRC). Supposedly it's much better now but we have yet to see one single succesful en-masse deployment with several months of service without severe glitches. | |
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Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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| I agree - MS core on a set top box - ugh!
hopefully it comes with a reset switch for the BSOD.
While I agree that an OS core is somewhat overkill for a settop device, it makes development/upgrade hardware flexibility a non-issue, and ability for upgrades
On the downside - bloat (non-issue, I guess), hacks (on many levels), spyware, waste, money for M$, poor quality, proprietary technology | |
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Microsoft's BellTV Stranglehold
