 | | Could be interesting Big River Telephone mentioned in the Telephony Online online article is based out of the city i live in. Hopefully this will mean good things for everyone involved and the money wont be wasted. | |
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New York, NY | What defines a "cluster"? I think depending on what the define as a cluster will determine how much this will cost. A cluster here in NYC is buildings right on top of one another. A cluster in a more spread out area (even a city like LA) could easily cover a few square miles. This seems a bit problematic to me. | |
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 | | | Re: What defines a "cluster"? As opposed to just giving it to your incumbent telco / cable buddies to add to their coffers? | |
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New York, NY | Re: What defines a "cluster"? said by digitalfreak:As opposed to just giving it to your incumbent telco / cable buddies to add to their coffers? HUH? What does that even mean, and how was it a response to my post? 
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kudos:4 | said by wifi4milez:I think depending on what the define as a cluster will determine how much this will cost. This cluster plan sounds very much like AT&T's U-Verse system. Or in other words, fiber to the node(FTTN). Run fiber to a neighborhood and then use existing copper to all the individual residences.
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| me1212
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Pleasant Hill, MO | Whatever defines it, there are about 50 houses near me in a 4 or 5 mi area, so I hope it is about 4 or 5mi. | |
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Chesterfield, MO | Re: What defines a "cluster"? Hmmm. That might stretch the definition of a cluster. Even if that was an acceptable cluster, where does the fiber terminate? The geographic center of the 4-5 mile area? What good does that do those dwellings without additional investment in last-mile infrastructure? Even if they terminated the fiber near some sort of POTS line interconnect, there still needs to be additional hardware to traverse the remaining 10,000 feet and bring some kind of connection to the dwellings.
This smells like a way to prompt AT&T to do what it should have had done by now -- run more fiber out from the CO to eliminate the distance limitations of their copper plant. | |
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Columbia, MO | Re: Missouri all ready has a internet backbone. This backbone is non-profit government, schools, libraries back bone.
For the guy in the SE part of the state. I do know the suggested 2000+ miles of fiber does have significant presense in the SE. However, this is all in a proposal stage to get funds. Money and implementation wouldn't be for at least 18 mo, minimum. Private end user connection improvement is probably marginal at best. | |
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| MoreNet is never done. They just keep upgrading and adding on to it.
Back when I was in college, the backbone was OC3's. Now it's 10Gbps.
»merry.netsys.more.net/cgi-bin/Backbone.py
As stated, this is solely for government/educational/research use. That's why the usage is so low, too.
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| | | | Re: Missouri all ready has a internet backbone. I know its for government, schools, etc. But wouldn't it be nice if everyone in Missouri could all "connect" to each other w/o leaving the state? I would love to game with my friends in Rolla and have a ~5ms ping to them. | |
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| While you're right about the specific use of the network, the usage is currently very low because of K-12 and many colleges not being in (mass) session. Also the NGN project is just being completed which includes the 10Gbps backbone. Just last year the network operated on a 2Gbps backbone. It also wasn't until recently that MOREnet went with Level3 as a provider. Before that it was ATT/Qwest. Status of the NGN project can be found here: »www.more.net/network/ngn/status.html.
As an employee of a MOREnet customer site I will agree that strides have been made over the past few years concerning network capacity. My site has been fiber fed for 4 years now, and we're considered rural. It would surprise many people to learn how much bandwidth can be consumed legitimately during a typical school/college day. | |
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| | Expect A Barrage As I'm sure I don't need to tell anyone, expect a barrage of lobbying and grandstanding from incumbents who will do anything and everything to not see new competition form. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Expect A Barrage Unless the incumbents are the private part of the partnership. Think about what companies have the resources, skills, and engineering staffs capable of laying infrastructure across a state the size of MO in the next four years. | |
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Pleasant Hill, MO | We will have a barrage, but I don't think it will work. MO is one of the bottom 3 wired states in America and its not like its just one city they will do, but a lot of the state so.
And a lot of the kc area is an ATT/TW dou, so more competition may help with that. | |
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4 edits | Re: Expect A Barrage The map looks like their connecting the counties together within missouri, is that correct? Is this the only map? | |
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1 edit | Sounds nice, but... It sounds nice, but it appears to be tailored to meeting the requirements of the funding and not necessarily the needs of their people. After round one is complete how many new residential connections will be available? It appears, zero. Their goal appears to be in assisting existing providers in linking up there network - but, aren't they linked already? | |
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kudos:2 | Re: Sounds nice, but... said by AVonGauss:After round one is complete how many new residential connections will be available? It appears, zero. Apparently so.
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5. Does this project include building into areas that are already served?
A. No. This project is to create a 'middle mile' network to interconnect existing last-mile solutions, reducing the cost of delivery, with the expectation that the last-mile provider can utilize the savings to improve and/or expand the delivery area.
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kudos:1 | smart Smart idea. If the local govt is going to deploy a local govt WAN, might as run a fiber pair to each MDU/large building. 1 drop is a microscopic drop in the bucket, and private sector customers subsidize the free customers (local govt). Rather than have a fiber optic cable with 30 or 100 spare fibers run from a school to the NOC passing 100s or 1000s of properties on the way, why not make drops for highly profitable (MDU/office) properties along the way?
The articles don't describe if this is an open access network (Utopia style) or not (only one consumer ISP on the network). Also it doesn't describe if the drops will be SLA >$1000/mo corporate internet, or prosumer/small business ($80-$200/mo) or consumer ($30-$70). Since its a limited number, and it feeds local govt, the network will probably be SLA style in maintenance, so all customers pay for the SLA uptime. Thats means the >$1000/mo prices. Level 3, Cogent, and XO must be gleeful at using the network. | |
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kudos:2 | Re: smart said by patcat88:The articles don't describe if this is an open access network (Utopia style) or not (only one consumer ISP on the network). 12. What does "Open Access" mean?
A. The private partner(s) must sell services on the proposed network to anyone at the same costs and under the same terms. The private partner cannot discriminate between competitors and non-competitors seeking to utilize the proposed network. | |
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1 edit | government lies eh they probably just going to wire their own buildings anyway....
like the city of West Sacramento here- 3 years ago they(mayor and city council) put out some front page story in the local paper that they were going to provide free wi-fi in the City Hall and all along a 2-3 mile stretch of the main street(one block either side they said)-...and when i tried to log on with a brand new laptop i couldnt get any signal so i sent an email to the city's tech dept and the guy just flat out lied to me- said it must be my computer....three laptops (and a Nokia 800 and a Canary Hotspotter) later still cant get signal anywhere more than 50 ft away from City Hall- which was their intent all along, lie to the public, promise them something when what you really want to do is provide wireless for govt employees.... | |
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