 wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | Why is this an acceptable course of action? If private business is not willing / capable of offering services, then why is it even permissible for them to sue for the right to keep doing nothing?
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 | | | Re: Why is this an acceptable course of action? [sarcasm on]Oh, because the free market will fix everything! You can't have the people actually doing what they want/need to do in their community! Where's the outrage??[/sarcasm off]
You know why. Because the armchair quarterbacks of this country think they know what's best for everyone - including the people in this town. You can't go around having the local government actually taking care of its citizens...oh no, they'd rather insist that these folks move to an area where access is already available.
And guess what? If this project fails, then the bonds involved will have to be paid. If the people voted for it, they know the risks. Should it not be up to the residents of this place as to whether that's an acceptable risk? | |
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| |  pnh102Reptiles Are Cuddly And PrettyPremium
join:2002-05-02
Mount Airy, MD | Re: Why is this an acceptable course of action? said by satellite68:And guess what? If this project fails, then the bonds involved will have to be paid. If the people voted for it, they know the risks. Should it not be up to the residents of this place as to whether that's an acceptable risk? Even if that means the residents who are not interested in this service will be made to cough up the money to pay for it?
If the people who wanted this service put forth their own private effort without the involvement of the government, then that risk would be theirs alone. It isn't practical to burden the taxpayers with even more obligations considering all of the existing responsibilities tasked unto local governments in the first place.
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join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | Re: Why is this an acceptable course of action? said by pnh102:Even if that means the residents who are not interested in this service will be made to cough up the money to pay for it? I think the appropriate comment is the same one I hear all the time for those who want service and do not have it. Move to a place that does not have people wanting this type of service.
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| | | wentlancYou Can't Fix Dumb..
join:2003-07-30
Maineville, OH | Are you saying that the vast majority of people do not want reliable communications, video, and internet?
Sure, some people may not like it. Much like subsidizing costs for schools across all taxpayers. Some people, who don't have children, oppose having to pay taxes for schools. So yes, some residents may have to pay whether they like it or not.
How about you build your own road, so we don't have to pay for yours. If the minority opposes, then the minority sucks it up.
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| Re: Why is this an acceptable course of action? said by wentlanc:Are you saying that the vast majority of people do not want reliable communications, video, and internet? ..... cw no, he is saying that businesses should be able to do whatever they want, including pre-emptive lawsuits to crush any possible competition.
In pnh102's view, the government is no good for anything (including down to the local, town level) and should not be allowed to do anything to interfere with or disrupt anything a business wants to do.
free market rules and all that - we can see how well that's working for the world. | |
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join:2002-04-05
Jamaica, NY
kudos:1 | Re: Why is this an acceptable course of action? said by nasadude:free market rules and all that - we can see how well that's working for the world. Free market is awesome. I will start a business that catches the poor and minorities and processes them into bio-diesel (hey americans are fat! time for lipid recovery) and pet food. | |
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join:2000-12-01
New York, NY
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| pnh 102 do you feel the same way about us taxpayers bailing out banks and hedgefunds? let the private sector fend for themselves? they are using middle class tax payer money to bail these institution out. we all know by now rich folk don't pay taxes. so why is it wrong for a town of middle income earners wanting to join the 21st century to use initiative to do so when the private sector which you endlessly champion will not provide the services needed for this town to remain economically viable? it's their town... socialism for the affluent is good right but not regular folk. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | said by pnh102:said by satellite68:And guess what? If this project fails, then the bonds involved will have to be paid. If the people voted for it, they know the risks. Should it not be up to the residents of this place as to whether that's an acceptable risk? Even if that means the residents who are not interested in this service will be made to cough up the money to pay for it? If the people who wanted this service put forth their own private effort without the involvement of the government, then that risk would be theirs alone. It isn't practical to burden the taxpayers with even more obligations considering all of the existing responsibilities tasked unto local governments in the first place. Please. EVERYTHING your local government spend smoney on has peole paying for something they feel is "unecessary" now you wan to make exceptions. TDS sucks. PERIOD. I have afrind thatlives a few miles outside of town. For some reason TDS is his local phone company and even though they offer DSL in the town just west of him in the next county they REFUSE to bring it out to him. They'll gladly offer him crapy dial-up for $22 a month of course he also needs to pay in excess of $25 for a landline he has ZERO use for. So nearly $50 a month for dial-up? Um yeah right. That's TDS.
