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| Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons Nothing like bisaed "journalism". Jeez the author could at least ATTEMPT to look partial. I like how all these idiot( most who probably own a $200 HD-DVD "paperweight" rag on blu-ray. I could have sworn I read an article that said I the 1st quarter of 2008 blu-ray sales are up 351%.
Also totaly ignores the PS3 as a blu-ray player. Of course if you already own a PS3 you aren't going to go out and buy a stand alone player DUH. | |
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| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons said by Skeedatl  :It was up over this time last year, but sales are in the toilet over the short term. And even then, it's easy to increase 351% when you don't sell any to begin with. Players are too expensive for the moderate increase in quality of upscaled DVD. All BD managed to do for PS3 was taken Sony from 1st to 3rd in the console biz. Ah that Sony hate is strong within you. 3rd? sorry wii doesn't count. It's in competition with the PS2. You can't tell me otherwise. Even Nintendo says the wii is NOT Next-Gen. XBOX 360 had a year head start. It's already is growing obsolete. | |
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| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons Sure guy, Wii doesn't count. GC was Nintendo's PS2 whipping boy. But nice try.
It doesn't matter what YOU think is competition, it's what people are buying. And yes, despite XBOX 360 having a head start, it continues to outsell PS3 month to month unless MS has a hardware shortage like they did last month.
Sony isn't a religon, you don't have to make continuous excuses for their failures. Those were caused by poor decisions by Sony execs. I have 2 PS3's but like most people, bought them for games (too bad there aren't any good ones, especially with my GTA4 locking up, GRRRRRRRR) and looking at the poor sales of BD media, I'm in the majority.
Wonder what the Sony fanboys will say next. Blu-Ray is #1 in home video because DVD doesn't count. LOL. Yeah.
Take off the blinders and get some objectivity. | |
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join:2004-07-28
Camden, TN
| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons said by Skeedatl :Sure guy, Wii doesn't count. GC was Nintendo's PS2 whipping boy. But nice try. It doesn't matter what YOU think is competition, it's what people are buying. And yes, despite XBOX 360 having a head start, it continues to outsell PS3 month to month unless MS has a hardware shortage like they did last month. So all those retro Atari 2600s should count too? It's a game sytem isn't it? Please. Apples to Apples.
Sony isn't a religon, you don't have to make continuous excuses for their failures. Those were caused by poor decisions by Sony execs. I have 2 PS3's but like most people, bought them for games (too bad there aren't any good ones, especially with my GTA4 locking up, GRRRRRRRR) and looking at the poor sales of BD media, I'm in the majority.
Wonder what the Sony fanboys will say next. Blu-Ray is #1 in home video because DVD doesn't count. LOL. Yeah.
Take off the blinders and get some objectivity.
Sorry not a fanboy. YOU however are a hater just like the guy in the article. The fact you can't even admit his article is totally baised is proof of that. I don't own a PS3 by the way I do have a XBOX 360. nice try.
Talk about blinders, it's YOU that has them. | |
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join:2008-02-13
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| Nintendo's statement was basically a hedge- the GC was essentially a failure, they'd lost sales and market share with every console they'd released since the NES, and they were trying to cover themselves if the Wii followed in its footsteps, as was expected by many analysts. (Underpowered, gimmicky, no third-parties, Nintendo is too kiddy, etc.) Nevertheless, they never said it wasn't "next-gen" (you must have a really weird definition of that term), but that they didn't see it as being in the same market as the PS3 and Xbox 360.
There are no mystical market divisions in the video game business anyway- the Wii competes with the PS2, sure- and the PS3, the Xbox 360, the PSP, Nintendo's own DS... each has advantages and disadvantages, and many people own multiple systems...
Of course, the system I play most is my Sega Genesis CDX  | |
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| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons Of course there are market divisions in the VG business. These companies release these consoles and handhelds in response to one another. Just because the Wii isn't 1080P doesn't make it not a competitor in the TV top console business.
What determines competition is what products people consider when they buy. If there was no Wii, would there be more PS3's sold? Absolutely. If there was no DS sold, would there be more PS3's sold? Unlikely.
People, not fanboys determine what is competition and when it comes to parents going into Best Buy considering a console, the 3 products in their heads are Wii, 360 and PS3 (and PS2 if they don't already have one).
So while Nintendo may explain away lower graphics capability in exchange for revolutionary controls and a much lower price, it doesn't make the Wii any less of a competitor to Microsoft and Sony's flagship consoles in the marketplace.
Wii is a direct competitor to the PS3 and 360 by virtue of the fact they take sales from them. Doesn't matter what the specs are. And yes, if the Atari VCS were still on the market and was stealing sales from the PS3, of course it would be a competitor. But my guess is no one would buy a VCS INSTEAD of a PS3 like people buy Wii INSTEAD of PS3. | |
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| said by EPS :Nintendo's statement was basically a hedge- the GC was essentially a failure, they'd lost sales and market share with every console they'd released since the NES, and they were trying to cover themselves if the Wii followed in its footsteps, as was expected by many analysts. (Underpowered, gimmicky, no third-parties, Nintendo is too kiddy, etc.) Nevertheless, they never said it wasn't "next-gen" (you must have a really weird definition of that term), Using the same technology as a sytam that came out in 2000 certainly isn't "next-gen" in my book.
Iwata: Wii Is Not Next Gen
Iwata is the President of Nintendo. By the way
»www.n4g.com/News-936.aspx
but that they didn't see it as being in the same market as the PS3 and Xbox 360. Exactly which is why it irks me when people try to compare them to the 360 and PS3.
