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FFH
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re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

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More than half (52 percent) of all U.S. Consumers surveyed say Internet service is their home's most important utility, according to the first in a series of tech consumer research surveys
Then more than half of consumers are morons. Let them go a week without electricity or water and see if they have the same stupid opinion.
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meeeeeeeeee

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Re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

said by FFH:

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More than half (52 percent) of all U.S. Consumers surveyed say Internet service is their home's most important utility, according to the first in a series of tech consumer research surveys
Then more than half of consumers are morons. Let them go a week without electricity or water and see if they have the same stupid opinion.

Electricity, Water, Food, Heat they can live months without. Take away their Facebook and You-Tube and they'll die within an hour. Sad isn't it?
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Re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

said by meeeeeeeeee:

said by FFH:

quote:
More than half (52 percent) of all U.S. Consumers surveyed say Internet service is their home's most important utility, according to the first in a series of tech consumer research surveys
Then more than half of consumers are morons. Let them go a week without electricity or water and see if they have the same stupid opinion.

Electricity, Water, Food, Heat they can live months without. Take away their Facebook and You-Tube and they'll die within an hour. Sad isn't it?

They'll be forced to ... GASP .... communicate with others in the house by actually speaking to them!

meeeeeeeeee

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Newburgh, NY

Re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

The HORROR!!!
xirian
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Re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

said by meeeeeeeeee:

The HORROR!!!

Try talking to the people in my house, it really is a horror.

meeeeeeeeee

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Newburgh, NY

Re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

I feel ya... That's why I threw them all out Happiness rules on THIS side of the Hudson lol.

skeechan
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I was going to post the exact same thing. People are dumb.

88615298
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Ironic the bashers here are posting from....wait for it.... the internet. And post here EVERY FUCKING DAY. Who are the losers?

meeeeeeeeee

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Newburgh, NY

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Re: re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

said by 88615298:

Ironic the bashers here are posting from....wait for it.... the internet. And post here EVERY F***ING DAY. Who are the losers?

And if it's NOT here, I don't get the shakes and go into a meltdown. WE KNOW Who the losers are. By the way, most losers can't seem to communicate without foul language, have you ever noticed that?
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Re: re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

LOL. No kidding. Dumb post of the day award. The losers are the ones that think their Internet service is more important than water and electricity.
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
The internet is important but I think electricity or maybe gas, is more important. During a big ice storm in 2006 or 2007, forget exactly which year, we lost power for 3 days. After the ice destroyed the power infrastructure, the temps dropped into the teens and single digits. I managed to keep the house comfortable (90+ in the basement, 70+ on the first floor and 55-60 on the second floor) with a natural-gas fireplace that did not require power. If not for that fireplace, we would have had to winter-proof and evacuate the house. I used the propane gas grill on the deck to cook.

Observations:

1) I was never able to break the habit of walking into a room at dusk and trying the light switch before remembering there's no electricity.
2) Used an inverter from the car battery to periodically watch news reports on a small TV.
3) The water heater was also natural gas so we still had hot water. It was nice to take regular showers throughout the ordeal.
4) Since it was cold outside, I transferred everything in the freezers to coolers on the deck.
5) My work had power so I still went to work each day. Mom and the kids stayed home and it was clear they were stir crazy by the time I arrived home.

The Internet wasn't really missed. Without gas, we would have been doomed. If the gas went out and we still had electricity, it would have been even easier. In another house the furnace's draft inducement motor died. I was able to keep the house toasty by using the oven. I'm sure an oven isn't cost effective when it comes to heating a house but it did a marvelous job.

I think water would be inconvenient but perhaps mostly from a cleaning/hygiene perspective. It's inconvenient but you can fill the toilet tank and still flush it. If you have a big enough container, you can also pour water directly in the bowl and "flush" it.
Kearnstd
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I would say electric is the most important of all if you have a well and water is the most important if you have city water.

