Minnesotans Surprised To Learn They Have Fast Broadband Questions Ookla stats, which show different picture from Connected Nation Minneapolis and St. Paul local paper The Star Tribune this week was shocked to learn that the two cities are the eighth and first fastest U.S. cities respectively, at least based on speedtest data from speedtest firm Ookla. According to the paper, "some local experts" aren't buying Ookla's numbers, given that data collected by controversial mapping organization Connected Nation suggests much slower regional speeds: The local experts suspect that Ookla's survey of residential Internet speeds is flawed because it accidentally included some high-capacity corporate Internet connections, whose speeds far exceed anything available to consumers. In response, Ookla, which makes a living providing speed test information to corporations, questioned the low speeds found by the state task force. Connected Nation you'll recall got the inside track on Minnesota broadband mapping money, and was accused of using their political influence to bypass open public discussion and beat out the University of Minnesota for state funds. If their data undershoots Ookla's -- it's ironic, given they're usually criticized for being little more than an incumbent ISP (AT&T, Verizon, Comcast) policy vessel, tasked with "shining up" broadband stats to keep government regulators from imposing policies aimed at ramping up competition. Of course as the paper discovers as the story's written, Comcast's 50 Mbps service with "Powerboost" was launched in this market back in 2008, and even traditionally-slow Qwest started offering a 40 Mbps VDSL product in portions of the market in response in 2009 (which as the paper's commenters note, accounts for the upward-trending Ookla speed data on the city and state level).
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 ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 4 edits | Here is Ookla data on St.Paul, Minneapolis & Minnesota
St.Paul: »www.netindex.com/download/4,504/Saint-Paul/
Minneapolis: »www.netindex.com/download/4,313/Minneapolis/
It is even better in some other Minnesota cities Minnesota: »www.netindex.com/download/3,166/Minnesota/
There are 28 other locations in Minnesota higher than Minneapolis & 19 higher than St.Paul, but they don't qualify as cities(which Ookla says must have 75,000 unique IPs to qualify as a city.
P.S.>> In St Paul, Charter is the lead ISP & in Minneapolis, Comcast is the leader. | |
|  holocronPremium join:2004-06-28 Minneapolis, MN | Title Is Wrong Title is misleading. St. Paul was ranked #1. NOT Minneapolis. Minneapolis is NOT St. Paul. Got it?
Trust me, the roads are all screwed up in St. Paul. No one from Minneapolis ever goes over there. | |
|  |  BlueC join:2009-11-26 Minneapolis, MN | Re: Title Is Wrong If I remember correctly, it was in the news yesterday that a sidewalk collapsed in downtown St. Paul, swallowing a pedestrian. | |
|  |  | | I'm old enough to remember when Jesse Ventura made his drunken Irish comment about St. Paul. -- "Don't argue with stupid people; they will beat you with experience." | |
|  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 1 edit | lol - St Paul and Minneapolis are going to be one in the same.. both served by Qwest and Comcast and the offerings are the same. Add in any other provider and none of them are really comparative to up the ante on faster speeds.. thus, St Paul and Mpls are one in the same in this case.
As for "getting money" for these mapping projects... give me $1,000 and I'll look up the operating ISPs in the state, call them up, ask them for their speeds and have out an Excel spread sheet in a few days.. what's so hard about this? .. I don't see the need to spend and WASTE millions of dollars to find out information that can actually be had for free.
Oh, wait...that's right, this is money spent to "stimulate the economy" right?? am I right? I also love it.. the government needs to know if it needs to "ramp up competition"... it's not the government's job to decide if IT needs to "ramp up competition".. it's job is to ensure competition CAN happen, make sure the rules are set correctly (with out asking the foxes guarding the hen house, the idiots) and get the hell out of the way and "let" competition happen.. The government doesn't make competition.. it sets the rules for competition to happen. No discussion needed. But, maybe if the government WANTS to have a "discussion" it should stop trying to fool itself and thinking it's "having a discussion" when they're only talking to the very people they should be leaving out of the "discussion".. like AT&T, Verizon, Comcast, and Time Warner.. they're already in the mix.. it's time to talk to other people.. stop the narcissism from corporate head-cases now!
I really wonder sometimes how this government can honestly operate with it's collective head up it's collective ass. | |
|  |  |  ThrowDemsOutIf you can't convince 'em, confuse 'emPremium join:2002-03-03 Mullica Hill, NJ kudos:4 | Re: Title Is Wrong said by fiberguy:lol - St Paul and Minneapolis are going to be one in the same.. both served by Qwest and Comcast and the offerings are the same. Add in any other provider and none of them are really comparative to up the ante on faster speeds.. thus, St Paul and Mpls are one in the same in this case. What about Charter? »www.netindex.com/download/4,504/Saint-Paul/
higher than Comcast in St.Paul | |
|  |  |  |  fiberguyMy views are my own.Premium join:2005-05-20 kudos:3 | Re: Title Is Wrong said by ThrowDemsOut:said by fiberguy:lol - St Paul and Minneapolis are going to be one in the same.. both served by Qwest and Comcast and the offerings are the same. Add in any other provider and none of them are really comparative to up the ante on faster speeds.. thus, St Paul and Mpls are one in the same in this case. What about Charter? » www.netindex.com/download/4,504/Saint-Paul/higher than Comcast in St.Paul Sorry to laugh at this, but that's funny. | |
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 Killa200Premium join:2005-12-02 Southeast TN | Things to consider... ... when reading about this:
Ookla's speed test system is based on the assumption that the user's public ip address is assigned to the correct city and state. For instance out of the 3 C class sub nets my local ISP has, only 1 is registered in Spring City, with the other three not even showing up in the right state... even though the ip class provider has been asked to resolve the issue. This can throw the numbers off if people are doing tests in those two cities and the ip addresses don't relate, or even if people out of the city are doing tests and their ip space is still registered to some entity in those two cities.