If the project fails the polticians will be voted out of office the point is does the community have the RIGHT to decide whether they ant to fund this type or thing or not and the answer is YES. Whether or not you disagree with the community even doing the project surely you MUST agfree they should have the right to decide. In what twisted logic should BUSINESS get to decide what a the local government does. They are not elected by the people. | |
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join:2000-12-01
New York, NY | Re: Why is this an acceptable course of action? the government of a Dictatorship which is controlled by corporations.... the USA. we no longer have any rights. | |
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| | Mark HPremium
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Sterling Heights, MI | said by satellite68:And guess what? If this project fails, then the bonds involved will have to be paid. If the people voted for it, they know the risks. Should it not be up to the residents of this place as to whether that's an acceptable risk? Just keep track of those who actually voted yes for the bond, and send each individual voter a bill for their share of the bond, and keep track of them if they move out of the area. Just moving away should not relive them of their obligation to pay back their share. | |
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | if the people vote yes then that should override any and all court orders to stop building it. infact the town should build no matter what the court says and turn it on no matter what the court says if the people vote yes then its clear what the community wants.
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | the people that dont want it can leave or suck it up. the majority said yes and that is the heart of voting. i didnt want GW in office and voted as such 4 years ago, but clearly the majority wanted this.
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| Sammer
join:2005-12-22
Canonsburg, PA
2 edits | Re: Why is this an acceptable course of action?
Because our fascist federal government is now of the corporation, by the corporation and for the corporation. If you think the Obama who has never challenged his party's leaders will change that you're dreaming. | |
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RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | Taxpayer waste All because of corporate greed and politicians being bought.
We do not live in a Democracy or a Republic, the corporations rule and the politicians bow to them.
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| BF69Premium
join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN | Re: Taxpayer waste said by RayW:All because of corporate greed and politicians being bought. We do not live in a Democracy or a Republic, the corporations rule and the politicians bow to them. Then explain why the COROPORATION and the GOVERNMNET are at odds over this? | |
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| | RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | Re: Taxpayer waste said by BF69:said by RayW:All because of corporate greed and politicians being bought. We do not live in a Democracy or a Republic, the corporations rule and the politicians bow to them. Then explain why the COROPORATION and the GOVERNMNET are at odds over this? Ok, let me rephrase that since you are nit picking, UPPER LEVELS of government being bought.
The county level and down are closer to the people, the state level and up are closer to the big money. And as always with a generalization, there will be exceptions for one reason or another.
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| WTF? Bonds are paid for with taxpayer dollars. Therefore, bonds *ARE* taxpayer dollars. | |
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| | | Re: WTF? I was about to comment on that. "Bonds (not taxpayer dollars)" is the classic neocon/neolib fantasy, to make sure our children and grandchildren pay for our crap, not us. | |
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| | | | Re: WTF? The value of bonds and their interest can be paid back in numerous ways that have nothing to do with taxes. They can even be defaulted on and not paid back period.
Municipal Bonds are NOT guaranteed and they can default on them so there is no direct tie of taxes to these bonds. They are only as good as the credit worthiness of who issuing them.
So before you guys continue spouting off about something you obviously have no clue about, do a little research. | |
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join:2004-07-11
Fargo, ND | Hopefully Municipal Fiber better than Wi-Fi I hope it works better than the municipal Wi-Fi here in Moorhead, MN. | |
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| RayWPremium
join:2001-09-01
Layton, UT
kudos:1 | Re: Hopefully Municipal Fiber better than Wi-Fi said by Loker:I hope it works better than the municipal Wi-Fi here in Moorhead, MN. Should be much better, it is a fiber system and not Wi-Fi.
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| KearnstdElf WizardPremium
join:2002-01-22
Mullica Hill, NJ | the biggest general issue with muni wifi is they try and make it somewhat free. fiber they take the Triple Play angle and run it as a service ment to make money.
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|  alchav
join:2002-05-17
Palm Desert, CA | I always thought it was a Slam Dunk, but if you really think about it, laying your own Fiber is one thing then what. Few people know anything about Broadband and Networks, especially City Officials. So I think it's more of anything a scare tactic to rustle up some Telco's or Cable Company's. Municipal Fiber sounds good, but it could end up a real headache! | |
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join:2001-10-13
Allendale, NJ
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1 edit | Reminds me of a Song in my 20's "You have to right... to fight.... for FIIIIIIIIIIIIIIBEr"
Beastie Boys.. Sorry I could not resist | |
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