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Net Neutrality debate crosses the Pond

Oh look it's Tiscali complaining...

This is the ISP that shapes the crap out of P2P pretty much 24x7 and has been known for throttling people's connections to ISDN speed for daring to use 350MB in a week.

Ah Carphone Warehouse. Another company shaping the hell out of their customers for using relatively little, simply because they charge so little for their service that to do anything else isn't viable.

Not sure what BT's problem is, but I'm sure it's nothing at all to do with their recent launch of a VoD product with catchup services which would potentially lose out to the BBC. Nah not at all.

To put these comments into context the regulator in the UK holds wholesale prices for non-unbundled loops artificially high in order to 'stimulate competition', and due to the high number of ISPs a lot compete on price with very very little profit margin at all, hence the ridiculous restrictions on usage.

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Re: Net Neutrality debate crosses the Pond

But the BBC even admits they are causing a problem. So it isn't just ISP whining.
A senior insider at BT added: "It is certainly a live debate between ISPs [internet service providers] and the BBC. If the BBC gets the numbers it wants for iPlayer then network capacity could become an issue."

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Re: Net Neutrality debate crosses the Pond

Don't see where your quote says that the BBC admit it's causing a problem, that was a 'senior insider' at BT who said that.

Besides the services is not even at full launch yet, just ISPs scared that their average bandwidth usage will increase so those stupidly cheap deals they've been pimping to try and get business will become uneconomical and they'll probably just respond by throttling even harder, all 3 mentioned ISPs traffic shape to varyingly aggressive degrees.

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ISPs are only supposed to provide access as far as I understand. Sounds like shoddy service to me regardless of what the BBC thinks.

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$200 Billion Rip Off

I hope this exposé gets a few fires lit under somebodies butt. While I understand its the nature of Big Business... when the taxpayer is the customer being taken for a ride there has got to be a way to protect ourselves. Surely by the time they got to $1 Billion... heck even $50 Billion... somebody knew the wheels were coming off the wagon.

It seems fleecing the government is a business unto itself.
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Re: $200 Billion Rip Off

Where are the facts backing this up?
Over the decade from 1994-2004 the major telephone companies profited from higher phone rates paid by all of us, accelerated depreciation on their networks, and direct tax credits an average of $2,000 per subscriber for which the companies delivered precisely nothing in terms of service to customers. That's $200 billion with nothing to be shown for it.
This is nothing but an unsubstantiated number made up by Cringley. It bolsters his argument, but he shows no proof whatsoever.
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Re: $200 Billion Rip Off

Point taken... of course, if the only people that can substatiate it are the ones that profited most by it, chances are slim to none that will happen I guess

Thanks for the heads up. I am not aware of Cringleys track record, if there is one, but your reply suggests there is.
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said by LiamJunket See Profile :

This is nothing but an unsubstantiated number made up by Cringley. It bolsters his argument, but he shows no proof whatsoever.
He provides links... You just have to look for them. He doesn't embed them in the actual article.
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Your right. No proof.

It's probably a lot more then $200 billion.
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