Connected Nation has one heck of a reputation for stretching the truth with their numbers in favor of the Incumbents. In this case that doesn't show... but with the lack of a sustainable reputation for the company, why knows how the numbers work where they have recorded them.
Best thing to do if a city is really wanting to know what is going on is to take into account both sets of numbers, and add in a touch of reality by looking into what they really have to offer within their borders... after all... they signed the agreements for these providers to be there, so they aught to know. | |
|  |  sivranBack to Opera againPremium join:2003-09-15 Arlington, TX kudos:1 Reviews:
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| Re: Things to consider... Another thing to consider is just how flat out inaccurate Ookla's speed test is at testing speed. I just tested at 20 Mbps... I'm on a 7 Meg tier. And no, I don't get any sort of powerboost.
TWC/RR doesn't even offer a tier close to that here. -- Think Outside the Fox. | |
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| Powerboost Comcast has a huge footprint in the Twin Cities because Qwest is really their only worthy competitor, and Qwest rarely knows what's even going on. Easy competition for Comcast's standards....
Regardless, these speed tests don't take into consideration of consistent throughput. Our Comcast line in the office is a 12/2 line, but shows up around 20-23mbps on speed tests.
Try to download a large file and you'll see an average of 800kb/s-1100kb/s, which translates to around 6-9mbps.
HTTP tests are skewed because Comcast allows "powerboost" to make the results look nice. Which is fine, keeps customers happy I guess. | |
|  |  | | Re: Powerboost BlueC,
That means something is consuming bandwidth when you are downloading files or SPI on your SMC gateway is enabled (which it is by default). I could take a look at it for you PM me I work in the Twin Cities market. Obviously if your connection can get 20-30Mb in PB it's capable of a steady 1500KB/s download. | |
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| Re: Powerboost SPI is disabled. That "something" that's consuming bandwidth is other users consuming bandwidth on the shared DOCSIS 3.0 node.
I don't expect the connection to maintain 12/2 24x7. It's a $60/mo connection after all. But this whole powerboost thing that shows up on speed tests doesn't show the true performance long term.
IIRC, Comcast uses certain methods to prioritize packets over their network. So while you might see PB kick in on a speed test, a sustained throughput will more than likely see decreased priority. You really can't expect 200+ users sharing a node to all receive full throughput over an extended period of time. | |
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 | | Extreme 50 I live in the Minneapolis area, subscribe to Comcast's Extreme 50, and regularly get 61 Mbps Speedtest results due to Powerboost. I am not surprised that we have fast broadband here, as we have *some* measure of ISP competition versus the rest of the nation.
In my neighborhood I have access to Qwest, Comcast, Mediacom, and Earthlink Broadband (over Comcast's infrastructure). I feel that Comcast is definitely the only competent ISP in town, but at least they try to compete.
The Star Trib article seems to be written for tards that don't actually know anything about the state of network affairs in the Twin Cities.
After all, the geeks like me are the ones that use Speedtest.net daily to see that we're not getting screwed out of our bandwidth that costs $181.52 a month (mine). I think that might be skewing the numbers towards people that care vs. the people that have never visited the site, like my mother, and that old lady at Super Target. | |
|  |  BlueC join:2009-11-26 Minneapolis, MN | Re: Extreme 50 Unfortunately, if you really were a geek, you'd know to use jperf instead of the unreliable HTTP tests like speedtest.net. :\ | |
|  |  |  talz13 join:2006-03-15 Avon Lake, OH | Re: Extreme 50 I use jperf to test my home network, but how would you use it to test WAN bandwidth? I assume you have to connect to a WAN server running jperf in server mode? | |
|  |  |  | | Hey now, I like the shiny dials that Speedtest provides. They make me feel special. | |
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 | | hmm These tests mean nothing because its base don how many people test their speed. NYc has both optimum and fios which both have really high speeds 100/15 and 50/20 up | |
|  kadosHail OdinPremium join:2003-03-14 Watertown, SD kudos:1 | midwest has great internet I'm in south dakota, and I top that. In fact, every PC I work on, I do a speedtest, and they all run pretty much the same. I'm with Midcontinent internet, and pay for the 20/2 tier. This is Watertown
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|  |  kadosHail OdinPremium join:2003-03-14 Watertown, SD kudos:1 | nice I think I would get wood with downloads like that. I can get the MidcoMax service for like $60 a month that is 50/5. I know one person who has it, he's a huge online gamer, and he constantly has 55-60 download speeds -- Bla Bla Bla | |
|  | | channahon il avg speed is 26 channahon il avg speed is 26 | |
|  jhboricuaExMod 2000-01 join:2000-06-06 Minneapolis, MN | I know why the Twin Cities came ranked so high. Ookla didn't include Qwest's pathetic offerings in their study.  | |
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| Re: I know why the Twin Cities came ranked so high. said by jhboricua:Ookla didn't include Qwest's pathetic offerings in their study. Haha! I have to agree here. Qwest may tout 40 Meg but I am in a close suburb here in New Hope and the best they offer here is 1.5 Meg. Pathetic to say the least. I am more than happy with Comcast because I always get fast speeds 
Thank god I don't live in or around St. Paul because Charter sucks. | |
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