Mainly because if on a well you need the power to pump the water, But if you have city water and it is completely a gravity system it will function without power at the customer location.
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Re: re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

Sewers may be gravity but city water is pump pressurized, at least in my area.
silbaco
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Without electricity you have no internet unless you use your cell phone or a UPS or a laptop connected to dial-up. After the battery dies you will again have no internet. So considering the internet is dependent upon electricity, would that not make electricity more important? And you can't live very long without water.

The problem is we have people who have not ever lived without water and electricity for more than a matter hours or simply do not remember. Being rural, if I lose electricity I lose everything. Internet, water, and heat. People are growing too dependent on everything always working and apparently have no concept of what happens when things go out for extended periods of time. And are really not prepared for anything. I am not really a dooms day person, but I do strongly believe you need to prepared because stuff does happen. The typical emergency kit with expired drugs, insufficient food and water for a single person, a crank flashlight or traditional flashlight with leaked batteries that probably won't work, dependency on a working cell phone, and simply the wrong items won't do the trick. People's only sense of survival these days is finding an alternative method to accessing Facebook. How pathetic we have become.
xirian
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said by FFH:

quote:
More than half (52 percent) of all U.S. Consumers surveyed say Internet service is their home's most important utility, according to the first in a series of tech consumer research surveys
Then more than half of consumers are morons. Let them go a week without electricity or water and see if they have the same stupid opinion.

Let them try to use the internet without electricity... During a storm we went without power for days a few years back. I was going a bit insane with boredom without power or internet, but I had water and a gas hot water heater and being able to take a shower was much better than being able to go on facebook.

Snakeoil
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Agreed. I have to be careful on how I word my response, some are sensitive.

I think the reason why they want Broadband classed as a utility is so that they can get tax payer money. The government would fund builds into rural areas, and those unable to pay for it, would get it.
Sorta like how they are able to get gas/electric/telephone service now.

I am old enough to remember what it was like not to have a cell phone on your hip. It was great, because people had to wait to contact you.
People actually read entire books, not blog snippets.

Broadband isn't a need, it's a want.*

*I understand some work from home, take college courses online. But it's still a want for the majority of us.
Just like the Ipod, Ipad, Segway, there is no real need for them, but marketed just right and a want was created.
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Re: re: Most Important Home Utility Is Internet Service

I've been in the business of computers and networking for WELL over 30 years. Started with mainframes... had email from the mid-late 70's when people didn't know what a PC (or a computer) was (they hadn't been invented yet). I worked for the company that was contracted to host ARPANET because we had the 1st and 2nd largest networks in the world back then, the 2nd was a backup and test network for the 1st. NEVER saw Al Gore, who "Invented" the Internet there.

Technology has been my "hobby" since I was young and I found out I could make a very good living from "Playing", so that's what I've done all my life. To me it was fun.

It seems, we've grown totally dependent on these toys we've developed and forgotten what "WORK" really is. Yes, I ENJOYED my work. It was fun, in the grand scheme of things, but there where many times I arrived at the office wondering IF I really wanted to put the key in that door one more time. Some times just weren't fun anymore for one reason or another.

There have been MANY times that I've found myself separated for long periods of time from my beloved technology and I survived, and prospered. It's just a tool, one of many. There are SO many things more important. As a nation, we seem to have forgotten. We're all about "things", "toys", "money". I really regret my small part in getting US here. We used to have long, moral discussions about "What IF" what we developed was miss-used. Seems that has come to be. The WORST has come to pass.

Can you live alone? Ask yourself that seriously. If the answer is no... YOU'RE in for a world of hurt.
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n2jtx

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Water!

I could live a week without utility provided electricity (I have a generator) but without water, it would be tough. Human's lived tens of thousands of years without electricity but no civilization lasted very long when the water dried up.
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rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO

Re: Water!

Perhaps it's a technicality but you aren't really living WITHOUT electricity. I'm sure most folks don't have a generator and even if they did, may not have considered that electricity is required for Internet.

We would have to see the survey question and understand the demographics of those who answered to understand why most folks believe they need the Internet above all else.
Wilsdom

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Amazon sells water.
silbaco
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I finally have a generator too. Mainly because I don't have water without electricity.

Metatron2008
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I was a boy scout.