There are no mystical market divisions in the video game business anyway there should be. The PSP and DS can be compared to each other. To compare either to a XBOX 360, Wii or PS3 or PS2 is ludicris. apples and oranges. Since computers play games how come computer sales aren't counted in the stats? WHY because it wouldn't make sense. | |
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Hingham, MA | Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons I'm thinking of the market here, not technology. When someone is looking to buy a game system, do you really think them buying a Wii has no effect on whether they buy a PS3 or an Xbox? | |
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| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons said by EPS :I'm thinking of the market here, not technology. When someone is looking to buy a game system, do you really think them buying a Wii has no effect on whether they buy a PS3 or an Xbox? I can't help people are dumb. If the Wii fanboys statement of "graphics aren't everything" is in fact true then why not get a PS2 which is HALF the price of a Wii, has over 1500 games out and most are under $25. Why spend the extra money? For a gimmicky controller? That's a HUGE turn off for me and many others I've spoken too.
Also as it was said PSP and DS sales are counted in the same group as the others. Now really is someone looking to get a portable game system going to be considering a console or vice versa? Does the DS really compete with the 360? Of course not. | |
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| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons Why buy any modern system when you can get a Genesis/NES?SNES/Etc. for practically pennies, and get tons of good games? The Wii isn't your cup of tea, fine, but that doesn't mean you can't put it in the same category.
And I spend a lot of time playing DS games even at home, when I could be using a console- if there was no DS, would I be perhaps be using my main system, buying more games, etc? | |
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| Biased or not, the guy has a point about the prices of the Blu-Ray software. Often they're charging twice the cost of a normal DVD and most people (me included) simply don't see the benefit. I love the idea of HD video and lossless audio but not to where I'm ready to spend twice as much on every title. | |
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| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons said by Skeedatl :Sony destroying their console business to win, over the about as horrible HD-DVD format, didn't change the fact that Blu-Ray as a platform sucks serious ass. And after all the Sony fanboy hype, despite winning the format war at the cost of their console biz, sales of BD media and players are down this year. Hope it was worth going from 1st to 3rd in the game console biz dumbasses! Man you are obtuse. BR disc sales are UP not down. I'd like to see your info showing thery are down. Once again the 3rd place crap is just that crap. And even so money from blu-ray will be worth more than if the PS3 had gone the 360 and Wii route and put out gimped systems.
just admit you wasted your money on HD-DVD and you are mad. | |
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| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons said by Skeedatl :LOL, No, I wasted money on 2 PS3's and I'm mad. I'm beyond pissed with GTAIV (despite reinstalling 2X) crashing on one of my consoles and am disappointed with the poor selection of titles in general just as I am still disappointed with the PSP library. Yep, we will excuse BD problems because anyone who dares to criticize the all-perfect Sony must be doing so because they're a secret operative for Redmond who is crying over the XBOX 360's lonely HD-DVD player. There is no money for Sony in BD because people are staying away from overpriced media and Nintendo is kicking Sony's ass in the console biz. Sony must fix their buggy hardware and drop the price of players and media if BD is to have ANY hope of being successful. As I said you are a hater. I'm done talking to you since you REFUSE to look at anything objectively and with intelligence and reason. You spout OPINIONS and try to act like that are FACTS. Just like the idiot that wrote that article. I state FATCS. By the way that guy( he's British ) says Americans are stupid. I guess you agree with him on that. | |
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| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons Your excuse making for Sony isn't doing them any favors.
I objectively criticize what I see are deficiencies in these Sony products from the perspective of an OWNER. And according to you, only "haters" of Sony point out these problems. It doesn't matter who many Sony products they own, or their long history of buying Sony products. No one is ever permitted to speak ill of the ever-perfect Sony.
And yes, Americans are pretty damn stupid. You only need to see who they elect to verify that is true.
So what is next? Only "haters" can criticize Microsoft activation practices, RIAA/MPAA blackmailing, Comcast's phantom caps and traffic shaping or critique anything in the world? So be it.
I'm a 2 PS1, 3 PS2, 1 PSP and 2 PS3 Sony owner (hell I had Beta, DAT and MiniDisc too) and a proud critic of deficiencies hater.
If Sony wants to have ANY success with BD, they need to drop the prices and fix the problems. Until then, the author is absolutely correct that people will choose to stil with upscaled DVD's that provide near the same quality and a fraction of the price.
Meanwhile the quicker you fanboys, no matter what your brand loyalty is, realize there is no such thing as a perfect product, the quicker you can take off those blinders you all wear. | |
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| Re: Blu-Ray sales tank for good reasons said by Skeedatl :Meanwhile the quicker you fanboys, no matter what your brand loyalty is, realize there is no such thing as a perfect product, the quicker you can take off those blinders you all wear. Anyone else see the irony in this statement? Bash Sony "faults" yet then tell others not to get upset because every product has flaws.
I'm not sure who you are talking to because I'm certianly not a fanboy. Once again you REFUSE to admit the article is biased. You also hate America since you also REFUSE to disagree with his "Americans are stupid" rant. Until that happens I think I'll just ingore your ignorant rantings I have better things to do. Next time lsiten to LOGIC. See ya. | |
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| Re: RE: AOL eyes tie-up with MS True enough- I don't think AOL/MS is too likely (sorry, holders of TWX) because if you look at MS's letter detailing why they did not go hostile, they were very worried that Y! will sell out search to Google, which would destroy alot of Y!'s value to MS. AOL (partially owned by Google) did that years ago... | |
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