We went camping, lived without electricity, had to drink from running streams, used outhouses, etc.

I've also had rifle/gun training, I could hunt for food. So I'd agree, the most important utility is the internet... followed very closely with indoor plumbing (esp. after having to use an outhouse, ugggghhhh)

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Re: I was a boy scout.

I've lived in a really small unincorporated town where you needed communication. If there was no water, you needed a way to contact those that were on the water board. Email or messaging would have been ideal. Same for power. You needed to contact service.

We used to run out of water. Had to haul trash cans full from the creek to flush the toilet. Could boil for washing, and bought or begged drinking water from friends elsewhere.
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
So are the devices that use the Internet all battery/solar/wind powered? Are you chopping down trees to build a fire and create steam-powered electricity?

Shooting a rifle or shotgun at paper targets in boyscout camp is a lot different than hunting for food. A clean kill that doesn't puncture the animal's intestines is more difficult than you think.

Do the scouts even offer a high adventure camp where firearms are allowed for hunting and they teach you how to properly clean and cook prey so you don't get sick? Somehow I doubt their insurance policies allow firearms outside of a controlled shooting range.

I know they teach fishing but I'm quite certain all three of my boys (scouts) do not know to properly clean a fish either.

Metatron2008
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Re: I was a boy scout.

No, I learned how to fire a gun from other sources. My brother was once a rifle competition champion for one.

I also learned cpr, from red cross, as well as such things as how to get venom out if someone gets bitten by a snake.

And my gear isn't powered by clean energy. If everything went down however, the only thing I'd truely care about is the internet.

Metatron2008
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Re: I was a boy scout.

And speaking of shotguns or rifles, a shotgun is a poor choice if you are going hunting (And plan to cook later I should add). A bow and arrow is a much better choice for a weapon for actual hunting if you are planning to cook the food later. If you can aim good you can give a quick precise kill without a huge bang. It's how the indians killed deer anyway.

And yes, I've cleaned fish as well as deer.
silbaco
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The question is, do you have a stream and an outhouse nearby to use? Using them is not the problem, finding them is.
rradina

join:2000-08-08
Chesterfield, MO
I thought the best recourse for a venomous snake bite was to seek medical assistance and get anti-venom ASAP. Most physicians don't recommend trying to remove venom by any means as there's little evidence that it actually changes the outcome. They also don't recommend tourniquets as that often damages the affected limb by cutting off blood flow leading to the loss of the limb.

Metatron2008
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Re: I was a boy scout.

Well, some snake bites can be deadly if you don't remove the venom. And this was for training in the middle of nowhere, if you have access to a hospital most of the time cpr isn't needed either, nor do you need to work a first aid kit (And I mean more then just bandages)..
rradina

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Chesterfield, MO

Re: I was a boy scout.

And in the middle of nowhere there's Internet access, right?

Metatron2008
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Re: I was a boy scout.

I would hope so damnit
rradina

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Chesterfield, MO

Broadband Magic Bullet

I guess I have to go down as being in the camp that believes my tax dollars should not go to pay for teenage surfing.

I don't mind using tax dollars to bring a municipal broadband option to an under served area but just like a lot of folks disagree with the extent of social welfare, I disagree with the extent of corporate welfare. I don't feel like being a tax-incentive whore to a large profitable corporation just so they can build a bigger monopoly and meter service like it's a rare metal.

I have no idea how well it would work but it would be interesting to have a fully tax-supported infrastructure over which multiple content providers compete for service. It just seems like an utter waste to maintain copper, multiple fiber/coax and multiple wireless towers when we only need one.

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The article is very misleading. It states, "Home automation has, until recently, been out of the price range of the average consumer...", then goes on to have an orgasm over a 3 pack of light bulbs that sell for $200, with extra bulbs at $60 a pop. Sorry, but an X10 system can be set up for far less money and work with the bulbs you already own and use. This article is nothing but a puff piece for Philips and Apple. Of course, Apple people will pay any amount for something sold in those stores and will consider it "innovative" and "magical", even when it isn't.
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